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A41211 An appeal to Scripture & antiquity in the questions of 1. the worship and invocation of saints and angels 2. the worship of images 3. justification by and merit of good works 4. purgatory 5. real presence and half-communion : against the Romanists / by H. Ferne ... Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1665 (1665) Wing F787; ESTC R6643 246,487 512

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affection_n of_o which_o st._n aug._n speak_v in_o his_o enchiridion_n c._n 111._o as_o we_o note_v above_o and_o to_o which_o affection_n st._n chrysost_o give_v too_o much_o scope_n as_o we_o see_v in_o the_o forementioned_a passage_n of_o prayer_n &_o oblation_n for_o such_o sinner_n but_o as_o for_o purgatory_n pain_n which_o be_v suppose_v to_o begin_v at_o death_n &_o to_o end_v before_o the_o resurrection_n he_o know_v no_o such_o pain_n as_o evident_o appear_v by_o that_o exact_a distribution_n of_o the_o several_a sort_n of_o punishment_n make_v by_o this_o father_n and_o cite_v below_o nu._n 11._o what_o we_o have_v say_v of_o some_o expression_n of_o chrysost_n apply_v prayer_n and_o relief_n to_o such_o sinner_n as_o before_o be_v describe_v may_v be_v say_v of_o that_o place_n which_o the_o romanist_n much_o urge_v out_o of_o st._n 〈◊〉_d cyril_n mist_n ●atech_n 5._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d cyril_n who_o tell_v we_o they_o pray_v simple_o for_o all_o and_o account_v 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sin_n shall_v be_v forgive_v in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v 3._o that_o if_o some_o sin_n shall_v be_v forgive_v then_o to_o they_o to_o who_o they_o shall_v be_v forgive_v there_o remain_v pain_n and_o torment_v to_o be_v suffer_v i._o for_o the_o time_n come_v of_o the_o world_n to_o come_v the_o world_n to_o come_v be_v not_o where_o put_v for_o the_o time_n between_o every_o man_n death_n and_o the_o resurrection_n for_o so_o it_o will_v be_v present_a to_o some_o and_o future_a to_o other_o but_o be_v every_o where_o seculum_fw-la futurum_fw-la which_o be_v so_o to_o every_o one_o whether_o it_o be_v take_v according_a to_o the_o jewish_a acception_n or_o the_o christian_n with_o the_o jew_n the_o world_n to_o come_v do_v sometime_o signify_v the_o time_n of_o their_o expect_a
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224_o to_o 229._o to_o show_v how_o the_o same_o thing_n may_v in_o diverse_a respect_n be_v a_o remembrance_n of_o itself_o therefore_o to_o omit_v his_o cavil_v or_o trifle_v pa._n 220_o 221._o that_o what_o our_o saviour_n do_v can_v not_o then_o be_v a_o remembrance_n for_o that_o be_v of_o thing_n past_a and_o christ_n himself_o be_v present_a and_o his_o passion_n be_v to_o come_v to_o which_o we_o brief_o say_v and_o he_o can_v deny_v it_o that_o our_o saviour_n in_o his_o first_o institution_n do_v mean_a and_o appoint_v this_o sacrament_n for_o a_o remembrance_n of_o he_o and_o therefore_o say_v do_v this_o in_o remembrance_n of_o i_o and_o for_o that_o first_o time_n it_o be_v enough_o to_o be_v the_o show_v or_o representation_n of_o his_o death_n and_o for_o ever_o after_o both_o representation_n and_o remembrance_n of_o it_o but_o both_o then_o and_o after_o the_o exhibition_n and_o communication_n of_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n to_o all_o purpose_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 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after_o his_o resurrection_n so_o must_v all_o his_o disciple_n and_o give_v this_o reason_n for_o it_o because_o the_o disciple_n be_v not_o great_a than_o his_o master_n of_o this_o common_a receptacle_n of_o soul_n till_o the_o resurrection_n speak_v lactantius_n in_o his_o 7._o book_n and_o chap._n 21._o 34._o tert._n l._n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la c._n 7._o &_o cap_z 55._o &_o contra_fw-la marc._n l._n 4._o c._n 34._o also_o tertullian_n in_o several_a place_n only_o he_o seem_v to_o allow_v martyr_n this_o prerogative_n to_o enter_v heaven_n upon_o their_o death_n as_o in_o his_o book_n d●_n anima_fw-la c._n 55._o and_o in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o resurrection_n c._n 43._o this_o be_v one_o opinion_n of_o the_o ancient_n and_o hold_v by_o many_o but_o other_o conceive_v the_o soul_n of_o just_a person_n be_v admit_v into_o heavenly_a bliss_n and_o a_o sight_n of_o god_n who_o irenaeus_n note_v in_o the_o first_o word_n of_o the_o chap._n above_o cite_v justorum_fw-la quidam_fw-la ex_fw-la his_fw-la qui_fw-la rectè_fw-la putantur_fw-la credidisse_fw-la transgrediuntur_fw-la ordinem_fw-la promotionis_fw-la justorum_fw-la some_o say_v he_o of_o those_o that_o be_v think_v to_o believe_v aright_o do_v transgress_v the_o order_n or_o degr●●s_n of_o the_o promotion_n of_o the_o just_a viz._n by_o admit_v they_o as_o he_o conceive_v too_o ha●●ily_o into_o heaven_n of_o this_o judgement_n be_v cyprian_n and_o general_o the_o father_n after_o he_o as_o we_o shall_v see_v present_o now_o as_o the_o former_a opinion_n that_o keep_v soul_n out_o of_o heaven_n till_o the_o resurrection_n can_v not_o stand_v with_o the_o doctrine_n of_o invocation_n as_o we_o note_v above_o in_o the_o ii_o sect._n so_o this_o diversity_n of_o judgement_n touch_v the_o place_n of_o soul_n after_o death_n can_v not_o consist_v with_o a_o belief_n of_o purgatory_n iii_o although_o the_o ancient_n be_v not_o agree_v upon_o the_o particular_a place_n or_o degree_n of_o bliss_n yet_o all_o hold_v 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may_v assure_v we_o that_o the_o
fire_n as_o for_o those_o father_n he_o cite_v they_o have_v another_o meaning_n cyprian_n word_n long_o purge_v with_o fire_n igne_fw-la purgari_fw-la diu_fw-la igne_fw-la be_v above_o clear_v to_o be_v speak_v in_o relation_n to_o the_o severity_n of_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n and_o penance_n in_o this_o sect._n nu_fw-la 3._o that_o which_o he_o have_v out_o of_o st._n ambrose_n speak_v no_o more_o then_o what_o the_o cardinal_n before_o have_v cite_v he_o for_o the_o fire_n of_o the_o severe_a judgement_n of_o god_n sit_fw-la cvi_fw-la jun_v emendato_fw-la not_o emendatorio_n igne_fw-la opus_fw-la non_fw-la sit_fw-la that_o which_o he_o bring_v out_o of_o st._n aug._n upon_o ps_n 37._o to_o who_o there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o the_o amend_v fire_n be_v false_o cite_v for_o it_o shall_v be_v thus_o to_o who_o be_v amend_v there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o fire_n that_o be_v the_o fire_n of_o tribulation_n which_o god_n use_v in_o this_o life_n to_o that_o purpose_n and_o of_o which_o 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