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A46916 Strength in Weakness or The burning bush not consumed Being an answer (formerly published under this title) to two letters written by James Naylor. To which is now added several other papers written since by the same hand (whereof one is intituled, The secret shootings of the wicked reproved.) With a reply thereunto, as also to the rest respectively. By J.J. Published at the request of some, for the satisfaction of others: and tendred to the serious perusall of the impartiall and un-prejudic'd reader. Jackson, John, fl. 1651-1657.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. Secret shooting of the wicked, reproved. 1655 (1655) Wing J78B; ESTC R216982 27,934 42

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things spoken by both parties are reconcileable and that there is no lye to be devided between us nor applyed to either of us for that her soul was in bitterness and conflict at thy charge layd upon her 't is evident which sent her to him who alone knows how to deliver his sons and daughters when they fly and cry unto him and before her answer was returned to thee was heard in what she feared The strength of Israel was prevailed with and it was said unto her soul I will set him at liberty from him that puffeth at him thus of weak was made strong by the arm of the mighty God of Iacob who had set her above thy charge and therefore well might she say at the sending the Answer to thee I am no way troubled at thy continued charges thus hast thou this filth wiped off and needest not be troubled except it be that thou hast spoken unadvisedly with thy lips in accusing the innocent Reprover Onely I shall let thee see in a few words what a body of confusion is in this daughter thou art boasting of She saies she knows her self assuredly to be in the Kingdom of God yet still kept groaning for Adoption Reply Hast thou fairly and honestly recited passages or hast thou not injured the truth in this thy recital shouldst not thou have used her own words when thou sayst she sayes Thou shouldst have said the Kingdom of Grace for so saith the Letter And hast thou not left out a material sentence which manifestly alters the case and makes it speak another thing then is intended the words in the Letter are these Yet nevertheless am still kept groaning waiting for the Adoption to wit the redemption of my body Which last clause thou hast wholly omitted which is the explanation of the former and may not be read without it Was it not an aggravation of the fault in the Tempter to pretend Scripture to back his temptation with an omission of a material part of a sentence Mat. 4. 6. I will not apply it perhaps thou mightst do it ignorantly not willingly however at best it was not fair to say no more 2. But why should it seem to thee a thing incredible and be branded with so much contempt that a son or daughter of God who hath received the spirit of Adoption of Sonship and translated into the kingdom of the dear Son of Love the Lord Jesus that such should groan within themselves waiting for the Adoption to wit the Redemption of their body Hast thou never heard of a company of Redeemed ones who were delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of the dear son of the Fathers love in whom they have redemption through his blood the forgiveness of sins Yet even these redeemed ones these that are thus translated into the kingdom of his dear son are advised to take heed of being spoyled through Philosophy and vain deceit after the tradition of men after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ These are further exhorted to mortifie their members which are upon the earth to put off anger and to put on bowels of mercy and above all to put on Love which is the bond of Perfectness There is all this and much more to be found in that Letter or Estle written by Paul to the Colossians who also testifies it was his own case as appears in the eighth of the Romans where notwithstanding that the Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus had made him free from the Law of sin and death verse the second and that he and the beleeving Romans had the witness in themselves the spirit it self bearing witness with their spirits that they were the children of God and had received the spirit of Adoption whereby they did cry Abba Father Yet nevertheless this holy and blessed witness of Jesus Paul himself and others with him notwithstanding they had received the spirit of Adoption and all that is above mentioned yet account it but as a first fruits of the spirit and groan within themselves waiting for the Adoption to wit the Redemption of the body these were those who were heirs of God and joynt heirs with Christ who nevertheless waited for the Adoption in the sence mentioned before here is no cover no gloss no interpretation no meanings but plain testimonie of Scripture to which agrees that which is witnessed of the condition of other Saints of God who although they were translated into the kingdom of the dear son yet had somthing still to be subdued and