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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
death_n	mortal_a	sin_n	venial_a	6,152	5	13.8485	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A29744	The vnerring and vnerrable church, or, An answer to a sermon preached by Mr. Andrew Sall formerly a Iesuit, and now a minister of the Protestant church / written by I.S. and dedicated to His Excellency the Most Honourable Arthur Earl of Essex ...	I. S.	1675 (1675)	Wing B5022; ESTC R25301	135,435	342

prayse God for the rest of the Faithfull departed nor for the mutual comfort of the liuing in the death of our friend nor for our spiritual instruction reflecting on our own mortality at the sight of death but as this text expresly sayes for the sins of the dead that the dead may be deliuered from their sins That subtility of the Catholick Doctors alleadged by Mr Sall that God foreseeing the prayers that will be made may as a good Paymaster pay before hand is very good but is not to the purpose for allow those prayers made for the slain might haue had that effect in this passage but still returns the conclusion pretended by Bellarmin that the passage proues it was the belief and practice of the People of God and praysed by Scripture to pray for the expiation of the sins of the dead Moreouer it might and does lykely happen that some dye for whom no prayers are or will be made after death which our foreknowing God cannot reward before hand because they are not in Being nor will not if those men dye in venial sin or without hauing don sufficient pennance there must be a Purgatory for them consequently that subtility proues not the non Existence of a Purgatory Again sayes he that passage though true proues not Purgatory because those Men dyed in mortal sin wheras they were found to haue vnder their coats things consecrated to the Idols As the text relates nor is it true sayes he what Bellarmin sayes that their sin was only venial because it deserued Gods vengeance and their death as if a venial sin did not de serue that punishment Neither does Bellarmin say absolutly it was but a venial sin but that perhaps it was no more because it was committed through ignorance or though it might be mortal yet at the hour of death especially dying for so pious and glorious a cause they might haue obtained of God an act af contrition And wheras Iudas Machabaeus did not know certainly that they were guilty of Motal sin he might haue prayed for them He alleadges other considerations why prayers might be made for the dead though there were no Purgatory first for to prayse God for the rest giuen to the departed secondly for our mutual comfort in the death of our friend thirdly for our instruction to mind vs of our mortality and sayes that when in Ancient Authors wee meet prayers to be made for the dead wee must vnderstand they were made for these ends and not for the drawing of souls out of Purgatory wee confess that those considerations are very good and that they were practised by the Ancient Church as those words of the Commentaryes vpon Iob futhered on Origen relat and are still practised but wee deny that these are the onely considerations for praying for the dead but also for the remission of their sins as the former text doth euidence for their ease and deliuery from the payns they suffer after death and in the Ancient Fathers wee meet contrary to what Mr Sall auers prayers for the dead to be made for this end nothing more frequent two examples only I will produce S. Denis Disciple of S. Paul Apostle I. de Ecc. Hierar c. 7. p. 3. the venerable Bishop approaching prayes for the dead and that prayer beseecheth the Diuine Clemency that he may forgiue to the dead all the sins that through human fraylty he committed and that he may place him in the light and region of the liuing Isidorus l. 1. de off Diu c. 18. if the Catholick Church did not belieue that sins are forgiuen to the Faithfull departed it vvould neither make alms nor offer sacrifice to God for their souls This is the vnanimous Doctrin of all antiquity to all which Mr Sall will answer with Caluin Gchinus and Peter Martyr that the Ancient Fathers erred and this is all the answer wee can expect He values nothing the text out of Tobias 4. alleadged by Bellarmin yet it proues cleerly what Bellarmin pretended that it was the practice of the People of God to offer alms for the dead The words fyre and vvater sayes he in the ps 66.12 vvee passed through fyre and vvater but thou broughtest vs out into a vvealthy place signify tribulations and crosses of this lyfe and so that text proues nothing of Purgatory Bellarmin aknowledges it might be thus interpreted and in other senses but sayes Bellarmin Origen Hom. 25. in Num. and S. Ambrose ser 3. in Psal vnderstand by vvater Baptism and by fyre Purgatory And you Mr Sall should haue told vs what you thought of Origen and S. Ambrose his interpretation You will say what your Predecessors of the Reformation haue said that they erred Bellarmin brings the words of Christ Mat. 12. that a sin against the Holy Ghost shall not be pardoned in this vvorld nor in the vvorld to come And sayes that S Augustin S. Greg. Beda and S. Bernard draw from this text a consequence that some sins are pardonable in the other world nay that this was the only text wherwith S Bernard did proue Purgatory M● Sall sayes that consequence does not follow because sayeth he he taketh this reason from Peter Martyr a positiue does not follow out of a negatiue as from saying the Duke of venice is not Earl of Dublin it follows not therefore some other is Earl of Dublin See you Reader which interpretation you lyke best if you will choose to stick to Mr Sall and Peter Martyr or to S. Augustin S. Greg. Bede and S. Bernard His example is friuolous For it were a ridiculous proposition to say the Duke of Venice is not Earl of Dublin if there were not a Dublin extant wherof some one may be Earl so it were ridiculous to say this sin shall not be forgiuen in the other vvorld itself if there were not an other world where sins may be forgiuen therefore wee say that either wee must acknowledge sins to be pardonable in the other world or Christ his words to be sence less as it were a sence less assertion to say pride shall not be punished in this vvorld nor in Heauen When all the world is perswaded before hand that Heauen is no place of punishment for pride or any other vice So wee also grant that were wee to consider the letter only of the text out of the words of the Euangelist Mart. 1.25 wee ought to conclude that Ioseph knew Marie after her Chilbirth but the Scripture interpreted by the Church expounds vnto vs by seueral other texts the sence of that text not to be as the letter founds and Mary to haue remayned a Virgen continually and so you bring that text to no purpose Now Mr Sall I will proue that not only acording to the rule of Prudence but also acording to the rules of Faith and Logick the consequence of Purgatory is manifestly euinc'd out of that text Thus sayes the text He that vvill speake a vvord against the son of Man it shall be