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A40227	The papists strength, principles, and doctrines (which they are sworn to preach, from the Councel of Trent, by the Popes authority, and after confirmed by the last General Assembly at Rouen, 1571, all which they have sworn to perform) answered and confuted furthermore their principles and doctrines answered and confuted, as they were laid down in two or three severall papers, by R.W. papist, lately sent from Holland : also a challenge to the pope and all his adherents to choose out of all his dominions some cardinals, fryers, or Jesuits to try their bread and wine, after consecration (by watching on their side and on our side) to prove that if afterward they have consecrated it, whether the bread and wine doth not loose its taste and savour, and so not the body and blood of Christ : also a paper to all them that fast and afflict themselves who are in the will-worship and voluntary humility : also some quæries to all the papists upon earth to be answered in writing and sent to them, which all sects upon the earth call Quakers / by George Fox.	Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669.	1658 (1658)	Wing F1877; ESTC R3577	83,037	105

sutable proofs for the Pope and sutable examples First the Priest-hood is ended they were never in that latitude neither are you to be measured with them neither do any true Christians As for Esau and wicked Magistrates the fruits of this amongst you has appeared and the wicked must bow before the just and Esau the elder must be a seruant to the younger and salvation is come out of Sion who judges the mount of Esau and is gathering the elect Jacob who rides over the high places of the earth which have set up your Images but you have shewed the fruits of Esau who are slaying and killing the just But who be in the power of Christ who hath all power in heaven and earth given unto him be out of Esau's and be o' th top on his mount and answers the Elect. Pr. He saith that Purgatory is a temporall punishment to faithfull persons after death who have not done due pennance for their sins in their life time so must do pennance after death Answ. The faithful persons that be in the true faith of Gods Elect which is the mistery held in a pure conscience which gives victory over the world purifies the heart by which men are justified and please God This gives them victory over death sin hell and all that which you do pennance for Now they that be reprobate concerning this faith are doing pennance all their lifetime and say they must have a Purgatory to do pennance when their life is ended and so all poor people you have a pittiful thing to passe through a fire before you be purified And as for Christs and the Apostles and Saints sufferings you are found in that nature that caused the just always to suffer and as for your Doctrine of Purgatory it is come up since the days of the Apostles amongst the Apostates the Devill has set it up who is out of the truth by his power since he set up his Synagogue but who be in the faith be over his Purgatory and synagogues and the Doctrine of it which is come up since the dayes of the Apostles for which there is no Scripture for the Saints which believed had passed from death to life and so from the Purgatory For purgatory is in the death he that passeth from it comes over Purgatory and death both to reigne with Christ here you shew your selves you are not believers Pr. The receiving of the Sacrament thou saist is not for the cleansing of you from sin but for the nourishment of your souls the body and blood of Christ being in it Answ. Why do you and the Protestants kill one another about such things seeing that you say the body and blood of Christ is in the Sacrament the bread and wine And the Protestants say in it is the spirit of Christ as you may look in a book called the Scotch Principles and in their Catechisms and is it not the same blood that cleanseth which nourishes How are you confused in this and put to your shifts I have heard talk of Papists and Jesuites were witty men but I see it is at an end and that which nourishes the immortall soule is not the mortal creatures ye are deceived in thinking so and the Protestants both that which nourishes the soul is Christ the power of God who is the Bishop of it the life the truth the power of God which is the immortall souls food and not the bread that will perish and things that will perish which those looked after that followed Christ for a time which was in the perishing minde which laboured after the perishing things and laboured not for the bread which comes downe from above which indures to eternall life which who eats of it hungers no more And so that is the Devils doctrine and the apostates which is got up since the days of the Apostles which tels people after they have consecrated the bread and wine it is the body and blood of Christ which Christ said bread would perish for his flesh saw no corruption Nor his body would not perish nor his blood that cleanseth from the dead works through which blood they overcome death and the word and power gives every creature its being without the consecration but that which nourishes the immortal soul is the mortal and man lives not by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God and this is Christs doctrine and the others is the Devils and apostates out of the life and power of Christ that saith men must live by bread alone Pr. Christ useth the Priest in the