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death_n	life_n	sin_n	spirit_n	19,754	5	5.4357	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A44501	The Quakers proved deceivers and such as people ought not to listen to, or follow, but to account accursed, in the management of a charge formerly given out against them to that effect, by J. Horne, preacher of the gospel at South-Lin in Norfolke. Which charge was managed and made good by him against George Whitehead, in the chancel of South-Lin, before some hundreds of people, Jan. 13. 1659. to the great baffling of the said George Whitehead and his party, through the merciful and gracious hand of the Lord appearing for his truth and servants therein, as is known to, and witnessed by the generality of the audience of understanding. Published as a warning to all to beware of the said people called Quakers, and their erroneous principles herein also in part discovered.	Horn, John, 1614-1676.	1660 (1660)	Wing H2807; ESTC R221604	29,025	16

not answering any thing to the purpose divers called to him to answer to the business or else to own himself a Deceiver or to that purpose T. M. Answer then whether Paul was born then of God or believed Jesus to be Christ or to that purpose G. W. You are two to one T. M. We speak both but one thing we ask the same thing G. W. I came not here to satisfie unreasonable men Paul spake at a Jew to the Ju● J. H. Then he spake there false it seems of himself wilt thou say so He b●●ng p●zled about it J. H. said to him Ah George where is thy vaunting Language now as if thou couldst tread down all before thee and thy setting up thy self above God G. W. Thou be●●est me Did I set up my self above God See people how 〈…〉 or to that purpose J. H. Didst thou not set up thy self above God when thou didst reproach me by my G●d as if he would or could not carry me forth against thee He said If thy God will c●●ry thee forth by way of reproach Also I was informed that at Godney they said They would make us ashamed of our God Now if God be the true God as he is what but a setting up themselves above God was this let all judg J. H. Canst thou deny that Paul was born of God when an Apostle or that he believed that Jesus was the Christ G. W. Paul spake to the state of others when he said O wretched man that I am and groaned and waited for the Redemption of the body J. H. Did Paul then witness or experiment the Redemption of his Body from corruption before he dyed G. W. Yea he did witness it T. M. Witness it But Had he it was his body redeemed from corruption before he dyed G. W. Yea he had the Redemption of his body before he dyed J. H. Is not the body sown in corruption when it dyes It is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption G. W. Yea but is not sin corruption J. H. How is it redeemed from corruption before it dye when it is sown in corruption when it dyes G. W. Corruption is sin Pauls body was redeemed from the Law of sin and Death J. H. But is all corruption sin There is a corruption of mortality th●t came in by sin G. W. All corruption is sin or came in by sin and take away the cause and the effect ceases Now we shall prove that he was made free from sin T. M. Answer plainly and prove it from the Scripture That the Redemption of the body that Paul waited for he had it before he dyed For you bring nothing for it ●et but your corrupt Logick in which one as weak as my self might discover its ●alsness G. W. Did I use any Logick what Logick T. M. Where there is freed me from the cause the effect ceases Now that Paul had freedome from sin the cause of corruption before he dyed is that you w●nt about to prove and so to get from the Question J. H. Yea that is Logicall but will not alwayes hold the effect may last when the cause is goue as a house may stand when he that built it is dead but is not that corruption which is in death in which the body corrupteth and did not Paul wait for the Redemption of his body from that G. W. Yea that death that came in by sin but what death was that that cameth by sin he said he asked the Question before I asked what follovvs though I do not remember that he did I. H. What Death came not in by sin G. W. What death came in by sin I. H. I asked thee vvhat death came not in by it G. W. I ask thee a question and thou ansvverest me by asking me an●ther Ansvver my Question I first asked thee I. H. I did not hear that thouaskedst that Question first but thou saidst That death that came in by sin and I asked thee what death came not in by sin G. W. Nay I asked thee first What Death came in by sin and thou refusest to ansvver my Question Is this fair I. H. pe●ceiving he sought occasion to vvinde out from the business in hand by starting another Question if he did first ask it or whensoever he started it replyed I remember not that thou didst ask me that first but however 't is not my business now to answer thy questions that may lead us from the matter in hand My business is now to prove my charge against thee if thou wilt own that that is done I will answer thee thy question G.W. pulling out a book writ by J.H. and T.M. about their former Dispute with him and S.F. would fain have diverted to it and said He would prove J.H. had there bely'd him J.H. Thou hast answered that Book in print the people may see what thou sayst against us there and we shall give it an answer God willing ere long what have we to do with hearing thee read in that book now G.W. I will prove here that J.H. hath here contradicted himself or to that purpose and would fain have been reading J.H. If thou wilt grant I have proved my charg we will hear thee read but if not let me do what I come about Answer me and prove that Paul had the Redemption of his body there spoken of before he dyed G.W. urging yet to read the people told him That was to go from his business and bid him answer to what he was charged with or say the Charg was proved J.H. Did Paul prove the Redemption of his body before his decease for which he waited as he sayes Rom. 8.23 G.W. Yea he did before his decease J.H. Prove that G.W. In Rom 8.2 He sayes The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the Law of sin and death And in another place I can do nothing against the truth but for it J.H. What be these to the purpose Paul said He was made f●ee from the law of sin and death before he said He waited for the adoption the redemption of the body For he sayes that in Rom. 8.2 and yet speaks of waiting for the Redemption of his body after that in ver 23. Therefore what he sayes about his being free from the Law of sin and death could not be the redemption of h●s body that he there mentions for why should he wait for that yet if he before had it did he wait for what he had already Here G.W. was wholly driven from that proof so as we heard no more of it and to help himself betook him to the other G.W. But he sayes in the other place he could do nothing against the truth but for the truth J.H. Could he then do something against the truth when he said He waited for the Redemption of the body The which also T.M. asked G.W. Yea That which waited for the Redemption could for he cryed out Oh wretched man

