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An ansvvere made by Oliuer Carter, Bacheler of Diuinitie: unto certaine popish questions and demaundes
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Carter, Oliver, 1540?-1605.
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1579
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prison for that he woulde not take vpon him to be supreame heade of the Churche which Hildebrande poysoned sixe Popes was a coniurer and raised vp Diuelles and threwe the Sacrament into the fire Another saith that they were many that both priuatly and openly cursed Pope Hildebrande and said that with his hatred and ambition he troubled the worlde and that vnder the colour of Christ he wrought the feates of Antichrist This was he in whose time Sathan was let loose and when your Churche of Rome might truely be called the seate and harbour of Antichrist the man of sinne which setteth himselfe against God which sitteth in mens consciences is euen that whore which Saint Iohn speaketh of Which shoulde make the nations of the earth drunken with the cuppe of her fornication and hath imbrued her handes in the bloude of Gods Saintes Surely I muste needes say if that these Potenâates had bene but a litle whitled and âot beastly drunke they woulde neuer haue bene so deceiued by Antichriste and receiued the marke of the beast What Lorde King or Emperour woulde haue kissed the Popes foote holden his stirâope serued him at the table To coÌclude besides their wickednes in life as many of them being coniurers adulterets namelie Siluester the seconde whoe gaue him selfe bodie and soule to the Diuell that he might be Pope and Pope Ioane the woman Pope who traueled with Childe as shee was carried on foure mens shoulders about in procession their doctrine is most damnable and repugneth in all poyntes the Gospell of Christe As one saying of Agryppa speaking of the Pope and and Churche of Rome plainely sheweth They commaunde saith he the Angelles they haue power ouer the dead they vse violence against the Scriptures to haue the fulnesse of authoritie The Pope him selfe is become intollerable There was neuer Tyrant like vnto him in pompe and pride The Legates of the Byshoppe of Rome doe so riotte in their the Pope to be Antichrist as Irenaeus a godly father sheweth Antichrist saith he being a runnegate and a theefe yet hee will be woorshipped as a God And being but a bondseruant yet he will be proclaimed and published as a King. Another saith Antichrist shall faigne him selfe to bee holy that hee may deceiue men vnder the colour of holines yea he shall call him selfe God and shal cause him self to be worshipped and shall promise the kingdome of heauen An other saith Whereas he is a damned man and no spirit he pretendeth him selfe to bee a God and whatsoeuer he dooth no man may aske him Domine cur ita facis Sir why doo you so Enter now into your owne conscience examine these sayinges vprightly looke vppon them with a single eye and theÌ iudge you indifferently And I trust that you will recant according to your promise Papist 8 ITEM I aske what kinde and order of seruice or common prayer what way of ministring the Sacraments your Church had before papistrie as you cal it preuailed in the worlde shewe me one booke or coppie of communion or what else you list that was in english or lacked praying for the departed or inuocation of Saintes in heauen or that wanted oblation or sacrifice or that charged a number to receiue else the Prieste could not consecrate or say Masse receiuing alone or shewe anye note in a communion booke that people should take the sacrament for plaine breade or that they should giue no honour vnto it shewe this booke or anie Church or congregation that euer had aniââutenticall seruice but ours And I recant Answeare 8 I Shal not neede to stand long in reciting what kind of seruice was vsed before papistrie began verely euen the same which our Sauiour Christ set foorth which is recorded in the foure Euangelists and in the Epistles and writings of the Apostles from which the Apostles the congregations vnto whome they had preached the Gospell departed not one iotte And so the Apostle speaking of the institution of the Lordes Supper saith That thing which I haue receiued of the Lord the same haue I deliuered vnto you As though he should say euen he which ought onely to beare authoritie in the Church hath prescribed a way and orders of celebrating his laste Supper of whiche these are the chiefe partes That the Minister shoulde shewe the Lordes death by preaching his woorde and Gospell by calling vppon the