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A84075 Ministers for tythes, being a manifest proof that these men are no ministers of the Gospel, who follow the magistrate for a worldly maintenance, and fee the lawyers to plead for tythes. By Willam [sic] Erbery. Erbery, William, 1604-1654. 1653 (1653) Wing E3232; Thomason E714_26; ESTC R201950 3,273 8

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MINISTERS FOR TYTHES BEING A manifest proof That these Men are No MINISTERS of the GOSPEL Who follow the Magistrate for a worldly maintenance and Fee the Lawyers to plead for Tythes By WILLAM ERBERY But they shall proceed no farther for their folly shall be manifest unto All men 2 Tim. 3.9 London Printed by J.C. For Giles Calvet at the Signe of the Black spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1653. TO Doctor SEAMAN Doctor BURGESS AND The rest of the Ministers FOR TYTHES Gentlemen I Have been a Minister of the Church of England as you are Master of Arts of both Universities and might have been Dr. in Divinity as well as you had I so much mony as the Ministers have in their purses But coming last Wednesday to the Committee for Tythes I expected there the Ministers for Tythes Sept. 2. to hear what they could say for themselves A Committee for Tythes is a proper name Honourable and honest men being on a debate for Tythes on a civil account in point of Law but Ministers for Tythes is such a thing and Ministers of the Gospel to demand it as their spiritual due it s such a monster that it made my Welsh blood to rise at your English religion I heard that Dr. Seaman was that day to prove himself and his fellows Ministers of the Gospel but because he is a Godly man and may serve to make a Chaplain for the Navy at Sea I shall rather deal with Dr. Burges because he is a landed man and has a great deal of money being the better Sailer who can shift his Sail and turn with the winde Rev. 18.17 for as the Ministers are Merchants so they are those Ship-masters and Seamen who have all the trade this day Truly I will not meddle with Dr. Burges his money nor covet his Achans wedge onely because his Babylonish Garment is so thredbare I took him once for a poor Sir John or Welsh Curate not for a Dr. or rich Divine he was so meanly clad No wonder that he and his brethren Petition for maintenance for the Rich Ministers are the poorest Men of the Nation but because I see the Priests and University-Doctors joyn together for Tythes I 'll tell them a Geneva note worth their learning Act. 6.9 The first bloody persecution of the Church of Christ began from a council of Priests with the suggestion of University-Doctors And I believe the last persecution of the Church and of Christ in the Spirit The Churches of Devon Exeter Bastabl● c. wil be by such for as the present Churches comply with the Presbyters in this of a setled maintenance so this being onely by Tythes or some like thing these must be accounted persecuters of the Spirit as well those I will not speak of men how much they suffer by this but the blood of God is shed this way yea shed in vain when made but the blood of a dead man Act. 20.28 Rev. 16.3 Joh. 19.24 Act. 1.4 5. 'T was water and blood came forth from Christs side in his death to shew that the Spirit of life or living water was shed forth with it as 't is exprest Act. 2.32 the promise of the Father and power from on high or Baptism of the Spirit Act. 13.2 being onely that which constituted a Gosple-Church and made Ministers of Gospel to go forth without this is not onely to deceive men but to deny God to crucifie Christ to stifle the Spirit and strangle the babe even the new-born glory Zach. 2.5 6 7 8. Dan. 7.27 beginning to rise on the Saints of the most High The Saints of the most high being men whom the Ministers know not I shal forbear to busy their heads with this only because the Committee have business enough besides and better work to do then to wait on Ministers for Tythes therefore I shall propose two words to their Honours consideration 1. That you have not the Mission Nor 2. 1 Tim. 4.14 2 Tim. 1.6 The Maintenance of Gospel-Ministers this day I say not the Mission nor Commission of Christ because no gift of the Spirit by laying on of hands You are all Antichristian Priests and Parliament-converts at best I speak not of your persons but of your proper office 't is Antichristian being made Ministers by holy orders Deacons and Priests therefore you plead for Tythes having not repented of your Episcopal ordination nor publikely disowned your Mission by them Ezek. 45.10 11 Thus being not ashamed of your whoredoms nor putting away the carcases of your Kings or Bishops you cannot see the pattern of the House of God the fashion and form thereof the going out and the coming in thereof and the ordinances thereof Secondly What are you but Parliamentary converts not like Master Stronge who was of the Kings Army a Cavalier Chaplaine now an Independant Pastor but you are so weak that you are faln not onely from your old professed forms of Parish Churches Common-prayers mixt communions c. but far below French and Scots Presbytery who live not by Tithes as you do like legal Priests nor having any tincture of a Priestly Ordination Secondly As your Mission so your maintenance is not according to the Gospel being meerly by custome compulsion or compact with the people contrary to the express command of Christ and practice of the Apostle who lived next to God on the Free contribution of the people First Matth. 10.9 10. saith Christ The laborer is worthy of his hire that is when he sent them forth without money in their purse therefore money or a customary pay is not according to Christ Secondly If we have sewen spirituals is it a great thing that we should reap your carnal things 1 Cor. 9.11 Mark this is said onely to the Church Again if to the world those who have received spirituals ought to return their temporals else how can Ministers in reason seek to reap where no fruit grows Again if any of the unconverted world are willing to give 't is God and not man Who can hinder their free-gift Thirdly saith the Apostle Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the Gospel 1 Cor. 9.14 should live of the Gospel True 't is ordained of God not by Ordinance of Parliament Again you must Preach the Gospel that I question Eph. 3.3 5. Col. 4.3 4. and you can never answer as I'lle tell you another time the Gospel being a Mystery you know not nor can manifest to men Againe to live of the Gospel is not by custome compulsion or compact from people but by divine providence on that power and love of God in Men to whom the Gospel is preached who would freely give if you had that glad tydings to teach But because you still oppress their estates and spirits by your legal teaching and Tythes 1 Cor. 9.18 therefore you are far from making the Gospel without charge which Scripture you dare not mention to the Committee Lastly let it appear to the Parliament and people of the Nation that you are Ministers of the Gospel that you have a Mission and Commission from Christ and the maintenance of Christ also you may have liberty to preach the Gospel freely and go where you will which is more then ever your forefathers saw and a greater favour then any Governors of England gave to the godly preachers or people of God If you 'l plead still for Tythes as your right by law of the land much more might the Bishops do for theirs who had the law for them yet no lawyer to plead their cause these fell to a worse condition then you are yet having not the fifth nor a farthing of all their Lordly revenues allowed for their wives and children The same wrath is coming on you apace if love carry you not forth freely to Minister the Gospel to men but this you cannot do therefore you must dye in want though you are never so wealthy that 's your doom Ah blessed God! how good men and godly Ministers are discovered this day Sure 't is the day of God because 't is the discovery of man Isa 40.5 6. to make all flesh bare before him and the goodliness of the flesh to wither also The man of sin and Mystery of iniquity must be first manifest in the Saints that 's a Mystery indeed I mean fully manifest 't was revealed in part before Isa 40.5 6. in the Popish and prelatique Clergy Again 't was no dispute but their own discovery threw them down That is by their iniquity the Mystery of iniquity came forth 'T was blood in the Papists pride in the Prelates persecution covetousness and cunning designes in the Presbyter and others makes it appear to All Men they are no Ministers of the Gospel But Ministers for Tyths I was forced in my Spirit to write this to the world to whom the Lord God will speak good things when all the Ministry of Man is silent The Lord will be terrible to them for he will famish all the Gods of the earth Then men shall worship him every one from his place even all the Isles of the Heathen Zeph. 2.11 FINIS