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A56038 Proposals for raising a million of money out of the forfeited estates in Ireland together, with the answer of the Irish to the same, and a reply thereto. 1694 (1694) Wing P3739; ESTC R4587 28,869 52

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you pass over the Rebellion of Forty One as if it had been no more than a common Riot and satisfie your self with saying That neither the Proposer nor any of his Party had a hand in quelling any of these Rebellions which you cannot but know to be notoriously false I join with you that former Rebellions have been suppressed by the Ancestors of those now call'd Irish who for their Service therein had the Estates of the Forfeiting Rebels granted them why therefore those Estates being now justly Forfeited by the late Rebellion should not after the same manner be disposed of by England on whom the Charge of Reducing Ireland fell is hard to say pray consider it 22. As natural a Conclusion as ever was drawn from Premises but you say in Fact 't is false then begging the Question That the Irish were the injured People infer from thence their good nature for that the injur'd Man forgets and remits the Wrong but never he that gives it this last Assertion is certainly true and to your advantage too else had there not been now an Irish Man in that Kingdom for after it was totally subdued and the Irish entirely in the power of the English what Nation in the World but this could have born the sight of those who in cold Blood had Butchered their Fathers Mothers Brothers and Relations of all sorts and had industriously sought the Lives of those very Persons with whom you say they afterwards lived amicably so that your own Argument turns upon you and a true one it is But you are too large in taking in both the last Reigns during that of King Charles the English had the upper hand and then indeed they liv'd amicably but soon after King James came to the Crown you began to shew your selves and instead of retalliating the kindnesses shew'd you in the foregoing Reigns Plots were sworn against the English Twenty or Thirty of the principal Gentlemen of a County accused and several of them try'd for High-Treason the most vigorous prosecution imaginable and all possible care taken for going through stitch with it but when Teague came to give Evidence they so thwarted and contradicted each other that those who had the least Grain of Modesty blushed at it a hundred times more Paper than is allow'd for this would not contain the severe usage the English received in that little time Your next sentence puts me beyond all patience the good usage the Protestants who stayed in Ireland had did you not blush at writing this Or can you expect that ever a word can be believed of what you say after it What madness possessed the People if this were true to hazard so many Lives in open Boats in the midst of Winter Others to lye Night and Day in Caves and Rocks by the Sea-side watching opportunities of getting off and generally without a Penny of Money or Rag of Cloaths more than what they had on their Backs Did you ever keep Faith with any that fell into your Hands Our Army only excepted which you did for fear Were not Conditions broke with Sir Thomas Southwell and his Party he and they Try'd and lay Condemned contrary to Faith given till you durst no longer hold them Was not Castlemartyr plunder'd contrary to Major General Maccarty's Conditions Bandon the same and a hundred more But 't is not worth while to dwell longer upon a thing as notoriously false as God is true However before we part I 'll repeat a Paragraph of a Sermon Preached by the Learned and Excellent Bishop of Cork before the Lords Spiritual and Temporal Oct. 23. 1692. We who were in this Kingdom in the Years 89 and 90. had indeed a sentence of death in our selves for we knew our selves in the Hands of Bloody Enemies Enemies by Nation Manners Religion and Interest Enemies Insolent and some few excepted Barbarous and Brutish Enemies who never kept Faith nor can be presumed ever will we were naked even as to defensive Weapons deprived of all manner of Refuge or Security yea many of us oftentimes of the very Necessaries of Life We were most causlesly either under Imprisonment or Restraints and not seldom drawn out and set forth as Men appointed for immediate Death Our surrounding Guards not long before our Servants standing ready with their Arms and calling for the Word the Word and sometimes the Commander in Chief Damning himself that upon the first sight of the Enemy he would Sacrifice our Heretick Souls to the Devil Thus stood it with many of us who are thought to have fared best Others and those not a few under a formal Sentence of Death Gallows and Executioners prepared and appearing It were worse with those forlorn numbers driven before the Walls of Derry of whom God alone knows how many perished these things are so manifest that to use the words of our Town-Clark in the Acts They cannot be spoken against it admits not contradiction Now pray what think you Might not Men be better used than this In the next Sentence you omit saying any thing to one part of what the Proposer ascribes the safety of the English Lives to viz. The hopes the late King had of returning into England which was the true cause that the Protestants were not all massacred and this you cannot but know very well who were so near the Fountain-head and had the drawing of most of the Resolutions and Orders You very easily convince me that the People of England would never have parted with their Estates to the Irish and I dare say the Proposer never thought they would nor does he say any thing like it but is that an Argument why that might not pass upon Irish-men If you please to enquire in the places where the Irish Regiments quartered just before the Prince of Orange's Landing you may be furnisht with Stories enough of like Nature where every day over their Cups they had Cantoned out the whole Country and divided the Noblemen and Gentlemens Seats among them But the Passion which your last Sentence raised this has lay'd for I now begin to pity you do you not Argue admirably well However say you the Proposer allows in Fact that the English who stayed in Ireland in the late Times were well used In this your Party shew their Temper with more truth and plainness than discretion for though the Irish no doubt think that sparing English-mens Lives although they Rob them of all they have is good Usage yet you will never be able to perswade this Kingdom that 't is so and I dare undertake for the Proposer and his Party they never looked on it as such 23. So many black Rebellions are certainly Arguments that carry Force in them and therefore may prevail look back to the last Paragraph and tell me who is the false Reasoner but you are very often guilty of a worse fault than false Reasoning which perhaps you cannot help and that is most falsely Representing for as you have been told