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A68845 The vvorlde possessed with deuils conteinyng three dialogues. 1. Of the Deuill let loose. 2. Of blacke deuils. 3. Of white deuils. And of the commyng of Iesus Christe to iudgement, a verie necessarie and comfortable discourse for these miserable and daungerous daies.; Monde à l'empire et le monde démoniacle fait par dialogues. Part 2. English. Selections Viret, Pierre, 1511-1571.; Chauncie, William. 1583 (1583) STC 24786; ESTC S119207 112,768 274

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whiche were not tormented with one wicked spirit onely but with many some likewise wer possessed and tormented with the Deuil from their childhoode and youth some other in their age some also there were whiche were not onely in greate furie and rage by reason of the Deuills whiche possessed them but also were both blinde deaffe and dūbe And touching those that were possessed thei were not all of one qualitie as we shall perceiue more at large in this place Tobie I doe not so muche demaunde of thee the exāple of those that were tormented with many euill Spirites because we haue already talked thereof in talkyng of hym that was possessed with a Legion of Deuilles Theo. Sainct Matthewe maketh not onely mention of one that was so tormented with a nomber of Deuilles but saieth that therewere twoo Although Saincte Marke and Sainct Luke make mention but of one onely for that the storie of hym was sufficient for theim to manifest that thyng that sainct Matthew minded to set forthe for the power and grace of Iesus Christ in the storie of the twoo possessed of whom he writeth To these twoo we maie adde that whiche saincte Luke writeth of Marie Sagdaline saiyng That our Sauiour Christ cast out seuen Deuills from her wherewith she was possessed Tobie What hast thou to saie of these kind of possessed namely of Mary Magdaline for there are many that vnderstand that those seuen Deuilles which our Sauiour cast out were the seuen deadly sinnes whiche had ouercome her Hast not thou heard the like Eustace Eust. Yea I haue heard our Preachers preache so whiche saie that she was a common Harlot before she was conuerted to Christ but when he cōuertrd her he droue out seuen Deuilles out of her that is to saie the seuen deadly sinnes whereunto she was subiect like a poore miserable sinner giuen ouer to all filthinesse I thinke Theophrastus will not saie the contrarie Theo. If I should shew how many kind of waies your Preachers are deceiued in this thyng and you with them I should spend to muche tyme and goe to farre frō the cheefe matter whereof we now talke wherefore I will but glaunce ouer the pointes whiche serue least to our matter Eust Wherein is it that our Preachers are deceiued and we with them Theo. First in that thei take Marie Magdaline and Marie the sister of Lazarus and Martha the sinner of whom S. Luke speaketh al for one womā where in deede thei are three seuerall women as it is easie to bee proued by the Histories of the Gospell if I had tyme to talke of it but that I will leaue till more leasure Eust What hast thou to saie more Theo. That your Doctors herein doe shew their ignoraunce in forgiuyng suche nomber of mortall sinnes as if there were but seuen Eust Why thinkest thou that there are moe Theo. Yea I saie that all sinnes are mortal of them selues for that thei deserue death euen eternall death and so remaine continually mortall to the reprobates in as muche as thei neither aske nor obtaine pardon through Iesus Christ whiche maketh them veniall to the elect of God thorow stedfast faith in him But because this is not to our matter I will wade no further in it Eust Thinkest thou then that those seuen Deuilles that were in her of their very nature and substaunce Theo. No man can denie it except he will manifestly gainesaie S. Luke and ouerthrow his meaning for he speaketh not in this place of the forgiuenesse of sinnes whiche Synners obtaine through Iesus Christe but he manifestly speaketh of the merueilous woorkes of Christe through which he not onely deliuered the possessed of the wicked Spirites whiche tormented them but also he healed many of diuers diseases infirmities sickennesses Wherefore there is no cause why thei should here take those Deuilles for the seuen deadly sinnes For if we will vnderstande hereby that our Sauiour Christ driueth Deuils out of those who he deliuereth out of their handes and withdraweth from sinne wee maie rightly saie that he woorketh many suche miracles daiely But thei are miracles in the soule whereof