mortified and were to cleanse themselves from all pollution or filthiness both of flesh and spirit perfecting holyness in the fear of God These things considered I hope thou wilt see cause to cease to condemn the generation of the righteous because they dare not say they are perfect though notwithstanding through the strength of Christ they are going on to perfection striving against sin watching against it and warring against it and assured in their measure that they shall one day be more then conquerors through him that loves them who both teacheth their hands to fight and their fingers to war and what else meanes those words of this friend whom thou dost charge with obstinate wickedness who saith in these words following Through Grace I can testifie the gracious preservation my heavenly father doth daily visit me with a teaching leading power of his holy spirit whereby I finde my self in the kingdom of Grace not shut out as thou sayest by my comprehension nor vain imagination having received union with that holy spirit in my measure do daily take counsel and try first my own deceivings which are within me and those also which are without which causeth me to turn away from so many who professe they are sent messengers from the Lord The good Lord I beleeve assuredly will as he hath faithfully promised to my soul break every yoke of sinful covenant within me it is no grief of heart but true joy yea wonderfully more then my pen at this season can express to feel and find the increase of his grace in my soul with his peace which passeth mans understanding yea even thy deep censures This may suffice to clear away that body of confusion at which thou art so causelesly offended and so grossy stumblest Reprover And had she known the kingdom of God in her she had never wondred how I-durst adventure to write to one whose face I had not seen as she doth in her Paper and saies she consider whether ever the Apostles or Prophets thou art like herein Art thou not still out of the way wouldst thou bear it from another see if thou hast not again varied the case much and judge if it be fair Doth the Letter say she wondered how thou durst adventure to writt to one whose face thou hadst not seen or doth it not say I therefore doe the more wonder how thou durst adventure upon one thou knowest not
hast not said it And thou would charge me with lies because I say she says I am no way troubled at thy continued charges but if thou read her Papers over thou may find the thing confessed by her Also thou would charge me with a ly because I say the Visitors are those Letters published and thou sayest the Publisher speaks of Persons not of Papers I say let the things published be witness against thee herein wherein is no persons named but I and she And whereas thou sayst the Publisher speaks not of 〈◊〉 If thou read his first line thou mayst see he speaks of letters and then thy testimony is false unless thou think to escape between the word Papers and Letters but there thou canst not hide thy self And seeing the Publisher names no other Visitors in particular but I and I not visiting her any other way but by these letters must not those Papers needs be the Visitors spoken of Nor doth my Paper exclude any other Visitors but in answer to the particulars published Again thou goest about to put it out of dispute who is the Lyar and to clear thy self thou wouldst have me take a few words from her mouth wherein she tells how she was distressed under my heavie charge and in her Letter before she said she was no way troubled at that charge and so thou hast proved her the Lyar as thou sayst by her own words and so put it out of doubt And when thou hast done thou goes about to clear her by thy crooked way that she might be distressed in soul for a time at my letters and yet no way troubled at them But this cover will not hide thee these two cannot stand together the matter being naught raving in it makes it worse Also thou chargest me because where she says assuredly she knows her self to be in the Kingdom and my offence is because I call this the Kingdom of God I say in Scripture I read but of two Kingdoms the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Sathan reading no where of the Kingdom of Grace that I know of and she in this Letter not naming any Kingdom in particular my offence is that I took her words in the letter sense And whereas thou sayst the words in the Letter are these where she says she knows her self assuredly to be in the Kingdom I should have said the Kingdom of Grace for so saith the Letter I say read that letter again which speaks of assuredly and see thy self mistaken but if she or thou intend a Kingdom which is not the Kingdom of God I shall not contend with you about it so in thy next thou may send whether thou intend the Kingdom of God or some other Kingdom imagined which the Scripture speaks not of And thou heaps many of the Saints words together whose conditions thou never learnedst of God and thou tells of Mortification and Anger c. but deal plainly and tell us in Anger or any unmortified thing in the Kingdom