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A89851 A second answer to Thomas Moore, to that which he calls, his Defence against the poyson, &c. Wherein is shewed the crooked wayes, the Serpent is forced to take to keep God and his creatures at a distance, and yet would do it under the name of a teacher. But is seen to be the same, that perswaded man out from his guide in spirit, and now would keep him so, lest his unclean wayes in the heart of man should be discovered with the spiritual light of Christ; and so man should turn to the Lord, who is that spirit, and the vail be done away, ... Here is also 54. lies gathered out from amongst a multitude more, with T.M. hath heaped up for his defence, against the truth, which he calles the poyson of Satan, which are sent him back to the 48. that I sent him before, that he may either prove them, or they root with the founder, for the truth they touch not. / Set forth to clear the truth from this froth, cast upon it by the enemy thereof, By a friend to the seed of truth, called James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N314; Thomason E868_9; ESTC R202991 29,892 39

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thy book which I plainly laid down to see if thou would'st plainly oppose them as thou hadst secretly sought to undermine them that so the Serpent might be brought out of his holes and discovered in the sight of the simple which now thou casts thy venom at them calling it a Wolf but dar'st not deny one of them And because they may stand as Witnesses against thy deceit in this book as they did in the other and seeing this may come to the hands of some which the other does not I am free to send them to thee again and to all the world and do not call them Woolfs till thou hast so proved them neither seek to cast thy dirt upon them by shuffling them out of their place and seek to make people believe I mean another thing then I speak so turning the truth into a lye before thou dare encounter with it that being thy old way by which thou hast raised these lying slanders in thy book not having a ground for raising a slander from any thing that I have spoken in it till thou hast taken it one piece from another and thrust in thy own Forgeries and Meanings to make some shew unto people to cover thy nakedness without which as it appears thou durst not meddle to oppose these Truths though they be much in thy way which are as followeth 1 That the light of Christ is the first principle that shews a man his condition and leads to Christ the Saviour and without it the Gospel is hid from every Creature living and without it none can read with profit 2 That though Christ Jesus in himself hath suffered and satisfied the whole will of God for all the world yet none but who by faith in this comes to receive a measure of the same Christ in the same spirit and power and life in them can have redemption by him from sin and death 3 That the Word of God is spiritual and who hath it hath it in their heart and that none who hath it not in their hearts hath eternal life though they may have the letter as the Devil hath to pervert to wrong ends to plead for sin and tempt the sons of God 4 That none can understand the Scriptures nor know the voice of Christ in them but who have that spirit and light in them that gave them forth to open their understanding to know the mystery and life of them 5 That no man knows his own heart but who first owns the light of Christ to search it and the same light that searches the heart gives light to know God and his glory 6 That the least measure of living faith that is not a fancy but stands in Christ Jesus is present power against all sinne and the greatest power of Satan if the Creature abide faithful in it and run to no other helps but mind obedience in it 7 That no man can be a Minister of Christ nor preach him truly but who preacheth perfection and that is the end of his Ministry which thou callest a Doctrine of Devils 8 That there is not one particular of the worship you perform in your high places but it is added or altered from what it was when Christ appointed it and established it 9 That God and his Word is now manifest in the bodies of his Saints in the same manner and as freely as formerly he hath been and that there he is a sufficient Teacher and shield against sinne without any other help to all according to the measure of their knowledge of him present 10 That no man can receive the things of Gods spirit but who minde somewhat of God in them to receive it withall 11 That the least measure of Gods spirit is an infallible guide and without it no man knows Christ nor can judge of any thing of God or his truth his Kingdom or the way to it or the Devil and his subtleties but lies open to be deceived in all things and to be led by men of corrupt minds in whom the Devil is 12 That the ground of all Errors Sects and Opinions Heresies and Blasphemies that are in the world is in being led from the guidance of this spirit and all live in error but who are guided by it but none ever errs who was guided by it alone nor ever shall These being the main things for which thou accuses us in thy book having wrested them contrary to our judgment and practice thereby to darken