I undertake to make you ovvn it But to prove you so It s enough the people see it They are to judg vvhether I make good my charge T.M. Either speak something to purpose or acknovvledg thy mouth stopp'd as it hath often been by the force of the truth G.W. He vvould have me acknovvledg my mouth stopt and yet I speak to them and ansvver them T.M. A man may have his mouth stopt though he speak vvhen he speaks to no purpose A mans mouth his stop'd when he cannot resist the wisdome and povver by vvhich the truth is spoken as Act 6. could not resist though yet they are said Act. 7. to have resisted And it appears thy mo●th is stopt because thou runst avvay from the charge to other imper● things J.H. Well George hither to I have made good my charg That you come not as the true Prophets and Apostles thou hast not been able to prove That any of them preach'd themselves free from sin so as to be without sin Thou didst speak of David confessing another state and brought Psal 107.1 All that is within me bless his holy name and from thence wouldst infer that David had no sin in him then for How could sin bless Gods name but David himself implyes the contrary for vers 3. he sayes Who forgiveth all thine iniquity it seems he had some then G.W. They were for given T.M. It is forgiveth in the present time can there be forgiveness of sin if there be no sin he signifies a dayly forgiving or to such purpose G.W. David saith Psal 119.1 There are some underfiled in the way who do no iniquity J.H. Doth David say There are some undefiled he sayes they are blessed that are so but that there are some so at least in such a sense as to have no sin in them he sayes not I am sure he sayes not so of himself That he had no sin in him but implyes the contrary in vers 5 6. when he sayes O that my wayes were so directed that I might keep thy statutes as implying they were not yet so And again Then shall I not be ashamed when I shall have respect to all thy Commandements he doth not say He had then such respect to them all G.W. Doth not David say there are some undefiled when he sayes blessed are the undefiled in the way and doth not every sin defile therefore he Witnesled some had a sinless state or to that purpose J.H. He sayes undefiled in the way Christ is the way We grant some undefiled and compleat in Christ but not so as to be sinless in themselves Is not undefiled perfect G.W. Yea undefiled is perfect J. H. A man may be perfect in a Scripture sense and yet have sin Asa's heart was perfect with the Lord all his dayes and yet he sinned G.W. When was that written of him J.H. Surely after his death how else should they say what he was all his dayes G.W. Nay it might be written before and so all his dayes till that was written his heart was perfect for afterward he relyed not on the Lord but sought to the Physicians his heart was not perfect then J.H. How could the Hystory of his life and death be written but after his death It is not said all those dayes or till such a time but his heart was perfect all his dayes a part of his dayes is n●t all his dayes his heart was perfect in that he walked not between God and Baal or an● fa●se-wo●ship G.W. He might be perfect all his dayes till then that was written but if the righteous man turn 〈◊〉 his right●o●sness and co●mit miquity his righteousness shall not be mentioned J.H. H●● heart was perfect all his dayes his righteousness is mentioned It is not said 〈◊〉 turned 〈◊〉 being perfect-hearted G.W. He was but one J.H. I● one that had sin in him or sinned might be yet called perfect-hearted then why not tw● o● twenty or an hundred He would sain have been reading in J. H's book but he told him it was besides the b●siness Wh●●● w● were busie in our discourse came Giles Rose a poor deluded man that was one of the ●●st ●hat turned Q●aker in the Town of Lin but upon some account or other doth not throughly ●w● th●m but is est●ded at them and as it hath been said objected sometimes against them some 〈…〉 ●ges between some of their speakers and a woman of them He had made an inter●●p●●on two dayes before of another dispute between G.VV. and another Mi●ster in the Town The people hea●ing him begin at a distance like a kin●e of distracted man to call out and seeing him coming made some commotion some of them crying to have him carryed away that he might not ●ake any dist●●ce o● interruption of the Dispute but that he ●ight proceed and others ●●ging him in and setting him in the midst of us who began first to one party and then to 〈◊〉 to play the part of a Prophet in his conception against us for disp●ting and variance● 〈◊〉 for ●oos●ning the ●●e of love taxing G. VV. and his party for drawing away Wives from them 〈…〉 Children from their Parents Servants from their Masters c. To whome GEORGE spake a word or two ●ebuking his way as deceit T.M. See the 〈…〉 thy ministry George the people laught thy Principles are sur● to lead 〈◊〉 to dest●actions G.W. He is none of ●●e fruit of my Ministry I. A. Your Principles or Ministry led a Brother of mine I am sure into destraction I H. Yes I am a witnesse of that so he fell to my knowledge out of Quaking fits within a very little space into destraction and within a fortnight died G. W. It was before I came to this Towne I. H. But not before yonr Principles and Doctrine came after some time of interruption by the aforesaid Giles when a little quiet was obtained I. H. fell on againe I. H. I have made good my charge against you George as not coming as the true Apostles and Prophets use to do I shall a little speak to the other part in one argument because I see time goes a way 'T is this they that under-mine and destroy the hope of the Gospel preached by the Apostles they are preachers of another Gospel or Doctrine then the Apostles preached and are to be accounted accursed and not received or followed This I charge you Quakers with and you G. W. by name in that you say the coming of Christ at which the dead in Christ are to be raised is already past and over They that so do subvert the hope of the Gospel Mind it people They that say the coming of Christ wherin the dead in Christ are to be raised is past and over they subvert or under-mine the hope of the Gosple for if Christ be come in his glory and the Saints raised that were dead and the living changed and all together caught up in the aire to meete the Lord what