hands of a workman to make the Sacrament which is the body and bloud of Christ he saith that the formes of bread and wine which will corrupt cannot take away sin And after consecration it is not bread and wine but the very body and bloud of Christ Answ. In this you have shewed your confusion and unestablished state was it the very body and bloud of Christ that made the Corinthians drunk and in this thou hast confounded thy self in saying that the formes of bread and wine which is the very body and bloud of Christ will corrupt after consecration then the Ministers work in this thou hast spoyled who are the consecraters for the body and bloud of Christ will not corrupt nor perish which bread and wine will but that which gives bread and wine their being will never corrupt for bread and wine is a thing that is seen and though the Apostle said what he had received of the Lord that did he deliver to the Corinthians how that the same night the Lord Jesus was betrayed he took the cup and the bread when he had given thanks saying as oft as they did eate that bread and drink that cup they shewed the Lords death till he came and the Apostles delivered this to the Corinthians then in the second Epistle he brings them off from the things that are seen to the things vvhich are not seene which were eternal for bread and wine were things seen and temporal and bids them prove and examin themselves whether or no Christ was come know you not your own selves how that Jesus Christ is in you except you be reprobates and he is the living bread that came down from above who gives life unto the world and he that eates of this bread lives and abides for ever And as for thy word Sacrament we do not find that word expressed in Scripture nor where the Apostles spoke by Mary as you do who adore your own words that are Apostatized from the life them that witness Christ the substance in them they see the end of all things is come Christ Jesus him by whom all things was made who is the end of all things him is possest Such are not reprobates but reprobates and Judas may stick in the outward things as the Jewes did whose table was a trap and eyes blinded as you do who are inwardly ravened from the

lives unto the death And sometimes they have been more visible and sometimes lesse yet two or three that know the name of Christ and live in the power of Christ Christ is in the midst of them and they may be truly said to be a Church of Christ and these God hath promised to be with who believeth in Christ the power of God to the end of the world and against these the gates of hell shall never prevail And whereas thou saist He gave some Apostles and some Evangelists Pastors and Teachers for the worke of the Ministry for the perfecting of the Saints This is granted and it did and doth effect the same end for which he gave it But when ordained he the Popes the Cardinals the Fryars the Monks the Jesuites the Nun● for the work of the Ministry or whether have any of all these effected the same things which the Apostles did by their gifts But rather on the contrary They have perverted the straight way of the Lord and have made the word of God of none effect by their traditions and hath introduced and brought in those things to be observed amongst people which God hath neither commanded nor commended but on the contrary forbidden and condemned 3 Prin. That all those people or Congregations or meetings or Churches which have not been constantly visible from Christs time till now are not nor cannot be the Church of Christ and then thou makes this conclusion that the Roman Church can shew its constant and successive visibility from Christs time till now therefore the Roman Church must needs be the Church of Christ Answ. By thy own words thou hast proved your Church to be no Church of Christ neither your officers and Ministers to be Ministers of Christ for Matthew Mark Luke and John Peter Paul and the rest of the Apostles makes no mention of any such officers as Po●es Cardinals Fryars Monks nor Jesuites neither of any such doctrine did they allow of as you preach to wit the doct●ine of Devils in forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats wch God hath created and also teac●ing to make Images and set up Images and Idols and also teaching to burn and kill and destroy them whom you call Hereticks which Christ nor none of the Apostles ever did So that it is manifest from the Scripture of truth that your visible Church was not always since Christs day for Peter Paul and many of the Apostles lived after Christs day and they make no mention of any such ministry doctrine or practice as is found amongst you onely foretels of you and prophesies of you that Antichrist should come Deceivers should come and false prophets should come and Peter whose successors you say you are he foretold of you and hath left his testimony against you against them who preach for filthy lucre those things the Apostles taught not Amongst many things this is one in teaching and making people believe a purgatory after they be dead and this was invented by you to get filthy lucre and to get dishonest gain Another thing to give pardons that you may get money and filthy lucre so that it is manifest you are none of Peters successors but are apostatized from the faith from the doctrine from the practice of Christ of the Churches of Christ in the dayes of the Apostles and were not visible then nor counted the Church of Christ by any in many years a●ter the decease of the