name of the Lorde in prayer in deliuering the bread wine to bee receiued with thankesgeuing that the congregation shoulde for their partes proue and try them selues touching the knowledge of GOD fayth in the mercies of God offered in Christ and true sorrowe and lamentation for their sinnes past endeuouring them selues to leade a new life to shew forth the Lords death in consenting to his woorde and institution It is manifeste that the people to the number of three thousande soules beeing of diuerse countries and nations conuerted vnto the Gospell by Peters preaching continued for so the holie Ghoste speaketh in the Apostles doctrine and felowshippe and breaking of breade and prayers This order of seruice was vsed in all congregations from time to time amongest true Christians and remayned perfect for the space of sixe hundred yeares and odde yea vntill the same was altered by your Popish Cleargie who not being contented with that whiche Chrisâe his Apostles and the auncient Doctoures and Fathers of the Churche had sette foorth deuised a newe way of worshipping GOD a new âorder of ministration a straunge and newe â deuised forme of prayer and so turned all vpside downe But in defence of the truth we may boldely and truely answeare you that we holde and mainteine the same order of seruice the same ministration of Sacramentes the same prayer that the true Apostles and faithfull Christians vsed in all ages And whereas you aske for Bookes in Englishe which were written before Papistrie beganne in which there is no mencion made of praying for the deade of inuocation to saintes of priuate Masse It is plaine that there were sundrie godly bookes of Scripture whiche Dioclesian that wicked Emperour did burne in open markettes whose steppes your Churche of Rome hath followed euermore in suppressing the truth by suche meanes Notwithstanding God be thanked there bee manie volumes exstant writteÌ both by the auncient and godly fathers of the Church as also in the Saxon tongue in verie oldâ English of which I haue seene one veriâ lately found in a verie olde ruinons wall which forbiddeth prayers for the deade whiche teacheth vs onely to inuocate thâ name of God which maketh mention oâ no masse but of the communion in botâ kindes and to conclude doeth aduouche iâ all pointes the same Sacramentes thâ same principles of religion and the same manner of worshipping God that we doe and proueth the same by the scriptures Iâ appeareth in histories that the Bohemians made peticion vnto the councell holden aâ Basill that
aduocate with the Father âesus Christ the righteous and he is the propiciation for our sinnes and not for âurs onely but for the sinnes of the whole world By the which words we â taught that Christ our sauiour is not onâ the mediatour of our redemption but also â our intercession doth plead our cause wâ god Why would you haue vs to take Chrâ his office froÌ him as you do by inuocatiâ praying to saints in making theÌ meanâ for vs seeing that the Saintes departâ know not our estate vnderstande not oâ infirmities as Esaie the prophet doth wânesse saying Though Abraham be ignorant of vs Israel know vs not yet thoâ O Lord art our Father our redemeâ thy name is for euer Wherevppoâ S. Augustine giueth this note Thoâ seest here saith he that neither Abrahâ nor Israel knewe after their death whâ the estate was of their posteritie And iâ the same chapter he saith I am certainely perswaded that the dead knowâ no more what we do here in earth theâ we being in earth knowe what they doâ in heauen Touching seruice in an vnknowne speech howe can it stande with the Apostles doctrine If the Trumpet saith Saint Paule geue an vncertaine sounde who shall prepare himselfe to battaile Also in the same Chapter Let â thinges bee done in the congregatiâ to edifying howe are the people âlified whiche vnderstande not what is âoken But to make the matter more âaine the Apostle saith further I had raâer in the Church to speake fiue words âth my vnderstanding that I mighte âso instruct others then ten thousande âordes in a straunge tongue You aske âso who preached against the Churche â Rome for the space of a M. yeares âuly euen from time to time God had his âhurche which reproued your grosse idoâtries And for a taste I will name you a âwe The Monkes ⪠of Chester which âere not idle bellied Monkes but payneâll Preachers and lyued not vppon the âeate of other mens browes but by their âne handy labour whom your Monkish âugustine sent into Englande by Pope âregorie did finde meanes to murder âost cruelly by incensing the king to make âarre against them Sabellicus saith in the âare