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A77927 The innocency of the Christian Quakers manifested, and the truth of their principles and doctrine cleared and defended from the loud (but false) clamours, base insinuations and wicked slanders of James Barry. / Published for the general satisfaction and benefit of all, who simply desire to know and embrace the truth. Burnyeat, John, 1631-1690.; Strettell, Amos.; Barry, James. 1688 (1688) Wing B5967; ESTC R170925 24,109 32

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find fault with that which he himself seems to advise unto In his first Paper he calls us persons who delight in brangling and stirring up the spirit of Animosity and Prejudice and men of as little Charity and Religion as those we receive our idle Stories from whether this be not more his guilt than ours we shall leave to the Lord to judge and also to men of understanding who have the knowledge of both our Practices In his second Paper he charges our Principles to be dark and uncertain but lays down no Arguments against them In his last before recited you see how he charges Quakerism as he terms it to be made up and constituted of Subtlety and judges us to be in serpentine acts and our Cause dark and rotten and likewise you may see what an Imputation of being Gods Enemies he endeavours to fasten upon us in his Application of those two Scriptures viz. Psal 17.14 and 73.12 and in the conclusion of the same Paper giving his Reason why he sent all his without date tells us he did it willingly having seriously consider'd that a dateless Answer was at any time good enough for foolish and impertinent Stories and nonsensical Whimsies So that though he lays down no Arguments to confute our Principles yet you may see who are unbyassed and without prejudice what confidence he hath to pass sentence upon us and our Blessings to be that kind of Blessedness which is the portion of Gods Enemies and that is a sad portion Let him be as full of Envy as he can to answer it he need desire no worse for us the Lord forgive the thoughts of his heart and the words of his mouth and bring him to Repentance if he see good for from these doings of his it appears he is in the gaul of bitterness and wants Charity which is the perfecting Vertue he spares not to judge both us and our Principles as the worst of men and Principles which if he speaks truth of us then we are so indeed but he hath that yet to prove and therefore he had been wiser if he had first proved us such and then given his Judgment upon us but alas his Malice and Envy would not suffer him to stay for that lest he should be prevented for want of proof You see how he judges us to delight in brangling and stirring up the spirit of Animosity and Prejudice which is the work of evil men and our Principles dark and uncertain and therefore not of God who is Light and unchangeable and that our Religion is made up and constituted of Subtlety then not of Simplicity and our Acts Serpentine that proceeds from the wicked one and not from Christ that bruiseth the Serpents head and our Cause dark and rotten then it is not in the everlasting Light all this being once proved by him then he makes good his Application we are Enemies indeed to God and Christ But all this we do deny and leave at his door to prove if he can and until then we lay it upon him as a wicked Sentence and Judgment but this is not all though this were enough if true to make the Quakers and their Principles hated of God and good men But in his Preaching and other Discourse as well as in his said Papers he hath not spared to rail abuse and pass Judgment upon us as appears by several Witnesses one whereof * John Smith affirmed that he heard him in his publick preaching declare that the Quakers were the Spawn of the Jesuites and that the Jesuites were the Spawn of the Devil which he himself hath since owned to two of our Friends who spoke to him about it Now this false and wicked Accusation we utterly deny and therefore turn it upon himself to prove the same we having born our Testimony against them as we do against him and all others who stand up against the glorious appearance of Truth as it hath pleased God to manifest it in this day and therefore do utterly deny to be of their Off-spring Yet do desire that in his next he would make out how they are the Spawn of the Devil and we their Off-spring in that Line So let all people consider the desperate boldness harshness and hardness of this mans heart and spirit you see how in his unwholsome words he places us in the Devils Line and Off-spring and so near as his Grand-children what worse can he make of us or in what state that 's more dreadful can he place us Sure in his Judgment we are far separated from God. Doubtless he accounts us of the reprobate number that God never had Mercy for since he believes there are such It is also evidenced unto us that he joyned the Quakers and Muggletonians together and said Witness Thomas Smith that we did take upon us to know the Dimensions of God viz. to know his length bredth bigness form and likeness which is altogether false for we utterly deny such erroneous Principles and have born our Testimony against Muggleton It is also evidenced unto us by two Witnesses that James Barry in his preaching did affirm John Kelson Thomas Cole that the Quakers were a bewitching and blaspheming erroneous people cheating God of his Right and that they did compass Sea and Land to make one Proselite and when they had done made him twofold a child of the Devil more then before Thus it appears that he still endeavours to insense people against us as that we are from the Devil and are working for him to turn and beget to him and not to God. Those with many more such like unchristian reflections and abuses against us and our Principles are brought to us and testified to have proceeded from his mouth and therefore we offered as before that we desired a publick Meeting before the people that the Witnesses and he might come face to face and that the people might hear both sides with their Witnesses and when all was heard that we would leave it as before proposed And this we thought might be a good opportunity for him to cleer himself if innocent but it 's like he knowing in his Conscience his guilt made him fly from so reasonable an offer and shuffle as he hath done that he might escape coming to the tryal lest he should be further manifested Now as to those three Principles James Barry promised to send forth his Arguments in Print to prove the Quakers grand Hereticks in they were in our Answer to one of his said Papers sent him laid down and express'd according to the following words viz. To the first we affirm That we own the Resurrection and do believe that the Righteous shall rise and ascend into Glory and be glorified in Heaven with an eternal Reward and that the Wicked also shall rise and come to Judgment and be turned into Hell to receive an eternal Punishment But that the same fleshly Body which must undergo Death and Corruption shall rise
