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A76286 Planes apokalypsis. Popery manifested, or, the Papist incognito made known by way of dialogue betwixt a Papist priest, Protestant gentleman, and Presbyterian divine. In two parts. Intended for the good of those that shall read it by L. B. P. Beaulieu, Luke, 1644 or 5-1723. 1673 (1673) Wing B1574B; ESTC R232440 78,493 144

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itself or at least appear most ridiculous I would fain know who told Bellarmin Poena aeterna commutatur in temporalem quando remittitur culpa That when the guilt is forgiven the eternal pain is changed into a temporal I know this was necessary to build upon the Doctrin of Indulgences and Purgatory but the Scripture that hath no such Doctrins makes no such distinctions at all Gal. 3.10 but saith in general Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things that are written in the Book of the Law to do them No commutation of the eternal into a temporal pain he that transgresseth deserves the curse of the law Ibid. v 1● But Christ hath redeemed us from that curse Wherefore there remains no more satisfactory pains to the penitent sinner God may indeed visit him still with Chastisements and temporal Judgments but who told you that it must be to make him satisfie for his sins and if it were who gave the Pope power to sell the sinner an Indulgence and so take off that punishment as he pretends to do S. Paul saith that the wages of sin is death Ro. 6.23 but he saith in another place that Christ died for us and that by that means Rom. 5.8 there remains no more wrath to those that are in Christ But admit there had been part of the punishment due to sin to be suffered here and part hereafter and that so a twofold satisfaction had been required yet to say that Christ could not satisfie for the temporal pain would be impious to say that he would not is to speak without book or rather against it Joh. 1.29 for S. John saith Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world He doth not say that he leaves part of them to be taken away by the satisfactions of Saints S. Paul also 1 Tim. 2.6 that he gave himself a ransom for all and S. Peter 1 Pet. 2.24 Rom. 8.1 that his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree and lastly that there is no condemnation to those that are in Christ In all these the satisfaction of Christ is general and there is not one place in Scripture that restrains it to one part of the punishment But to do you right you do not absolutely deny that Christ hath also yielded a satisfaction for the temporal pain only you will not have him to give it gratis the Pope must sell it and you will not have it to be sufficient of itself but your own and the Saints must be added to it Whereas it is written Act. 4.12 That there is no salvation in any other and that he bore our griefs and carried our sorrows Isa 53.4 5. that he was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities and that God laid on him the iniquity of us all Nothing like that is said of any man but of them all it is written Gal. 6.5 That every one shall bear his own burthen and that we shall appear before the judgment-seat of Christ that every one may receive according to what he hath done not according to what S. Francis hath suffered for him But pray tell us some more of the care of your Church for her necessitous Children P. Why if by their carelesness or poverty they have not bought as many Pardons and Indulgences as would satisfie for the remaining temporal pains which the merits and bloud of Christ did not take away there is provided for them a place of Torments called Purgatory where they are to suffer until they have given full satisfaction or some of their friends have procur'd them a Release by Masses or Indulgences or some other way and after that they are received into heaven Those pains of Purgatory are most intolerable and far greater than any upon earth this Reason and Revelations and the Fathers have assur'd us of Bellar. de Purg. l. ● c. 14. Poenas purgatorii esse atrocissimas cum illis nullas poenas hujus vitae comparandas docent patres probant revelationes ratio And if any one denies Purgatory thinking that God hath so pardoned him by Christ as that there remains no temporal pains whereby he must satisfie the divine justice either in this world or in Purgatory Bellarmin and the Council of Trent condemn him to burn for ever in Hell Constanter asserimus dogma esse fidei Purgatorium Ibid. l. 1. c. 15. adeo ut qui non credit illud ad idem nunquam sit perventurus Concil Trid. S. 6. Can. 3● sed in gehenna sempiterno incendio cruciandus Si quis dixerit culpam ita remitti reatum aeternae poenae deleri ut nullus remaneat reatus poenae temporalis exsolvendae vel in hoc seculo vel in futuro Purgatorio antequam ad regna coelorum aditus patere possit Anathema sit G. Well done Holy Fathers curse them stoutly those Heretics that would put out that sacred fire which warms you and makes your Pot boil Now the cheat is complete I see your Church-men are resolv'd to have money by hook or by crook If people have wit enough as not to be persuaded to buy Indulgences while they live at least 't is hop'd that when they are dying when their Reason is weak and their fears strong that they shall be willing to part with those goods they can keep no longer to purchase a total exemption from or at least a quicker passage through those dreadful Flames which they are told will torment them God knows how long And if that should fail their surviving friends it may chance will have some pity upon their souls and buy for them all those assistances the Church can afford to help them out of their miseries and so dead or alive th●y are like to pay for that care your Church takes for their well-being But I wonder that your Clergy who have power by their Masses and Indulgences to deliver Souls out of Purgatory as fast as they please should be so hard-hearted as to let them lie there except they or their friends have paid for their deliverance And I wonder as much at your Peoples folly that they don't make a sufficient provision of Indulgences while they live for to carry their Souls straightway to Heaven being they could get more than enough by saying some Prayers or visiting certain Shrines and Churches which have an extraordinary faculty that way But what if the Scripture saith That the Souls of the Faithful when they depart out of this life do not go into a place of Torments must we needs be damn'd if we believe it before the Pope In the Revelations Rev. 14.13 Blessed are they that die in the Lord for they rest from their labours and their works follow them their own works follow them not the satisfactory works or passions of the Fryers and they rest from their labours and therefore are not in a place of