the way of truth more dear to me then life to the end that all may find it and rest to their souls I have laid them down as plain as I can as they are in Jesus in me revealed without any adding or diminishing as in the sight of God so when thou writes to oppose again let it be plain to the people whether thou owns or denies so the difference may be judged with the truly wise in heart and the ground of it nad do not cast a mist over the truth as in thy book and yet dare neither own nor deny but secretly bite and devour Here is also some of thy lies sent back to the Authour and when thou provest them I shall make my defence till then let them rot with the raiser of them which are as followeth 1 That I own my self to be one of those that sleight and reject the word of the Lord. 2 That the way of lying proud boasting and false accusing is the perfection of our Doctrine and Principles 3 That I own Some other spirit then that in and with the Scriptures as Gods Spirit 4 That we would present men perfect in themselves while there is nothing perfect that so they may not look to the perfection of Christ 5 That we promise others liberty freedom from sin glorious Conquest in themselves 6 That we count that sin that is looking to that Jesus which is the very Christ 7 That we never make it our work in our speakings or writings to preach lift up or commend that Jesus as he is in that one personall body c. 8 That we preach not Jesus and the Resurrection as the Apostles did 9 That we make up our whole Doctrine and matter without that which God hath laid in Zion for a foundation 10 That we magnifie not the Son of Man 11 That I assert nothing in my Book of that Jesus of Nazareth in that which he hath done c 12 That I array Christ as Herod did that I may marre his visage and mock at him 13 That in my Book I say I am Christ and that we leave nothing of the Declarations of hope that we so invert not 14 That if any do preach things according to Scripture we revile it as the Heathen reviled the Apostles for preaching Jesus and the Resurrection 15 That I am a denyer of Christ as Judas was 16 That we make not Jesus the sum and subject matter of our preaching 17 That we pervert all those Scriptures that speak of
11. 34 35. 36. that the light of the body is the eye and if it be single the whole body is full of light as the bright shining of a Candle doth give light And keep thy heart with all diligence for from thence are the Issues of life And saith Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin and Commune with your own hearts and be still and the Law of God is written in the heart and the heart of the wise Prov. 4. 23 Psal 119. 11. Psal 4. Heb. 8. 10. Prov. 16. 23. Joh. 16. 13 teacheth his mouth and the spirit of truth is that which must lead into all truth Nay doth not all the Scriptures testifie to the light and spirit-teaching within and that they are none of Christs who have not the spirit of Christ and is it counted a familiar spirit now with thee Now is it seen to all the Children of the light that Antichrist is revealing as the Scriptures hath foretold and the Man of sin pleading against freedom from sin and the blinde Guids preaching against the light and he that is born of the flesh against the spirit and its teachings and the Children of darkness against the light that manifests the evill deeds and he is discovering who abode not in the truth and the spirit and light is that truth which thou would preach down to lead out into the world where the lyer is who hates the light because his deeds are evill And this is thy work in thy books and to thy Master and his work thou art faithful using thy utmost subtlety to do his work thorowly to preach Christ out of his Creatures that none should minde his light and spirit but without in another world that so the Devill may have his will in the heart in this World while any one lives and serve God and be made free when they are dead and can do their Master no more service if they would and when thou hast struck them off from looking at any light or spirit within then like the Serpent least his head should be seen thou hides thy selfe with telling of Not to lean to their own understanding and sayes thou though the word be nigh them in their hearts that it might be yet it is not received by them in their hearts or dwelling there as a light or principle to direct them while in their naturall estate when thou hast done what thou can to perswade them that the looking to it is but as to a familiar spirit But is that their own understanding which condemns their natural understanding as they are fallen from God and lets them see that all their understanding wisdom and prudence is God hid from and manifests all their deeds in that state to be evill this hath every natural man in him from the Father of Spirits which manifestation of spirit is given to every one to profit withall if it be but minded and not quenched and without this can be no knowledge of God and if this Candle be put out there is no doing the work of God till it be lighted further then to wait and there is no waiting but with the heart in spirit till it shine out of darkness again and till then all the Creature doth is but deeds of darkness and not accepted by God his prayers are abomination and his plowing sin yea though all the world should flatter such a one they could not save him nor unite him to God nor give peace of Conscience with God nor Sealing in spirit and this the Children of light know though blinde Serpents and deaf Adders oppose it who walk in crast and deceit but the Apostles who handled not the word deceitfully did commend themselves to that in every mans 2 Cor. 4. 