S. Luke speaketh no whitt in the place here alleadged but of suche miracles as were manifestly doen in the bodie it self For although the Deuill dwell in those that are subiect vnto hym through sinne neuerthelesse we do not properly call them possessed with Deuilles except thei torment their bodie or so trouble their mynde as it tourne into a furie or rage And if wee should take the Deuilles for mortall sinnes in all the possed that the Euangelistes make mention of wee could not then saie that our Sauiour Christe did cast out Deuilles of very nature and substaunce of the possessed whō he healed but only that he deliuered them frō their sinnes For there is no more reason to driue vs to take those deuils whiche possessed Marie Magdaline for sinnes then of any other so possessed Eust I perceiue well enough that I spende my tyme in waste to dispute with you For your new Diuinitie condemneth all the doctrine of our Doctors and Preachers and ye like nothyng but onely your newe opinions Theo. Our opinions are not newe neither do we condemne the doctrine of your Doctors and Preachers nor of any other but where thei are contrarie to the pure worde of God And if wee condemne any doctrine by this woorde it is not wee that condemne it but God hymself whose sentence we doe but pronounce as heretofore his Prophetes Apostles and Euangelists haue doen. Eust Seing you expoūd the holy scriptures as it pleaseth you I will let Tobie and you goe forwarde with your matter Tobie I denie not for my part but that the possessed which y e Euangelists speake of were verely possessed with Deuilles otherwise then sinners wicked and reprobate are commonly possessed with synne through which the Deuil dwelleth in thē But on the other side maie we not rightly holde the wicked and reprobate for possessed which giue them selues ouer to the deuill and doe the workes of the same For though thei shew fairer countenaunce thē those whom we properly cal possessed and shew them selues not so furious neuerthelesse thei many tymes execute strōger and horribler thynges then thei do whiche are euen holden for very possessed Theo. I doe not onely agree to that that thou hast spoken but I saie further that this sorte of possessed are muche more dangerous thē the other if a man could know them For the lesse thei are knowne the more hurt thei doe not only to other men but to their owne selues And because men can not well perceiue how the Deuil hurteth their soules by meanes of sinne God hath set forth this Image before their eyes in the persones of the possessed whiche are knowne to be suche to the ende that by thē thei might learne to know by the tyranny whiche the Deuill executeth on
the Romaines the Storke was taken to be an example of all pietie and debonairtie Toby This deuise wher of thou speakest Ierome thinketh it not too much amisse What saiest thou to it Theophraste Theo. I will tell thee mine opinion I doe consider thus with my selfe howe it should be possible that one man shoulde be faythfull to an other when as man is so trayterous so vnfaythfull and altogether so vnthankful towardes God his Creator who is both his Father and souereine lieg Lorde and Prince For howe can hee obey a mortall man who is a Rebell to the immortall GOD who hath both our lyfe and death in his hand and is the same God by whome we are liue and dye And therfore is not this a most horryble thing that man who is but a worme of the earth and no man in deede in respecte and scarse able to crawle vpon the ground should be so vnthankfull and rebellious For were it not for the hope of eternall lyfe wee might right well say that he were the most myserable of all the creatures in the world And yet he dareth him selfe alone boldly resiste al order of nature and refuse to doe his duetie wherunto al the rest of the creaturs are most obedient He boldly dareth lift vp him selfe against the Authour and Gouernour of all things who made him of the slyme of the earth and in a moment is able again to dissolue him I cannot inough meruayle when as I consider of this great pryde and arrogancy of man how he alone dareth resiste his God whome all the rest of his creatures the heauens the earth the sea the starres and planets al the elements beasts Angels and Deuils obey Toby Surely for mine owne parte I woonder at it euen as much as thou doest Theo. But thou wouldest a great deale more woonder if thou diddest more narrowly consider of the infirmitie and myserie of man wherewith hee is continuallye enuyroned and as it were almoste quite and cleane swallowed vp sithence the time of