Apostles But the false Prophets that Christ spake should come which John and Paul and Peter saw creeping in then who erred from the faith and apostatized from the truth who subverted whole housholds from the faith there 's your originall they that did subvert and they that were subverted and held part of the form of godlinesse denyed the power there is the beginning of your visible Church Antichrists false Prophets Seducers and seduced you are their successors and from thence your visibility came to be seen in the world So in that which I have said doth clearly evidence that you have not constantly visibly had the name of a Church since Christs time although you call your selves the ancient Church And I say unto thee in thine owne words Except thou be bewitched and possessed with a spirit of blindnesse here is enough to convince thee and all thy visible members that your Roman Church is not so ancient as Christ nor the Apostles But you are quite another thing which hath sprung up since and are apostatized from the Doctrine and from the Faith which the Churches which were before you were in as the Church at Jerusalem at Antioch and the rest of the Churches which had received the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ without respect of persons from which faith you are now reprobated 4 Principle Thou saist that Luther Calvin Memno Beza and others were first popish Priests and those that followed them was first of the Church of Rome and these thou saist fell from the Faith and were accounted by you Hereticks and sayes they ought to produce more evidence for their faith which they professed being separated from you then you need to do from whom they separated Answ. They are Hereticks who denies the true foundation and who erre from the true faith which the Saints possessed and and lived in But your visible Church have left the true foundation and have erred from the faith which Christ and the Apostles declared and lived in therefore you are the Hereticks Therefore Luther Calvin Memno and Beza and the rest seeing your Doctrine Principles and Faith to be contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and the Primitive Churches God opening their eyes and let them see that you had innovated and brought in another Doctrine and other practices then had been taught or practised amongst the Apostles therefore they denyed yo● in many things although they were not clearly come off your principles nor did not see clearly thorow your deceit yet so far as they saw by the light of the Lord they bore testimony against you and gave a clearer demonstration that you were out of the faith then you ever did or can do that you were in the Faith But that is made manifest in this the day of the Lords power which sees over you and beyond you and comprehends your ground and all the body of your Religion which stands in imitations imaginations inventions and traditions And further thou saith that you can bring more Scripture for your Catholique doctrin then they that are separated from you and thou brings two Scriptures to prove some of your doctrine and sayest that the Church of Rome teaches that Christs body is reall in the Sacrament for which thou brings the 11 Cor. 23 24. verses which proves nothing to the purpose for the body of Christ is incorruptible and saw no corruption But bread corrupt● and will corrupt notwithstand●ng all your consecration but as concerning this I shall refer the

the same bread and the same wine of the which you have consecrated part and set them both together and let us have a watch over them seven of our side and seven of your side and see if that bread and wine do not corrupt and perish which ye have consecrated as well as the other which is not consecrated and prove not divine and prove not immortall but mortall as the other and if the bread and wine change not its taste then we will say it 's the body of Christ if it do not and ye will not prove deceivers But if it prove bread and wine and loose its taste and alter its property then acknowledg your selves to be deceivers but if it corrupt not but prove the body of Christ then the Protestants may acknowledge they have wronged you and be of your religion but if that prove to be bread and prove to be wine and mortall and not divine then shall you deny all your religion and acknowledge that you have wronged the Protestants and turn to the Truth So if you dare adventure to try your Christ openly and bring him out to the Light and see whether he will stand and whether he will not corrupt for the flesh of Christ which the Scripture speaks of saw no corruption So now if you will take a publique consideration and give a publique meeting after send to any of them in England called Quakers and let there be a publique tryall and his word that comes to passe shall be the true Prophet and his word that doth not shall be the false Prophet which ye are if the bread and wine corrupt and prove not divine and immortall These things have been taught for Doctrines about which there hath been fightings slaying and killing and much blood spilt so that your weapons are but carnall and not spi●ituall and there hath beene a great deale of profession of these things and a great denyall Now if you will try them publiquely if they stand you will come off with honour and give over fighting and killing one another about Religion but in patience and meeknesse let it be tryed and this will bring truth to light and honour to God If you dare not