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A20940	A conference held at Paris betweene Father Gontier a Iesuite, and Doctor Du Moulin seconded by the Lady of Salignac. Together with Doctor Du Moulin his answere to Gontier his letter to the King concerning the subiect of this conference. By Peter Du Moulin Doctor of Diuinitie, and minister of the Word of God in the church of Paris. Translated according to the French copie printed in Paris.; Veritable narré de la conference entre les Sieurs Du Moulin et Gontier. English	Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658.; Gontery, Jean, 1562-1616. aut	1615 (1615)	STC 7319; ESTC S111071	14,986	30

tooke a Bible and turning himselfe towards Monsieur de Liembrune said that he would shew that vnder the old law the Church was neuer without Sacrificers Du Moul. That is nothing to the purpose we speake of the authoritie which Bishops haue to make Sacrificers vnder the new Testament Gont. Whereupon Gontier being at a stand asked for pen and inke which being brought hee falls a writing without speaking a word and then blotted out that which he had written which made the company wonder at him Du Moul s aid vnto him you gaine time and vnder the colour of writing take leisure to thinke vpon some thing to saue your selfe Gont. Laying aside his writing entreated Du Moulin to set downe his proposition in writing Du Moul. Then at his entreatie writ these words Let any man shew me out of the word of God that the Bishops of the Romish Church haue authoritie to establish Sacrificers in the Church Gont. I will proue vnto you that the Apostles were Sacrificers Du Moul. This is not the thing in question neither doth it proue that which I demaund Gont. It is sufficient if I proue that the Apostles were Priests and did offer vp sacrifices Du Moul. Since you are at a stay and that I cannot draw any proofe from you of the power that Bishops haue to establish sacrificing Priests in the Church let vs see how you proue that the Apostles were sacrificers Hereupon Gontier tooke his pen and wrote that which followes Gont. This word to Sacrifice in his primary signification imports as much as to do an holy thing but the Apostles were ordained to do an holy thing therefore the Apostles were ordained to sacrifice Du Moul. We haue nothing to doe here with Etymologies but with the sence of this word to sacrifice as it is taken in the Church of Rome to wit to offer vp really vnto God the body of Iesus Christ in a propitiatorie sacrifice for the liuing and the dead To pray vnto God is to do an holy thing yet neuerthelesse euery one that praieth is not therefore a sacrificer in this sence whereupon it followes that the conclusion is nothing to the purpose since the word to sacrifice is taken therein in another sence then we take it Gont. I haue proued that which I was to proue Du Moul. I denie it this is nothing to the purpose you tie your selues to the word so to auoide the thing Gont. I haue done enough and you haue granted what I demanded Du Moul. I do not agree with you in that and doe call the company to witnesse if there be any one here which hath hitherto heard Master Doctour speake one word to proue that Bishops haue authoritie from God to establish Sacrificers in the Church or that the Apostles were Sacrificers to sacrifice Iesus Christ Gont. Whereat all holding their tongues Gontier answered and said that Iesus Christ had said vnto his Apostles Do this and thereby commanded them to sacrifice Du Moul. I denie that to do this signifies to sacrifice Gont. This word Do is referred to his body Du Moul. Suppose it were so yet to do his body is not to sacrifice it Gont. In the 26. of Saint Mathew it is said that the bloud of Christ is shed for the remission of sinnes now where the bloud of Christ is shed there is a sacrifice and all that is auaileable to the remission of sinnes is a sacrifice Du Moul. That I denie if it were so Baptisme should be a sacrifice seeing that that also is auailable for the remission of sinnes nor is it true that wheresoeuer any bloud is shed for the remission of sin there should of necessitie be a sacrifice except this bloud be offered to God for without this it is no sacrifice Also it is requisite that this shedding of bloud be made by death but in the Eucharist you cannot shew me either that this bloud is offered vnto God or that this shedding of bloud is made by death Gont. In the 26. of Mathew it is expressely said that the bloud of Christ is and withall hee went to write this argument the bloud shed which is ioined with death is a sacrifice but the bloud shed in the sacrament is ioined with death therefore it is a sacrifice Du Moul. You take that for granted which you are to proue to wit that the bloud which you say