of our Lord 1111. the Bishop of Fluâce beganne to teache preach Antiârist then to be born to be manifest ârnulphus a godly Precher inueying aâainst the abominatioÌs of your Church was priuily hanged in Rome by youâ cleargie men This is no tale but recoâded by your owne histories A councâ was holden in king Steuens time vndâ Theobaldus Archebyshoppe of Caunteâ burie charging the Byshoppes that thâ people shoulde learne the Lordes prayeâ and the Creede in Englishe Gherarduâ and Dulcinus both being preachers affiâmed the Pope to be Antichrist and Româ to be Babylon In the same yeare king Henrie the seconde made Lawes at Claredowne in Normandie abolishing thâ Popes authoritie taking away appellations and Peter pence In the citie of Tolouse in the yeare of our Lorde 1178. a great number both men and women professoures of the true religion were by the Popes commissioners coÌdemned to death There were certaine christen people called Valdenses or Leonistes true professoures of the Gospell as appeareth by the articles of their religion which liued in the yeare of our Lorde 1170. And of these godlie Christians speaketh one of your owne writers who saith thus The secte of these Leonistes hath a great shewe of pietie or godlinesse because they liued iustly and vprightly before men ând doe beleeue all thinges very well âhich concerne God and all the artiâes which be contained in the Creede ânelie they doe speake ill of and doe âate the Churche of Rome I will not âeake of king Iohn who detesting your Romishe doctrine was poysoned by a âayterous Moonke at Swinested Abbey ân Lincolneshier I let passe Iohn Wickâiffe person of Literworth who reade the âiuinitie lecture in Oxenforde a zealous ârofessour of all the pointes of doctrine which we now mainteine Whose bones your cleargie tooke vp manie yeares after his death and burned them I coulde name Iohn Husse and Ierome of Prage Bohemians whome the Emperour and your Pope sent for vnto the councell holden at Constance vnder their safe Conductes to come and goe in safetie yea though they prooued verie notablie their faith which word by worde agreeth with the true religion now set foorth Neuerthelesse contrary to promise their owne hands seales most violently they coÌdemned theÌ for heretikes burned them And to salue this sore bleare the worldes eies they afterwarde decreed that Fides cum haereticis non esset seruanda that is That faith ought not to be kept with heretikes Gods name be thanked it may sufficiently be proued that in all ages there were some which defended the truth against your tyrannie But to come to the Pope this word Papa is a generall name vnto all learned men and therefore doth not pertaine onely to the sea of Rome Saint Augustine Saint Hierome writing one to another calleth each other Papa though one of them was conuersant in Iewrie the other at Hippo in Aphrick But to the matter You woulde knowe what wee mislike in the Popes gouernment and what Pope declined first from his Forefathers faith and steppes The Popes or Bishopes of Rome for the space of three hundred yeares after Christ did for the most parte suffer martyrdome vnder the wicked Emperours for the testitimonie of Christ and the doctrine in these daies published At which time they did not rule but were ruled After that they liued other three hundred yeares and more in a calme time and in greate quietnesse by Gods prouidence vnder Constantine the greate and the godâ Emperours his successors Which time âeeing expired and accomplished they âeeing pricked forwardes through pride ând ambition did beginne to claime supeâioritie ouer their fellowe Bishoppes ând also to decline by little and little from âhe perfecte rule of God his holy woorde ând veritie And in steede thereof magnified and extolled them selues and âheir own inuentions traditions not stryâing and contending who should excell or âoe before one an other in pure and âincere doctrine and holinesse of life But âather who coulde woorke moste mischiefe and iniurie one towardes an other of them seeking one to depriue an other of theire Bishopprikes and often times of lyfe in taking one an other out of their graues and also cutting of one an others âingers and poisoning one another and ân making Lawes decrees and ordinanâes one against an other there beeing sometymes two or three Popes at one time in doctrine vnsound in life wicked and in this hurley burly the Churche of Rome continued a verie long time both before and after Hildebrande Neuerthelesse this Hildebrande beyng yet Cardinall as one of your owne Cardinals reporteth did beate Pope Alexander with his fist and kept him in