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A40523 The fall of a great visible idol by the coming of the invisible povver, and substance In this day and time of the lambs war which is come. Wherein Christ the true light is exalted at the right hand of God, who dwells and walkes in his people which are his temple. Which doth bring down the boasting baptists that hath highly exalted themselves upon the high and dark mountains of their own imaginations, as may be known by their own principles which are herein answered with something to the simple hearted that are among them, concerning water baptism and breaking of outward bread, which these baptists hath so much idolized in the night. From a true friend unto all that loves truth in the inward parts, in true love and pitty unto the lost sheep, that they may be of the house of Israel. Joseph Fuce. Fuce, Joseph. 1659 (1659) Wing F2257A; ESTC R221567 32,174 39

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say unto you that many shall come from the East and West and shall sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Luke 16. 22. Heaven Mat. 8. ●● here Christ saith with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven and in Mat. ●● he speaketh of entering into the Kingdom and John spake of his brethren in the Kingdom Revel 1. 9. and Paul speaks of some that were come unto Mount Sion unto the City of the living God the Heavenly Jerusalem to innumerable company of Angels to the general Assembly and Church of the first born which are written in Heaven and to God the Judge of all and to the spirits of Just men made perfect Heb. 12. 22. 23. they were redeemed out of the fall up to God the Judge of all and they had received the Kingdom and were in Heaven and all that feareth the Lord truely may see the Baptists far unfit to Preach the way into the Kingdom of God seeing they are yet in the fall and Kingdom of darkness and thinking all others to be so and there they labour as may be seen by these principles of theirs to keep others in darkness and unbelief and so do not enter themselves neither would they have others to be translated into the Kingdom of the onely dear Son of God there to find rest and Peace for evermore The Baptists affirmed that no man could come into that state that Adam was created in on this side the grave Answ This is a denying Christs suffering to do the work which the Father sent him about which was to seek and to save that which was lost and to quicken man that was dead in trespasses and sins and Christ did finish the work which the Father gave him to do although the effect of the Baptists words is to deny it Now see what the Scripture saith The Son of man is come to save that which was lost Mat. 18. 11. and the Saints were saved as in 2 Tim. 1. 9. 1 Cor. 15. 2. for since by man came death by man came also the resurrection of the dead 1 Cor. 15. 21. and this the Apostles witnessed and declared unto them that had been dead in trespasses and sins on this side the grave and you hath he quickned Eph. ● ● mark for we are his workmanship created in Christ Je●●●●n●● good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them verse the 10. and so they were come out of the sin and transgression which Adam was dead in up to God again who was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself and the Law of the Spirit of life did make them free from the Law of sin and death on this side the grave and then there was no condemnation to them that were in Christ Jesus which walked not after the flesh but after the Spirit and that was on this side the grave for they could do nothing against the truth but for the truth in Christ Jesus who is the expresse Image of his Fathers Person and in him and by him was man created in Christ Jesus and the Apostle Paul said on this side the grave O death where is thy sting O grave where is thy victory the sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the Law but thanks be to God which giveth us the victory Eccl. 11. 3. through our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 15. and if victory be not received on this side the grave which these Baptists speak of it will not be at all known unto them that are cut off in their sins for where the tree falleth there it lyeth whether it be towards the North or towards the south for the time is at hand he that is unjust let him be unjust still and he which is filthy let him be filthy still he that is righteous let him be righteous still and he that is holy let him be holy still Revel 2● 11. he that can receive it let him Matthew Casfin one of the Baptists affirmed that if he were in that first state that Adam was created in he should not be mortal nor thirsty sick nor weary Answ Thou that sayest neither Abraham nor Isaac nor Peter nor Paul was redeemed from the curse nor from the fall and that no man could come into that state that Adam was created in on this side the grave thou hast manifested Zach. 5. 1. 2. thy self to be yet in the fall in sin and darknes and transgression not yet come to Adams first estate which was a living soul but under the curse which is gone forth as a fiery flying rowl and in that fallen estate thou hast exalted thy self over a people to be their Teacher who counts themselves members of the Church of Christ for how canst thou tell what thou shouldst have done that art not come to Adams first estate mark yet art intruding into those things wch thou knowest not as it appeareth by thy saying thou shouldst not be mortal thirsty sick nor weary and it is no marvel to me to see such contention and confusion among those Baptists that doth own such messengers that comes in their own name which are not redeemed out of the fall into Adams first estate but art in the will worship beguiling unstable souls through thy voluntary humility intruding into those things which thou hast not seen vainly puft up by thy fleshly mind and all may read there were such Col. 2 18. and they that are not yet hardened amongst those scattered people that were once made tender by something of God in their consciences which they knew not oh I say let them with speed return their minds again to the witness in them and that will let them see how the Lords hand is and hath been much against the Baptists since they resisted the light therefore he hath scattered them so much in their imaginations that they are divided into opinions like the Priests and therefore it is high time for all people that fear the Lord to come out from among them and wait in the light of Christ which would then appear to lead them out of darkness by the footsteps of the flock toward the rest at Noon Cant. ● ● The Baptists at that meeting affirmed that the light which we Preach whom they call Quakers they do deny and trample under foot but John Lukes at a meeting soon after appealed to the light in every ones conseience which Joseph Fuce spoke of A. Here the Baptists hath declared the very cause why they are in so much confusion errours and Popish Doctrine and lies and so full of envy and bitterness of spirit against us the people of the Lord which bears witness unto the true light which is Christ seeing that they deny the light which we Preach and trample it under foot as one of their chief Teachers said but another said he appealed to the light in every ones conscience which Joseph Fuce spake of