plus quam Deus praecipit multo magis potest implere praeceptum G. Very good so say the worst of our Fanatics that they are perfect and without sin yet I confess you do not fansie your people to fansie so that privilege is granted only to some choice ones and that long after they are dead and therein you act with much discretion Contr. 3. Quaest 11. as Stapleton saith Summa cum ratione introductum fuit ut Canonizatio per solum summum Pontificem fiat For some must be more than just that the Pope may have works of Supererogation to hoord up and the people must be kept from that Perfection that he may have Chap-men to buy those sacred Wares But God's Amanuenses who had none of them to sell teach quite otherwise 1 Kings 8.46 Ps 130.3 Eccl. 7.20 that There is no man that sinneth not that If God should mark iniquities not any man could stand that There is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sinneth not In all these there is not so much as one Frier excepted So the dearest Apostle of our Blessed Saviour tells us If we say that we have no sin we deceive our selves 1 Joh. 1.8 and the truth is not in us God requires the utmost of our love whatever we do out of love is due and sure what we do upon other Motives is not meritorious in that sense as you take it Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart Matt. 22.37 with all thy soul and with all thy mind And our Blessed Lord and Redeemer hath taught all Christians even the most perfect to say in their daily Offices Luk. 11.4 Forgive us our sins P. You know how the Fox that had no tail would persuade others to cut off theirs I am sure we are told Beyrling prompt mor p. 37 that you live most unchristian lives and that ye have an irreconcileable quarrel against all Good Works Therefore ye would fain persuade us that no body can attain to Perfection here and that Good Works are not meritorious But for all you can say We will believe that they are and that not only of temporal blessings but of life eternal it self and of the highest degree of glory by their own dignity Bellar. de Justif l. 5. c. 1. Ibid. c 20. Probavimus bona opera justorum vere proprie esse merita merita non cujuscunq praemii sed ipsius vitae aeternae Nos existimamus vitam aeternam tum quoad primum gradum tum quoad caeteros reddi bonis meritis filiorum Dei G. We little regard those foul aspersions you cast upon us the first and best Christians were made as vile by the Heathen as possibly you can make us neither have we any quarrel against good Works We make them absolutely necessary to salvation and we teach according to Scripture that God will reward them with eternal life but to say that they do really and properly merit it ex condigno without respect to Christ and the Promise We dare not be so presumptuous especially because of these Scriptures The wages of sin is death Ro. ● 23 and the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. It should have been according to your Doctrin And the wages of works is eternal life Ps 143.2 Enter not into judgment with thy servant for in thy sight shall no man living be justified How much less rewarded with the highest degree of eternal glory Lu 17. ●0 When ye have done all those things that are commanded you say we are unprofitable servants We have done what was our duty to do But I forget that you can do more than all that is commanded you and belike 't is that overplus that makes the Merits of Condignity S. Paul saith 1 Cor. 6.19 20. 1 Cor 4 7. Ro. ● 18 That we are not our own because we have been bought with a price And in another place What hast thou that thou didst not receive And lastly that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall he revealed in us Let any man weigh these Scriptures and see whether they favour more your absolute Merits than our Doctrin of denying our own righteousness for to rely on Gods merciful Promises in Christ for a reward to our syncere though imperfect Services and good Works P. Well if we had no Merits of our own yet we are not left destitute Oh the happiness of those that live in the lap of the Church that good Mother will let them want for nothing if a child of hers is not furnisht with meritoriousness but hath rather many sins to answer for as it is the case of a great many yet he shall not be left without help She will make over to him the satisfactions of others who have suffered more than their sins required Bellar. de Indulg l. 1. c. 2. In bonis actibus hominum justorum duplex valor five pretium assignari potest meriti videlicet satisfactionis Opus bonum qua parte meritorium est non potest alii applicari potest tamen qua satisfactorium Extat in Ecclesia thesaurus satisfactionum Christi superfluentium ad quem pertinent etiam passiones Beatae Mariae Virginis omnium aliorum Sanctorum qui plus passi sunt quam eorum peccata requirerent Satisfactiones Christo Sanciis supervacaneae applicari possunt aliis qui rei sunt luendae paenae temporalis Ibid. c. 3. Ecclesiae pastoribus auctoritas divinitus concessa est thesaurum satisfactionum dispensandi ac per hanc indulgentias concedendi Praelati Ecclesiae dispensare possunt Christi passionem tum per Sacramenta tum per Indulgentias passiones vero Sanctorum nonnisi per Indulgentias G. Pray give me leave to English it to my thinking the Doctrin is pleasant you shall see how well I relish it that is to say That the good Works of just men have a twofold value one side of them is meritorious and the other satisfactory this last may be given to others but the first may not and that in the Church there is a treasure of the superfluous satisfactions of Christ of the Blessed Virgin and all other Saints who suffered more than in justice they ought Which treasure is disposed of by the Pastors of the Church according to that authority as God hath given them to those who are guilty of temporal pains and that with a great deal of Art and Industry for the Passion of Christ is given by the Sacraments and Indulgences but the Passions of the Saints by Indulgences only I protest you are witty folks to devise such pretty things as these no wonder if you will not be tied to the written Word when you are so good at inventing Honest Novator were I minded only to point out all the Impertinences included in this Doctrin it would confute