his conception and what his nature and frame is And therefore seeing we are entred into this talke me thinketh that this cōsideration and contemplation wil not be amisse for vs to debate on For the which cause I am of the opinion that wee might handle this poynt somewhat more at large if you will agree vnto me herein Howbeit I feare nothing but that we should be ouer long because there are in this behalfe many good thinges and worthy dilygent consideration Ierom. I beleeue there is none here but would be right gladde of it For it is a matter worth the handling But to the ende we might all profit the more I take it that our best way were for the present to talk of some other matter between recreate our selues a little in this faire Garden For when our mindes are alwayes occupyed about one thing it groweth yrkesome vnto vs at last although it were neuer so pleasaunt or profitable Againe we cannot so well carry away all when our mindes are surcharged with ouer great a multitude of matters and besides when wee haue no delight in that that we heare Eust Without doubt there is nothing more certaine To. I know not my maysters whether you be weary or no But for mine own part I am weary of hearing of good talke when I shall tarry all day and all night about it Theo. And I doe thinke that there is none of vs weary in this good cōpany But because we may be the fresher and followe the matter more cheerely I am contented to agree to Ierome And therefore I thinke it moste expedient that we walke a little here in this garden and looke vppon the goodly flowers which God hath created for our vse to the end that in beholding of them we may the better alwayes learn to acknowledge his great power wisdom bountie and that therby we may haue the better occasion to prayse him and yeelde him our humble and hearty thankes And then wee maye after enter againe into our matter And where wee haue heretofore spoken in generall of the disorder and confusednesse of the world and of the daunger wherein it standeth wee will also speake somewhat more in perticular of man who is the cause of all the disorder and great mischiefes that at this present reigne in the world Tob. Seeing you are all of this opinion I promise you I for my parte wyll not be against it Let vs rise therefore and get vs hence FINIS Imprinted at London at the three Cranes in the Vintree by Thomas Dawson for Iohn Perin in Paules Church yard at the signe of the Angel 1583. Commentaries of Origen vpon Iob. The cause of the greate coueteousnesse whiche now raigneth Couetousnesse in age Cice. de senect The voyage of mans life Care ●oges of a voyage Cice. de senect The vse of richesse in age The fowerth booke of Esdras Chap. 5. The stature of a man d●minished 4. Esder 14. The deuision of the ages of the worlde The old age of the miserable worlde The decrease of vertue and increase of vice A prophecie of Iesus Christ and S. Paule touchyng the laste daies Matth. 14. Luke 21. 1. Tim. 4. 2. Timo. 4. Hsiod ope dies Lib 1. Iuuenal sat 13. Lawe to honour elder● Leuit. 1● The lawe 〈◊〉 nature A taunt of the Lacedemonians to the Atheniās The dispising of fathers and mothers The siluer age Gene. 6. 7. 8. The Brasen age Gene. 4.7 Gene. 47. Psal 90. The Iron age Psal 71. The ragyng worlde like an olde ape or beare Pope Leo Clement of the house of Medicis haue giuen euill medicines to the worlde Medicines in Englishe Phisitions The worlde is frantike Esay 30. The worlde in decaie Gal. de loc affect The fable of Atlas De fac qui appar in lum Diuersities 〈◊〉 follie Horace ser Lib. 2. sat 3. ●en 7. 8. 19. ●ath 24. Thess 5. The new mel●yng of the Worlde Apoc. 12. Apoc. 〈◊〉 Punishment of Iewes Matth. 12. Exod. 13. 14. 19. 20. Psalm 78. 1. Esdras 1. Daniel 9. Rom. 10. 11. Matth. 24. Luks 21. Matth. 2. 4. The Iewes are amanifest example of the iudgemēt of God Gene. 19. Gene. 13. Stra. lib. 16. Cor. tac li. 23. The Israelites Iuda Matth. 23. The destruction of Ierusalē a figure of the ende of the worlde Matth. 24. The true Phisicke of the diseased and possessed worlde Matth. 8. 17. Marke 1. The Phisitiōs of the diseased worlde Actes 19. Psalm 65. Matth. 8. 14. Ihon. 6. The true coniuryng of Deuilles Actes 16. Psalm 116. 2. Cor. 4. Princes Courtes Psalm 59. 1. Samu. 19. Psalm 10. Micha 7. Esaie 59. Roma 3. Psalm 7. Mich. 7. A propheticall anatomie of man and of the world Esay 5● The state of the worlde The greatest daunger now a daies A deafe man in a chafe The worlde deaffe blind and possessed Matth. 12. Marke 8. The diuersitie of the possessed healed by our Sauiour Christ A Legion of