for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting 1 Tim. 1. 16. here the Apostle speaks of the true Christ suffering in him and first to shew it forth for a pattern mark that and Paul told the Galathians what a persecutor he had been of those that preached in the Name of Christ while he was among the professing Jews But when it pleased God who separated me from my mothers womb and called me by his gace to reveal his Son in me that I might preach him among the Heathen Gal. 1. 15 16. and Christ was in them the Hope of Glory and the Apostle said Little children of whom I travel in birth again until Christ be form●● in you Gal. 4. 12. and again the Apostle said but that with all boldness as alwayes so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body whether it be by life or by death Philip. 1. 20. and God was their Father who was above all and through all and in Eph. ●● them all and Christ was at the right hand of God in them all and Christ lived in Paul and he said The life that I now live in the flesh I live by the Faith of the Son of God Galat. 2. 20. Many more Scriptures might be brought to prove that Christ was in people whom the Father sent to be the onely Saviour of the world and that was the true Christ which was in them and they were in him as John said He is come that is true and we are in him that is true even in his Son Jesus Christ 1 John 5. 20. but these Bap●ists have denied him to be the Christ And them will he deny before his Father which is in Heaven Matth. 10 33. And so you may see how the Baptists preacheth Christ in words but now when they are tried they deny him to be come in them and also deny him in all others and now it may be said by some that are ignorant of the things of God that Christ did say unto his Disciples He would go away and come to them again and be in them and that the Apostle said He was come and was in them but yet they speak of his coming to Judgement and also of their waiting for him until he did come and all this is true I shall answer it in short for the truths sake all that did wait and watch in a readiness for his coming in them they knew his appearance in them and also the Resurrection from the dead without for he was manifest with them and revealed in them and they preached him so to come in like manner unto others and the Apostle bid them watch and wait for his coming and the Apostles themselves did meet with such and wait with them for his coming and hoped to see him appear in them in due time unto whom he had been preached and among whom they had laboured and the Apostle Paul said My little children of whom I travel in birth again until Christ be formed in you Gal. 4. 19. and so they looked for his coming into them and for his appearance even as we do now in whom he is come to rule in our hearts and the Apostles did look and we do look for his coming in the Clouds of Heaven and all his holy Angels with him at the last to Judge the secrets of men according to the everlasting Gospel and this is the Word of truth to all that can recieve it And now all you simple-hearted people which desire to know the truth concerning water-baptism and breaking of outward bread whether you have been dipt or would be dipt if you were sure God did require it of you who have thought or do think water-baptism and breaking of outward bread had been commands of Christ to his Disciples after his Resurrection and so to all believers after the Apostles decease And now in the fear of the Lord lend your ear and hearken diligently that your Souls may live for in true love and pitty unto your poor Souls do I write unto you of these things even as it hath been manifested unto me in the light which gives the true knowledge of the things of God unto they that are spiritual And by the Revelation of the Spirit I have perfect knowledge given unto me of those thing● which the natural man doth not know because they are spiritually discerned and revealed by the Spirit unto the Children of the Lord to the praise and glory of our God and to the comfort of their Souls which are redeemed out of death to re●oyce in God the Saviour for ever And when there doth arise in you a desire to read and understand these things then let your minds be turned unto the light of Christ in your Consciences which is so freely given unto you for to make manifest that which may be known of God unto you and in you mark and when the mind is turned unto the light then will the darkness and ignorance be manifested to be within which is the very cause why people doth not rightly understand the things of God when they speak or read of them with their minds blinded and the nobility of their understandings clouded with enmity against the light and therefore doth not know those things they read or speak of but naturally as bruit beasts yet will they be judging or saying this or that is their Judgement or Opinion then when they are contradicted they wring or wrest the Scriptures to their own destruction thinking thereby to uphold their Opinion and so to get victory over one another such is the Pharisee practise who love to have the praise of men in these our dayes and therefore now you simple-hearted that would walk in the right way but do not know it I do write unto you that you may not be hasty and so run rashly into any opinion but believe in the light in your own Conscience for he that Isa 28. 16. believeth shall not make haste and then waiting in the light the power of God will arise in due time and rent the vaile and overturn the dark mountains and so may you come to Rom. 14. 5 be perswaded in your minds such was the Apostles Doctrine when there was striving or contending about dayes even as there is among the chief Baptists now and so now people may see the Baptists are gone into Opinions and Sects like the Priests some for one thing and some for another one Sect for free Will and another for Election as they call them and another Sect of them are among the shadows and figures observing the seventh dayes for their sabbath which God gave unto the Children of Israel for a sign Ezek. ●0 1● and the Apostle said unto the Colossians Let no man therefore Judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of an holy day or of the new Moon or of the Sabbath day which are a shadow of things to come but the body