of God Also take in her condition which thou hast missed in thy answer and tell us whether any self be in the Kingdom or any who have their own Deceivings within them or that have the yoke of sinful covenant within them Hast thou not a cover for these things as well as the other Let it be seen what a Kingdom it is thou be rest witness to whether thy rest be in the poluted or where no polution cometh Another thing is because I set down the word wonder for more wonder and such like words thou art carping at and because I omitted one thou knowst not I say a Lye is better omitted then set down But if it be such a fault to miss a word or a sillable when thou hast the substance then first judge thy self who in printing her Letter hath missed both in words and sense as I can shew her hand against thee herein were it worth contending about Thou tells of searching the Scriptures Berean like I say the Bereans did not search the Scriptures to oppose the light nor to deny that spirit that reveals things to come but those who search the Scriptures to that end must needs be left blind as they are found blinde And for thy unbelief in that spirit that giveth knowledge without outward appearance I say thou might have spared to have written to me of it for I knew it before of thee and all that oppose the light then must own the light that leads out of the world and thy own imaginations before thou know the spirit of Revelation or believe in it yet all thou knows without it is but as thou knows naturally or bruit beasts and in that knowledge is unbelief opposition and death with which the spirit of Iudgement is rebuked and shut out from Ierusalem and rejoyceth in the flesh and speaks evil of the spirit of light that leads to mercy and is the light of Ierusalem which hath no other light but it which all the world is at enmity with Thou says at our last conference I moved thee to write so thou hast prepared these ensuing Queries I say Deceipt speaks I moved thee to answer what was then in hand not to Query which first thou might have done and then queried But the latter is of more advantage to the Tempter and hath been in all ages yet thy queries I shall answer 1. To thy first I say Yea and that light is that which convinceth the world of sin and manifests thine deeds of darkness 2. To thy second I say the light and life are one and being brought into the world by the life so soon at the creature is capable to be tempted to sin from the life the light ariseth a witness against sin if it be but minded but not being taken heed to but disobeyed the eye is blinded by the God of this world and through the continuance of sin is the conscience sceared and the heart hardened against the light till they know no Gospel but the Letter receive it if thou canst. 3. To thy third I say that light is sufficient to all that beleeve and follow it but to the unbeleeving and disobedient a Rock of offence and stone of stumbling even to the builder for they that rebel against the light knows not the ways of it yet is the light sufficient though they turn it into their condemnation but had thou known him whose appearance is with great power and whose glory enlightens the earth which thou art talking of thou had not asked this question 4. To thy fourth I say that which groans for deliverance is the seed of God and to them who so groan is the grace to and that grace being beleeved and followed the seed is raised but who turn this grace into lasciviousness and live in their own wills are kept in death and such knows not the seed of God and therefore persecut it and thou that tells of this seeds groaning under the earth for deliverance and
conclude this Query as the fore-going without another censure but I will not write after thy Copy herein 6. To the last Thou shewest as in the first what it doth in fallen man as also in man renued when redeemed and joined to God but sayest not at all what it is either in the one or in the other nor how it is distinguished from the spirit of God called the spirit it self bearing witness with our spirit which were the terms in the last Query to which thou seemest to make answer but speakest not to the thing in hand Thus I have considered the several things proposed in answer and as I beleeve so have I spoken concluding the answers to be neither plain nor pertinent and altogether without confirmation or proof by any Text of Scripture as was desired and therefore to me no way satisfactory Touching the Queries sent from thee to which thou desirest answer in plainness I would say at present a few words 1. It seems to me unreasonable to be put upon answering to a new stock of Queries while the former are depending and no accompt given how far the answers are allowed or dis-allowed which by this thou wilt be informed 2. If the former were more fully answered which I expect yet the fruitlesseness of this new undertaking is so apparent that it much discourageth me in the thought of it forasmuch as the glory of God doth not appear to me to be propounded as the end of the inquirer not asking as one unsatisfied or desiring