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A15295 A checke or reproofe of M. Howlets vntimely shreeching in her Maiesties eares with an answeare to the reasons alleadged in a discourse therunto annexed, why Catholikes (as they are called) refuse to goe to church: vvherein (among other things) the papists traiterous and treacherous doctrine and demeanour towardes our Soueraigne and the state, is somewhat at large vpon occasion vnfolded: their diuelish pretended conscience also examined, and the foundation thereof vndermined. And lastly shevved thatit [sic] is the duety of all true Christians and subiectes to haunt publike church assemblies. Wiburn, Perceval, d. 1606. 1581 (1581) STC 25586; ESTC S119887 279,860 366

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Humble iumble such is your religious handling of the scriptures I pray you howeuer you talke of y e sense meaning shuffle vs not out the holy Ghostes wordes phrase A man when the Apostle speaketh onely of the faythfull is too general Decerne or iudge it to be vnlawfull is put into the text by your self as is not according to his cōsciēce or knowledge The next words adioyning are also a text of your own coining In y e last of the three sentēces here cited out of the fourteenth to the Romanes where finde you in doing contrary to that he best alloweth And all these corruptions be in that one place that you would cite out of S. Paule to the Romanes It is the first text yee alleadge yee geue vs but a taste therein of the forgerie we haue to looke for at your hands if we haue not good regard to you your doinges It is not for vs now adaies to receiue things from you namely the scriptures at your handes vpon your bare credit and reporte S. James his place also somewhat halteth by your citation but let this passe M. Howlet and you iumping so close together in corrupting this text of S. Paule I neede adde no more then that I haue alreadie sayd thereof but referre the reader to my answere made to him in his place whereof if you and hee haue any shape me a good defence you wil leese nothing for quoting thrise for failing the fourteenth to the Romans in your margin Matthewe Marke and Luke for one sentence of the Gospell Iohn the 15. prooueth not that you cite it for Gregorie out of whom you tooke it citeth it fitlier a great deale Actes 9. occupieth also a roome and toucheth not this sinne against the holy Ghost vnlesse the whole had beene better vnderstoode applied howeuer you would needs set vs downe those holy writers to fill vp your margin yet might you haue spared well enough your doctors your D. Thomas is twise heere called forth Gregory the Pope is adioyned to him the place alleadged out of Augustine is sufficiently answeared by the Godly and learned brother D. Fulke It is very vnfitly applied to the multitude and common sorte suche as doe things for feare c. That Augustine sheweth is properly to be applied to captaines and ringleaders but without all proofe more vnfitly yet to such as ioyne with truth and godlines though erring in conscience is that applied which pertaineth to the leaders into error schisme 〈◊〉 but the supposition must helpe although it be no reason S. Pauls doctrine speaking of meats or things in thēselues indifferēt lawful your doctrine talking of cōmunicating with the churches wherein the Gospel of Christ is preached or abstaining from the same which is simply good or euill agree as wel as light and darknes truth falshood Ye say truly that S. Paul layeth no lesse punishmēt vpon the sinne against a mans owne conscience than iudgement damnation no more doth he vpon any sinne Be it done according to the doers conscience as you single thinges or against it for that doctrine is generall The wages of sinne is death By one offence giltines vpon all to condemnation And againe iudgement of one offence vnto condemnation c. But hee dealeth more fauourably with the parties and their persons than you doe who leaue them without all hope of pardon in this world or in the worlde to come charging them to haue sinned against the holy Ghost c. S. Paule in the 14. to the Romanes chargeth not those so farre vnlesse he be racked but that by repentance they may be renued again The matter ye talke of is but an act cōmitted against a foolish cōceite or diuellish opiniō which hardly can be called conscience vnlesse yee prooue it better than hitherto God open their eyes and geue them that be entangled therein grace to leaue it I answere you I defende not their sin wickednes what euer it be neither must ye think we equal al sinnes or make no degrees therein we acknowledge some be greater worse and more hainous sinnes then other but this is not vnpardonable nor sinne against the holy Ghost that we say For your description of sinne against the holye Ghost out of D. Thomas to be against an appropriate good thing as your schooles like to speake As we are not bound to beleeue them nor you in your subtilties So in the application ye make there of vpon your owne Catholikes and to sinne committed against conscience hardly agree you with D. Thomas who maketh that sinne to be committed of certain malice onely Againe I meruaile how you that are so addict to old doctors could to follow this opinion of others leaue the expositiō of the auncient doctors herein Athanasius Hilarie Ambrose Hierom Chrisostome and Augustine whose sentences of the sinne against the holy Ghost D. Thomas reckoneth vp in his summe And if this 〈◊〉 y t yee follow be admitted the sixe kinds of sinne against the holy Ghost that D. Thomas after the M. setteth down you had neede to looke well to your selfe that you bee not 〈◊〉 charged therewith rather then set so fiercely vpon other Besides this where your D. Thomas in his golden chaine vpon the words of Christ expressely treateth of the sin against the holy Ghost And after his maner reckoneth vp the approued doctors opinions he mentioneth not that exposition that you heere set vs downe And seemeth directly to charge you in this your application therof to be a Nouatian heretike who saide that the faithfull after their fal can not rise by repentance nor attaine to the forgiuenes of their sinnes principally they which being in persecution marke this did denie the truth And this is the woorst that I am sure euen you can will or doe charge your owne Catholikes with now who you say are to be accounted ac cording to S. Paule that is vntrue damned men in this life Or that they sinne against the holy Ghost whiche to say is to playe the Nouatian heretike Moreouer D. Thomas thus reporteth there not from himselfe alone I cannot see how euen the departing from christianitie or the catholike church is sinne against the holy Ghost and reason thereof is there rendred Againe it cannot be iudged of in this life for we must dispaire of none as long as the patience of God bringeth to repentance for what if those whome vou note in any kinde of error and condemne them as most desperate men before they end this life repent and finde true life in the worlde to come with manie other thinges which out of Augustine he there reciteth whom hee also most commonly followeth These thinges be contrary to your singular opinion against your false Catholikes And yet I suppose you will admit this if not for their sake out of whom it is alleged yet for that ye take that which D. Thomas wrote as a heauenly