to haue been shed in the Sacrament hath beene offered vnto God Secondly I answere that you doe fallaciously adde this same word Ioine to that which I haue said that in the 26. of Mathew it is truly said of the shedding of bloud which by nature is ioined with death But I say that when the very bloud of Christ is really shed in the Sacrament yet it is neuerthelesse not shed by death Gont. By this answere you seeme to allow of my Maior Du Moul. You speake nothing neither haue you produced any thing yet to proue that Iesus Christ hath offered his bloud to God in the Eucharist Gont. I haue proued it sufficiently I need not proue it againe Du Moul. Proue this or confesse that you cannot Gont. Gontier hereupon tooke his pen and writ as followes The bloud shed for the remission of sinnes is contained in the institution of the Eucharist in the 26. Chap. 28. verse of Saint Mathew Du Moul. This doth not enforce at all that Iesus Christ did offer his bloud vnto God in the Eucharist Gont. Hereupon after some silence and complainte of the Ladies desiring vs to conferre about some other matter at last Gontier stood vp vpon his legges and framed an argument which he would not write but Du Moulin writ it as he told it him the argument was this The bloud of Iesus Christ which is shed for the remission of sinnes must of necessitie be offered vnto God but in the institution of the Eucharist contained in 26 Chapt. 28. verse of Saint Mathew the bloud is shed for the remission of sinnes therefore it must needes be offered vnto God Du Moul. I denie that the maior proposition is alwaies true for should the very bloud of Christ Iesus be shed in that same action of the Eucharist it would not follow that it were offered vnto God for a sacrifice for it might be offered or presented to the Communicants and not vnto God It is sufficient that he hath beene offered on the crosse As for the second proposition I acknowledge that the bloud of Iesus Christ was shed but vpon the crosse Saint Mathew saith truly that the bloud of the Lord is shed but hee meanes vpon the crosse as the Romish Bible witnesseth and the very Masse which turne it in the future effundetz that the bloud of the Lord shall be shed I aske of Mr. Doctour whether he will renounce his Bible and his Masse Gont. Gontier taking pen and inke to answere blotted out part of that which Du Moulin had writ Du Moulin complained thereof and shewed it to the

if his royall vertues were not aboue al enuie and out of the danger of forgetfulnesse they must needs lose some of their lustre by being mixt with the impurenesse of their pamphlets as pearles that are wrapt in smoake neither doth he like of these seditious preachers which now preach in their Sermons before his Maiestie that we hate dominion set al kind of gouernment at nought for his Maiestie is not ignorant that this is so farre from being true that on the contrary this is the principall cause for which we are hated to wit because wee haue not taken on oath of allegeance to anie other then to the King because we hold that the Pope cannot giue or take away realmes nor dispense with subiects for the oath of fealty because wee teach that he should not haue heere anie other lawes any other iudges any other prisons then those of the King because that we shew that his realme is spoiled of siluer which passeth ouer into Italy for the paiment of first fruits dispensations absolutions matrimoniall contracts c. And that cousenage and tyrannie are established vnder the shew of religion Finallie because we complaine that the Pope makes Kings kisse his feete and tramples on their Crownes would wee but sticke to the Pope in these things hee would easilie dispense with vs for our beleefe in the Gospell or by a speciall priuiledge would permit vs to beleeue thereon in the things which were not preiudiciall to his profit Is there any one that can accuse the reformed Churches of rebellion or attempting ought against our Kings or of conspiring to blow them vp with gun-powder and yet to dare to preach this in the presence of his Maiesty which reproach the onely consideration and manie proofes that he hath had of our fidelitie doe sufficiently confute For that the Iesuites goe about to perswade him that we are rebellious or ill-minded towards him is all one as if Caiphas should defend Iesus Christ against his Apostles or as if Catiline should accuse Cicero of sedition At the end of Master Gontiers Epistle there is a discourse annexed subscribed with the name of Corbozon Mount-gommeri which was not present at the conference but saies that he heard of it at the Vicaridge of Saint Nicholas This so honorable a name of Mount-gommeri doth vnhappily come to be written vnder so base a pamphlet and I cannot beleeue that so false