come to the light to a publique tryall and ye being so many Nations and Dominions acknowledge your selves to be Apostates and Deceivers and so fall under the truth and let the white horse go over you 13 Prin. I hold most constantly that there is one Purgatory and that the souls that are therein retained are helped by the supplications of the faithful 14 Prin. Likewise that one ought to honour and invoke or pray to the Saints which reigne with Jesus Christ and that they offer to God their supplication for us and that one ought to honour their Reliques Answ. The Scripture speaks of no purgatory and he that believes hath passed from death unto life and shall never dye nor come into condemnation And the wicked shall be turned into hell and all that forget God and death and hell must go into the lake of fire and God who breathed the breath of life into man by which man became a living soul he hath all souls in his hand and the honour which the Scripture speaks of it is owned but the honour which is given to the Saints from that are you apostatized and so your praying to Saints and for the dead is in the purgatory already your souls in the death so your soules are lean who feeds your fleshly minds with similitudes images Crosses Crucifixes old Reliques pieces of cloath or old bones which you call reliques of Saints so are full of dead mens bones a generation of murderers whose souls stands lean and bound and captivated and wants the vertue of the immortall food 15 Prin. I assure most firmely that one ought to have and to hold the Image of Jesus Christ and of the Mother of God alwayes Virgin and of the other Saints and render to them the honour and the veneration which appertains to them 16 Prin. I affirm yet that Jesus Christ hath left in the Church the power of Indulgences and that the use thereof is extreamly healing unto the people christian Answ. The power which ye have set up in your Church which gives the honour to the Image of Mary the Image of Christ and the other Saints that I do believe you that which you should give to Christ you give to Images but this doth but shew and make you manifest to be apostatiz●d from the Apostles who had the minde of Christ and the image of the Son of God in them so this Church and its power is apostatized from the true Church and its power who are giving honour to the image of Christ Mary and the Saints which was not the work of the Apostles and Mary their saying ever a Virgin had not she children after to Joseph and when they said behold thy mother and thy brethren stand without desiring to speak with thee c. Is this the rise and ground of this word God-father and God-mother when your children are sprinkled Papists and Protestants 17 Prin. I know the holy Church Catholique Apostolique and Romane to be the Mother and Mistris of all the Churches and promise and swear true obedience to the Bishop of Rome successor of St. Peter Prince of the Apostles and Vicar of Jesus Christ Answ. I do believe you your Church as you call it Catholique is the Mistress and hath been the Mother of all Churches false of Babylon and the mother of the harlots from the true Church the Apostles and Saints was in in the Apostacy which hath been held up by the Sword Fires Faggots Inquisitions of the Popes and quite out of the faith of Peter who said render to no man evill for evill but if any man offend you ye will render evill again And for saying Peter was the Prince will ye give Paul the lye who said he came behinde none of the Apostles And Christ said He that would be greatest should be least and that there should be no Lordship exercised amongst them one over another And every man should have but his penny that went into the Vineyard 18 Prin. I receive also and professe without any doubt all other things which have been taught defined and declared by the sacred Canons and Councels universall and principally by the sacred holy Councel of Trent together all things contrary and all the heresies condemned rejected and anathematized by the Church I them condemn reject and anathematize likewise Answ. I do believe you who are bound up in the Apostacy from the true Church of the Apostles to that which your Councell hath set up without doubt but your tryall is not yet come and your selves you do not know as for that because your Councell Pope and Bishop their traditions of their own inventions and profession and Church and all things belonging to it hath been held up by an outward Sword Fires Faggots

and hath showed himself and hath put on strength who treads the wine press of the wrath who travels in the greatness of his strength out of whose mouth goes a sharp two-eged Sword which shall dash all to pieces Consuming fire is before him ten thousands of his Saints is vvith him and he in them they go on in his strength Conquering and to Conquer Arme your selves cast up your Batteries come all to the battel of the great day of God and see if you be able to stand against the Lord for he hath manifest his wisdome from above which will confound all your deceit For we esteem no more of your Arguments then straw nor of your devised Fables no more then rotten wood For you are all rounded as with a hoop and measured as with a line your beginning is in the Apostacy your rise in the night of darkness your strength lies in ignorance and your end will be utter darkn●sse and this shall stand true when your place shall be no more found nor one stone left upon another which shall not be thrown down And now