2. Conscience in the sight of God and the Ministration of Christ is to the spiritual seed whereby the spiritual seed is quickned and raised out of darkness and death but the Ministration of the Hireling and false Prophet is to the itching eares and so the Beast and the false Prophet joynes against the seed of God to keep it in death and darkness and if it be born up then they persecute him in whom it is born And these take the letter there with to deny the light and oppose that spirit that gave it forth and whereof the letter restifies because they have not the John 5. word abiding within them and this was the work of the Pharises and Hirelings but never any one of Christs Ministers denyed the light and spirit within as thou dost yet slaidly and covertly so as if thou be taxt for it thou may have an excuse to come out of and deny thy work with a meaning and consequence but if none disproves thee then goes on with thy work to lead out simple people from the light of Christ in spirit to follow thy Imaginations without a spirit and light without which thou never saw Yet in this one thing there is not many exceeds thee for when ever thou layes down a deceit the end whereof is to deny the light or spirit or perfection or to slander any who own the truth in these things thou makes sure before thou leave it to make two or three wayes for escape least it fall upon thy head knowing before the thing to be such thou cannot stand by with Scripture and this the least Child of Light may see in thy books wherefore I shall not much need to trace thee therein the thing being so plainly evident to all that in the light read thy books and my answers thereto And when thou hast told a lie and being told thereof thou on purpose having left out a word or syllable there thou makes an escape As for instance in thy answer to the last Query which asks What that grace of God is which brings salvation and hath appeared to all men thy lie is that indeed we believe no such thing as the grace of God appearing to men which I finding this to be as answer to the Query I tell thee Thou answers with a slander saying that indeed we believe no such thing as the grace of God appearing to all men now thou having left out the word all for escape which is in the Query and in the Scripture also In thy defence sayes thou my words are They believe no such thing as the grace of God appearing to men and this thou would charge upon me to be a lie when the lie is thy own and hath both abused the Query and the Scripture on which the Query is grounded leaving out the word all to make it and such holes as this thou creeps out of to hide the lyer from being seen And in other places where thou hast gone a crooked way to fetch a compasse to make a lie for otherwise thou could not which when I come to answer and takes the sum of the thing in brief which otherwise might fill a volume then thy escape
believed or received in others thou hast sufficiently manifested herein if thou hadst said no more nor did the Apostle speak of them that minded the light or spirit within but of them that minded earthly things minding your bellies more then the work of God as thou and thy Companions did at the dispute who broke it up because it was an hour past dinner time such are belly Gods and not they who minde the light or spirit of Christ within them And let all honest people judge what it is thy deceitful lips will not make the Scriptures speak who would make the sence of the Apostles words to intend against minding a spirituall light within whose words is of such as minde earthly things yet in this as in all other of thy deceits which thou darst not plainly a vouch thou so layes down the thing as to leave thy self a way to escape if thou be taxed for thy falshood as by thy words some pretended light opposed to Christ when any may see thy envy is at the light of Christ and his spirit within for no other do we pretend and this is not opposire to Christ as he is in Heaven but the only thing that revealeth him in spirit And thou layest down two Reasons to prove thy deceits which no Scripture will the first opposing that the Apostle did mean Earth-worms in a grosse and carnall sence and in thy second thou sayst they were walkers Brethren they had not such a form of godliness as stood in talking only but in walking also In the first whereof thou strikest at the Apostles words who said they minded earthly things but thou sayst not Earth-worms and in thy second thou strikes at uptight walking yet doth neither of them prove any thing for the further then thy confusion And thou wouldst prove me to be one whose God is my belly and the thing thou wouldst prove it withall is because I say the Apostles preached the spirit and light within shining in their hearts to give the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus and this Treasure they had in Earthen Vessels but if angred 2 Cor. 4. 