and ridiculous peece of stuffe should come from vnder the handes of a Gentleman of that honor as he is without doubt some paltry Iesuite composed this writing at his pleasure which comes no more neere the truth of that which past betweene vs then Ouid his Metamorphosis doth to that of the Gospell And indeed the recitall that Master Gontier hath made of our conference in his letter to the King hath nothing like vnto this but Monsieur de Corbozon is willing to honor it in couering it vnder his name as with a cloake which will scarce euer be brought him backe againe cleane It would bee time lost to go about to confute this writing for if I should conuince the Author of absurditie Master Gontier would renounce him as one that had written vpon false information and so I should haue done as good as nothing As for the defiance and threatnings of Master Gontier we neuer yet refused vpon any occasion that was offered to enter the lists vpon iust and equall termes But this people loues to set on men in corners that they may a little after publish the contrary the more freely especially when they haue one in hand to deale withall which is alreadie conuerted and which hath promised to yeeld himselfe before the combat only they make it deferre it a little till the time they haue plotted a conference Now for to iustifie this which I say to be true Master Gontier a few daies after all this adoe ill befitting the grauitie of a Doctour will not yet let mee scapeso saying that he will enter in conference with me concerning the antiquitie of our Church and I meaning to enter the lists with him haue at this time sent him a writing of which this is the substance I maintaine that M. Gontier can not shew me in the foure first ages after Christ any Church or any man which held the same religion as the Church of Rome doth at this day and for this purpose 1 He should shew me any ancient Church that celebrated the Communion without Communicants as they do ordinarily in the Church of Rome 2 That he should shew me that any ancient Church did barre the people of the Communion of the cup. 3 Or that in any ancient Church the common seruice was read in a tongue which the people vnderstood not 4 Or that any ancient Church did forbid the people to read the holy Scriptures as it is by no meanes permitted without a speciall priuiledge in the countries where the Pope is absolute Commander 5 Or that in any ancient Church there were euer made any images of God and representation of the Trinitie in stone or in painting 6 Or that in any auncient Church the people were taught to pray without vnderstanding that which they said 7 Or that any ancient Church did do seruice to the images of Creatures in kissing them in clothing them by bowing themselues downe before them and offring vp sacrifices vnto them 8 Or that any ancient Church euer beleeued that the Virgine Mary is crowned Queene of heauen and Empresse of the world as it is painted throughout all their Churches 9 Or that any ancient Church did assigne diuers offices to Saints to one ouer this Country to another ouer that to one ouer this sicknesse to another ouer that to one ouer this trade c. 10 Or that any ancient Church did euer beleeue that the Pope could giue and take away realmes and free subiects from their oath of allegeance canonize Saints dispense with vowes and promises made vnto God 11 Or that in the ancient Church the Pope by his pardons did distribute the superabundant satisfactions of the Saints for the remission of the punishment of the sinnes of others 12 Or that the Pope did then lay his pardons on one Church and not on another on one village and not on another and this sometimes for one hundred and two hundred yeares of true pardon 13 Or that the ancient Church did beleeue a Lymbus of little infants 14 Or that the ancient Church did euer adore the host which the Priest holds with diuine worship and that this is the cause why the Priest doth vse to hold vp the host in the Masse 15 Or that the bookes of the Machabees were held for Canonicall in the ancient Church 16 Or that the ancient Church did beleeue that the Bishop of Rome could not erre in the faith 17 Or that the ancient Church did beleeue that Iesus Christ by his death and suffering did indeed discharge vs from the punishment of sinne before baptisme but as for the punishment of sinne committed after baptisme he hath changed it from eternall vnto temporall and that it lies vs vpon to satisfie the iustice of God for this That Master Gontier should tell vs if in these points he will admit of the Fathers for iudges we will aske but halfe a douzen cleare passages vpon euery point FINIS * He did the like at Amiens against Monsieur Hucher being troubled to answer he sent to fetch his concordance