I come to the answer of the substance of thy Arguments and Principles First thou says This is good Catholique Doctrine that a man may have the true faith and yet lead a sinfull life And further that a wicked man and a godly hath true faith and it doth not differ a whit in matter or substance in the godly and ungodly Now to say one hath faith and not the other is against all sence and reason thou saith Answ. I do believe thee that this is thy Catholique doctrine but I cannot call it good for then I should erre like thy selfe for this Doctrine is contrary to the doctrine of the Gospel for true faith is that which the just lives by Hab. 2.4 And that which the just lives by is pure the matter of it by it he is cleansed and the faith of the godly stands in the power of God and that is a pure thing And he that hath the true faith hath the faith of Christ who is truth from whence it comes and it leads out of sin and a sinfull life gives victory over sin This is the victory even your faith By faith the godly stands 2 Cor. 1.24 And by faith the godly walks 2 Cor. 5.7 But on the contrary a wicked mans faith if thou call it faith is called a feigned faith and a dead faith and is centred in him who hath the power of death which is the D●vill and this is another thing for matter and substance and is a distinct thing and by the fruits and effects the true faith is ●nown from the reprobates in the different operations and so this is a devillish doctrine thou hast laid down to wit that they are one in matter for this is contrary to Scripture sense and reason and is an unreasonable position laid downe and ●●●firmed from thy unreasonable minde which is erred from the true faith And again the faith of the godly and ungodly differs in effe●ts but not in regard of the faith it self thou saith and here is thy confusion manifest and thou saist all the five senses will teach you That a man may be chaste in his minde and yet be angry and he may be temperate and yet want patience Thou that hath no other thing to teach thee but the five S●nses art sensual and knows not the spirit For a man to be chaste and yet angry is a false thing he that is angry and intemperate is not chast but joyned to that which adulterates for these are the Devils conceptions and works they and in whom these are brought forth is not chast but is in Cains way and in Dives way and thou saist if you can conceive this that a man may have true faith and yet want godlinesse of life and conversation thy conception is false For he that is temperate and chaste and lives in that which makes him so wants not charity nor patience for the true faith of Gods elect purges from all sin and that faith is reprobate where ungodlinesse is brought forth and contrariwise thou saith a man may be of an honest and godly conversation and yet want faith utter darknesse is thy dwelling place and thou speaks out of thick darknesse Is there a conversation godly or like God lived in where there is no faith or honesty where there is no faith that 's utterly false for these are the fruits of faith of a lively faith for honesty and a godly conversation is the works which proceeds from a true and living faith as the Scriptures witnesse and these things thou saith thou thought good to commend to consideration Thou that thought these things good cals evill good and good evill and art in blindnesse and I have considered of the things and I never heard of so much blindnesse uttered by one who would seem to be a teacher of others And now I come to that which follows 2 P●●n That the people or Church of Christ hath been alwayes visible not only in the beginning or in the Apostles dayes But also since the Apostles dayes even untill now and shall be to the end of the world And for this thou saist Christ hath promised that the gates 〈…〉 shall not prevail against it but that he will be with them till 〈◊〉 end of the world and for this end thou saist the Apostle said Ephes. 4. That he hath given some to be Apostles some Evangelists for the worke of the Ministry till we all come to the unity of faith and unto the stature and fulnesse of Christ Answ. The Church of God in the beginning in the Prophets dayes Christs dayes the Apostles dayes and since the Apostles hath always been in God and hath always been invisible as to the eye of the world which could never discern them nor wherein their communion stood with God yet notwithstanding there hath always been men and people who feared God and believed in the invisible God whom the world never knew to be such but always did persecute and they that did persecute have named themselves to be the Church of God Yet notwithstanding all this there hath been in all ages some that hath born a visible testimony against the world that lyes in wickedness and against the false Prophets Seducers Deceivers and Antichrists and these that bore their testimony against all these before mentioned they were in the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ and declared against their Idolatry in all ages and these Christ promised that the gates of hell should not prevail against them And although the gates of Hell did not prevail against their bodies or outward man yet never prevailed against the rock Christ upon which they were builded but hath always been with them in the deepest suffering and greatest ffli●ction and hath preserved them faithfull unto death so that they have not denyed his testimony nor the word of his patience for they have not loved their