6 7. they may see that instead of proving me one whose God is my belly thou hast proved thy self one whose Father is the Devill who saith the Apostle saith no such thing but saith it s my spirit of Antichrist so let plain Scripture judge which is good reason that it should be believed before thy lying spirit who goeth on to deny the spirit and light to shine into their hearts as though God would shine into their hearts without his spirit and light and such dark stuffe thou utters who knowest not his spirit and light mangling thy confusions to darken the truth as though I had said their hearts should give them the glory of God without his light and spirit when my words are with the Apostle and all the Servants of God who witness the light and spirit to give the knowledge of God without which there can be no knowledge of God which Treasure is in the Earthen Vessels which words thou leavest out lest they should have spoyled thy design in perverting the words and deceiving the simple And thou makest much adoe in thy Book to drive a believers light far distant without as far from them as to the place where Christ was crucified saying he that was crucified on the Tree was the fountain of Believers light which though he be the fountain to those who have him in them yet is he known to none but by hear-say who have him not to such the fountain is sealed therefore dost thou blind utter forth so much of thy folly who imagineth a fountain without thee but darkness within which cannot comprehend the light though in the darkness it shine and the Devill himself knowes what was done upon Mount Calvary and the wickedst men in the Nation as well as thee who hast it not in thee so you believe in a Tradition who have not the Revelation And thou makes a babling to blinde people with as that the Apostle preached not the Earthen Vessels or themselves I say those are thy own words for none else I know that intends them or mentions them but the most of thy bustling in thy Book is to wrest my words or to add to them thy own and so start a lye out of thy own bosom and when thou hast done much to do thou makes to conflite it and this pleaseth thy fancy as though thou hadst done some great thing when thou hast but confuted thy self and laid open thy solly And thou goest creeping about to make people believe that Christ is not a spirit but darst not deny it yet as thy manner is casts a mist before it Christ in spirit being that thou seeks most to oppose for nothing else discovereth the 2 Cor. 5 16. Devills seat in man and therefore said the Apostle I know him no more after the flesh and When they shall turn to the Lord the vail shall be taken away now the Lord is that spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty 2 Cor. 3. 16 17 but this liberty breaketh the Devills Kingdom therefore his Ministers he sets to keep people without in the letter imagining a thing at a distance but to believe the appearance of Christ in spirit that is death to him and his Ministry and whereas thou tells of Christ being glorified in Heaven in your nature I say Christ was never of the nature of the lyer neither in Heaven nor on Earth though he was flesh yet it was not that which lusteth against the spirit none knowes his flesh nor nature but who knowes the word in them which thou opposeth which art full of the old Leaven and thou askestance a question of the Scriptures say the same so take thy Question back and apply it to thy self In thy first Book thou made an objection Can flesh and blood enter into the Kingdom of Heaven and thou answers No yet the same flesh and bones may the blood being powred out and gone to which answer what confused stuffe is this that proceeds from thy imaginations Is Christ ascended without blood or is it onely the blood of people that keeps the in from ascending which they must leave behinde them taking the same flesh and bones but not the same blood and in this Book thou excuses the matter with saying he is ascended without material blood and yet with the vertues of that blood I say again hath he materiall flesh and bones and not materiall blood then is he not the same that he was when he was upon earth But why dost thou not make some answer to thy other clause how people must do to get shut of their blood seeing thy faith is they cannot ascend till their blood be poured forth This being a new Doctrine which the Scripture doth not declare of it stands in need of better grounds then yet thou hast