7.1 We look upon it thus to charge God in the work of his Spirit in Christ to be little less then Blasphemy David saith in Psal 18.30 As for God his way is perfect and in vers 32. It is God that girdeth me with strength and maketh my way perfect And Moses saith I will publish the Name of the Lord ascribe ye Greatness unto our God he is a Rock his Work is perfect for all his ways are Judgment c. Deut. 32.3 4. These bear a better and truer Testimony for God his ways and works then James Barry who will admit of no degree of Perfection in Sanctification which we always held to be the Work of God and his Spirit in Christ wrought for the Saints and in the Saints as the Prophet also testifieth Isa 26.12 Lord thou wilt ordain Peace for us for thou also hast wrought all our works in us To vindicate these our Principles or any thing writ in vindication of them by our Friends which he hath abused viz. George Fox George Whithead William Penn and Edward Burroughs we offered to give him a Meeting and with him to dispute fairly that it might be manifest whether his or ours did most agree and concur with the Testimony of holy Scriptures We offered further then to dispute with him about the Doctrine of perticular Election and Reprobation of persons or of Christs not dying for ALL Men and told him we were desirous to be informed what Gospel of glad Tidings Ministers of such a Faith and Principle had to preach to them that Christ died not for which might tend to their benefit unto Salvation or whether they never press such to believe as a duty incumbent nor ever offers Salvation unto them in the name of Christ if they do believe This we said we did look upon to be a material Principle and ought to be cleered up because it concerns so great a part of mankind And James Barry's Messenger that he sent with his Papers said that James Barry would lay down his Life in vindication of this Principle therefore we expect he should inform us what Gospel he hath to preach to them Christ died not for and what object of Faith he hath to lay down for them to believe in for Faith must have an Object or whether they do not press it as a Duty in general upon all to believe and then let us know their method of distinction who preach not the Gospel to every one for sure there can be no Gospel of glad Tidings to those Christ died not for and we know 't is the common opinion of such that they that Christ died not for are the greater number and if this Doctrine of theirs be true how can the Message of the Angel be true Luk. 2.10 And the Angel said unto them fear not for behold I bring you good tidings of great Joy which shall be unto ALL People And in the same Chapter you may see what Simeon said For mine eyes have seen thy Salvation which thou hast prepared before the face of ALL People Here he witnesseth to the general Offer of God unto ALL. And the Apostle Rom. 5.18 saith that as by the Offence of ONE Judgment came upon ALL men to Condemnation even so by the Righteousness of one the free Gift came upon ALL men unto Justification of Life And in Psal 68.18 David speaking of Christ saith Thou ascended up on high thou hast led captivity captive thou hast received Gifs for men yea for the Rebellious also that the Lord God might dwell amongst them And to this agrees the Parable of the Sower whose Seed fell some on the high way some on the thorny some on the stony and some on the good ground and also the Parable of the Talents Matt. 25.15 where it is said he gave to every one according to their several abilities but ALL did not improve as Paul saith Rom. 10. they have not all obeyed though they had heard and in 1 Tim. 2.6 you see what he saith of the Mediator who gave himself a Ransom for ALL men to be testified in due time 2 Cor. 5.14 For the Love of Christ constraineth us because we thus judge that if one died for ALL then were ALL dead and was not their Judgment right in this Heb. 2.9 But we see Jesus who was made a little lower then the Angels for the suffering of Death crowned with Glory and Honour that he by the Grace of God should taste Death for EVERY man. So you see that by the Grace of God he should taste Death for EVERY man and yet James Barry and such by their ungracious limitations would have it to be but for a few and so he goes to contradict the Scripture and so is witnessed against by that which he said should be the Standard to try every thing by and therefore is not true according to the Standard And in the 1st Epistle of John 2.2 you may see what he saith of Christ and his Death And he is the Propitiation for our Sins and not for ours only but also for the Sins of the whole world So not for theirs only but also for the Sins of the whole world And 2 Pet. 3.9 there the Apostle tells us of the long-suffering of God to us-ward not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to Repentance And the Prophet Ezekiel being of the same mind declares fully in the 18th chap that the Lord hath no pleasure in the Death of a Sinner but rather that he would repent and return Many Scriptures might be laid down to witness against this unrighteous Principle of limiting God in the universality of his Love to mankind for the rejecting of which and slighting the offers of Free Grace which has appeared to all men according to Titus 2.11 man brings destruction upon himself But James Barry's Messenger that he sent which we suppose may be an esteemed Member of his Church did charge it to be Blasphemy for any to say that man could do contrary to the Will of God and when it was offered to be proved in an hundred places of Scripture and more where the Will of God was manifest and that men did contrary to it for if it were not so we should not have sin committed for in the Scripture all sorts of Sin is forbidden After this was offered he still affirm'd it and further discoursing of what benefit the Reprobate could have by the coming of Christ he said the Devil had a benefit by it but being much desired to shew wherein he could make nothing out James Barry makes a Boast of his Hearers most of them being in a state of Grace but if they be not founded upon better Principles then these they are far from being in a state of Grace and Happiness Therefore in Charity we desire they may look to their standing and not to be settled upon such unsound Principles as James Barry the Independent Priest as he calls himself labours to