information for that hath been dis-avowed by him already both in word and writing in great measure and therefore in that respect ought rather to have been put as certain positions then propounded as Queries by him Further The Inquirer hath already past a sentence upon me concluding my insufficiency toward such an undertaking implied in those many and repeated censures of blindness and confusion knowing naturally as a bruit-beast with such like What issue then can be expected whatever should be said in answer by such an one that is so fore-judged therefore they appear to me as they are stated between thee and me to be fitted for matter of strife and debate and contention rather then matter of edifying And that I am sure is not for the honour of God to be so exercised therefore if thou doest intend true honest edifying turn thy Queries into so many positions let them be asserted and proved and leave the issue to him that teacheth to profit 3. Nevertheless if thou shalt review thy answers comparing them with the Queries whereunto they have reference rectifying that wherein they are defective and confirming what thou hast or shalt say by testimony of Scripture I doubt not but my God will make it of use to me notwithstanding all thy hard words and give me freedom to entertain these thy 6 or rather 26 Queries for so they appear to me every one containing many in it and to give such answer thereunto as he shall please to inable me or if thou shalt refuse to proceed as aforesaid yet in process of time thou mayest meet with what is equivalent to what 's propounded though not in thy figure nor form touching which thou mayest have occasion to manifest thy witness 4th of the 6th moneth 1655. I. I. FRiend thou sayes my answer is not satisfactory to thee I say my answer is so plain as I can speak the truth to the simplicity yea the least that beleeve in the light shall confesse plainnesse in them but there is a nature that will never be satisfied with any lesse then an advantage to blaspheme the truth how often these was resisted by Christ in plainnesse thou mayest read yet never could rest till they forced their ends from him and then they said they need no more though all they had then catcht was their own ruine and their posterity by seeking to insuare him whose love was such as to lay down life for them and the same love in what measure soever it is finds the same entertainment with such as abide in that unbeleeving nature which is for death and that I am not sent to feed which is for famine and fire it satisfies me that I faithfully bear testimony to the faithfull and true witnesse which the father in his eternal love hath sent into the world which both thou and all that oppose it shall be made to confesse of Salvation is in it even the light and though he hath sent me with a message every where spoken against yet I know I am accepted with him and at that day I and my testimony shall be owned though now I am as a sign and a wonder to be spoken against and as one at strife with the whole earth yet in peace with him alone and with as many as lay down their Crowns at his feet There is not any thing in thy Letters lies upon me wherein I have not dealt plainly with thee in before the Lord not covering but laying open to the simplicity onely one thing thou hast twice demanded of me to shew thee which of the Prophets or Apostles I am like in sending the Lords Message to on whose faced never see in the flesh I said before what might have satisfied one who pretends to know Seripture but seeing its a particular proof thou seekest I shall of many instance of either one which thou mayest see in Jeremy 27. and Col. 2. 1. with 4. 16 this is what God did but if thou wilt now undertake to limit him thou shalt know that his own remains for ever Instead of answering of my Queries thou sayest it seems unreasonable to be put upon answering new while the former are depending I say if the dependency hang in this till thou say thou be satisfied then thou hast all in thy own will then an end till thou will or not will but reason sayes thus in me seeing I have been put upon answering all along both by word and writing and could never refuse to answer in the plainest way I could though not accepted yet that thou should once amongst many return an answer in thy way which if it be more plain then mine the simple may more profit thereby but if thine prove as dark then why should thou condemn me therein unlesse thou will wholly be judge both for me and thy self so let them come forth and let the simple judge Also thy reason speaks not clear to me in this that thou questions the fruitlessnesse of my Queries and that the glory of God doth not appear to thee to be the end of them I say if thy eyē had been single thou should first have questioned thy own and by searching that with the Impartial light thou might have learned if thou would to have suffered me to have shared a little with thee in thy Charity seeing there is not one reason thou alledgest against me but they may fit thy self being rightly applied J. N. A Reply to the fore-going Paper FRiend