those things 18 That we are in greatest rage against those that plainly preach Jesus to be the very Christ 19 That at the Dispute we did stoutly despise trade underfoot and marre the visage of the Lord. 20 That I say I justifie no such thing as if any strike us on the one Check to turn the other 21 That my usuall way of asserting Christs personall appearance is in my own name 22 That we contemn Authority and deny Honour and respect civill and natural where due 23 That Christ or his light in us is darknesse it self 24 That we use Christ in us and the light as a Cloak of maliciousness and pride 25 That all our sufferings are occasioned as defiling the flesh or as evill doers 26 That we are as the Papists who suffer much for their principles sake 27 That our Principle leads us to follow our own spirit in contempt of all Commands of superiours even such as might be obeyed in the Lord and for his sake 28 That our Principle leads us in contempt of all Principles of Honesty Justice and Equity 29 That we desire to provoke wrath in others against such as are in places of Trust 30 That we desire to rush our selves into petty sufferings that we may glory in them 31 That I said that as Christ bore sins in that his own body that died at Jerusalem so he had born sins in my body 32 That I confound Christs forbearance of sin done in our bodies with his bearing sin in the imputation of sin and strokes in his own body to satisfie justice c. 33 That I acknowledge no such thing as Christs bearing sin himself in his own body in any other sence then he may be said still to bear them in us 34 That I reject the Testimony of Christ having suffered the just for the unjust bearing their sins in his body c. 35 That I fully signifie that the sufferings left behinde are to be suffered in divers persons as propitiatory 36 That my meaning is not that Christ so suffered for sin in that his own body prepared for him according to Scripture 37 That I hold forth Christ bearing sin as the propitiatory Sacrifice in us 38 That I say that the name of God as in Christ and in and by him declared and as precious Oyntment powred out is litteral teaching 39 That I destroy the distinct consideration of the Fathers work in laying our Iniquitles on his Son and renders it as the work of my fancied Christ in the Creature 40 That I take away from you the personall sufferings of Christ in his own body and put in the room my imaginary or fancied Christ 41 That I wholly pervert every thing of Gods name that I meddle with and turns it contrary to its scope and end 42 That I render the great things of the Law to be carnall letter 43 That I reproach thee for not believing Christ bearing sin in thee as the propitiatory Sacrifice 44 That my sence is that Gods righteousness wrought in the person of Christ was but at most as a pattern of what should be wrought over again in our particular persons c. 45 That I justifie Christ being offering himself daily to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself 46 That we imagine that the Death and Resurrection of our light in us is the foundation of our salvation 47 That I intend not the lifting up of Christ but exalting my self in his room 48 That my excellency lyeth in using craftinesse and hidden things of dishonesty 49 That indeed our spirits rejoyce in our likenesse to Sathan 50 That our inside tends directly to marre the visage of Christ 51 That I deny thy saying That the word is not a Principle of men 52 That I reject the Name of God as declared in Christ and brought to light through the Gospel as carnall and litterall Teaching 53 That I affirm that all that receives the word suffers and satisfies the whole will of God for all the world in them 54 That we render the light and spirit to be naturally in men as of them These 54 Lies have I taken out as I told thee in thy last book from three times so many these with the 48. in thy last book make up the number of one hundred and two I should not have troubled my self to reckon them up had not the Lyar gone about to seek to lay them on the truth and slander the Quakers for Lyers so let the Lyer be known by his fruits who must be revealed by the Spirit of Truth And when thou writest again either prove what thou hast said or stop thy mouth for calling Lyar for ever And one thing more I warn thee of that thou do'st not as thou did'st in thy last book who because I reckoned up but part of thy Lies goes about to make people believe I own all the rest For I tell thee again there is above three times as many more in both thy books as false as these which I am not guilty of though I reckon them not here Neither say thou I have wronged thee in setting down these in that I have not set down all thy words for it is plain to every Reader that I have set down the substance of thy slander as it sounds in the ears of the Reader though in the most of them thou hast before-hand made thy way of escape knowing them to be what thou canst not prove Yea this shall any see in thee who are in the light and do but observe thee that in this art thou exceeds I must confess of all that ever I had to do withall thou art the Master of this Craft of Lying for not the clearest truth that ever I can speak but if it be in thy way thou wilt take into pieces and mangle it with thy own and turn it all into Lies which is the Master-piece in thy Bookes as I have shewed in particulars And as boldly and impudently wilt thou let them fly having but made a way to creep out and deny them if thou be charged therewith and if not then thou holds it out for truth that all is owned that is not denied in particular which should I have done in these thy two Books for one sheet of Paper five would not contain an Answer But they being most of them so gross and the Truth it self arising against them a living Testimony in most parts of the Nations It will clear it self better then Paper and Ink to the confusion of Antichrist the Lyar and his Father FINIS