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A43051 The lying prophet discovered and reproved in an answer to several particulars in a book called The Quakers downfal, said to be written by Lawrence Claxton ... : with several of his damnable doctrines ... : also twelve particulars which he and his companion Lodowick Muggleton uttered ... / given forth ... by a Friend of truth, John Harwood. Harwood, John.; Muggleton, Lodowick, 1609-1698. 1659 (1659) Wing H1103A; ESTC R40951 15,593 23

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That the Devils Kingdom and reasons Kingdom are one 12. That God doth damn as well as save and that not for any evil thing done as he hath asserted in p. 58. 13. That we acknowledge no other God but what is within us 14. And that we conceive this God was an infinite nothing and so made all things of nothing 15. That the light in us is darkness 16. That an infinite spirit without a body is nothing 17. That we say God hath no form 18. That all the time Paul was clothed with a corrupt persecuting spirit he was a vessel of honour in the account of God 19. That God is all Faith and no Reason and that Reason is of the nature of the Devil p. 31. 20. That it was the wisdom of the flesh that made a chief Magistrate as in p. 36. This and much more of the like nature hath proceeded from the imagination of thy sensual wisdom which thou calls the Revelation of thy generated faith and many railing reviling expressions against us wch thou calls Quakers wch I shall pass by as not being worth mentioning but for all these things thou must give an account and terrible and dreadful will the day day of account be unto thee who hath uttered so many horrible blasphemies lies and false accusations against the God of life who is a spirit and against his people and also goes about in thy sensual wisdom to make a difference amongst believers as if God answered some and not others L. C. pag. 41. thou sayes that thou canst not find that ever God did hear or give an answer to any private believer Answ Which is false for God hears and answers all believers it is the lyar and unbeliever that God neither hears nor answers The whole houshold of faith who are the family of heaven of one heart one soul and one spirit in and thorow faith have all accesse to him and acceptance with him all heard and answered by the Lord God who is near unto them even in their hearts to hear their requests and to answer their demands and also to relieve their necessities and there is no difference in true believers the devisions and differences are amongst the unbelievers and the wicked it were in vain for such as thou calls private believers to pray or believe if God shall neither hear nor answer them in this all the whole houshold of faith will deny thee witnes against thee who have all been heard and answered of God in this also hast thou discovered thy folly L. C. Likewise sayes in the 42. p. I shall reveal unto you the difference of a Commissionate faith from a generated faith and how the one is ceased the other not c. Answ Where dost thou read of a commissionate or a generated Faith in the holy Scriptures here thou art not guided by the Scripture nor the Spirit that gave it forth Faith is but one Eyb 4.5 the gift of God not to be devided the Mystery held in a pure Conseience by which all Gods children had and have victory over the world John 5.4 its nature and life and in it reigned over the prince and power of darkness as all who be in the Faith will witness one Faith one Lord one Baptism and that it is not ceased nor never ceaseth but remaineth and endureth in the Church of God the Assembly of the first-born his Elect in which they have all access to and acceptance with God but this Faith and charity thou art out of which is manifested inthe Saints by which they live and please-God L.C. He saith The nature of Reason is to cheat injure and persecute his neighbour c. p. 47. Answ That is false It is the nature of Reason to do the thing which is reasonable it is contrary to Reason to cheat lye and persecute such are out of pure Reason that do such things unreasonable men like thy self L.C. Likewise saith For as the Law was made for the lawless viz. The Seed of Reason c. p. 49. Answ This is also false The law is not made for the Seed of Reason which is added because of transgression and made for the lawless the Law is grounded upon pure Reason and the lawless and transgressors are out of the Reason in the unreasonableness So the Law hath power over them to condemn them pure Reason is Law and what is contrary is no Law and in this also hast thou opened thy folly L.C. Also saith Blasphemy is matter of Conscience as you call it so in Christs Kingdom c. p. 50 51. Answ This is another of thy horrible lyes Blaspemy errour deceit lyes and iniquity is in the Devils kingdom in which thou art and not in the peaceable Kingdom of Christ into which no unclean thing can enter blaspemers are shut out of it and hath no part in it L.C. Doth likewise say The blind Quakers are labouring through the fire of their own Righteousness intending to find rest but cannot c. p. 53. Answ The fire which they have laboured in is a mystery to thee if ever thou come to know it and feel the heat of it it will be a dreadful time unto thee and our own righteousness and unrighteousness in the Lords fiery furnace is consumed and consuming and the righteousness of the Lord is our covering which can stand in the everlasting burnings and in it many of us can witness true peace rest and sweet comfort which is satisfactory to our Souls notwithstanding thy lyes and false accusations which cannot touch us to hurt us glory to our God for ever but they will one day come heavy upon thee and be thy burthen L.C. Blasphemously sayes This I know God could die c. p. 58. Answ This is horrible blasphemy to say that the everliving God could die who is eternal life Gen. 21.33 remains the same in substance nature life and being to all eternity who was before death was before any thing had a form Deut. 33.27 gives every thing its form life to every thing that liveth and is the Spirit and life of all flesh never slumbers nor sleeps immortal eternal unchangeable if he dyes he changes and lives not ever Thou sottish man how doth thy sensual wisdom blind and deceive thee can the unchangeable God dye who can change all things in a moment Mal. 3.6 in the twinkling of an eye which is changeable But in this as well as before he hath largely manifested his ignorance concerning the immortal unchangeable God Jam. 1.17 in whom there is no variableness nor shadow of turning but the death and suffering of Christ in the flesh we believe own and bear witness unto according to the Scripture of Truth And likewise at Richard Whitpans house in East-Cheap in London in a discourse with some of us this ensuing confusion proceeded from the mouth of this lying prophet and his companion who stiles himself the alone true and faithful messenger of Christ but the understanding Reader may easily discern whose messenger he is by his Message unto which I shall refer thee which is as followeth taken from their own mouthes as it was uttered by them at the same time 1. L.C. Said he would prove God to be a man flesh and bones as we are 2. Lodowick Mugleton his companion that he had more knowledge in the Scriptures then they that gave them forth 3. L.C. Said he had nothing of God in him 4. L.C. Said he would prove nothing and before said he would prove what their God was 5. L.C. Said The Devil was the Author of this light in the world and Christ saith I am the light of the world c 6. He said he would never eat nor drink with George Fox Ju. for he was damned to all Eternity but shortly after said he would drink with him to morrow 7. He also said he was the judge of the Scriptures and all must believe the meanings he gives unto them yet would shew no reason for it 8. L.C. Likewise said he had damned the Lord Mayor seven or eight years ago and 1000 more within this eight years and that he had justified forty or fifty 9. He pronounced damnation to George Fox Ju. and to John Harwood and said several times he would speak no more to them yet after did and said also he would answer no question but after did 10. He said his God was in heaven above the Stars and no where else a man or person 11. He said the words in the Scripture in the 4. chap. of John doth not prove God to be a Spirit where Christ said God is a spirit yet be pretended to own the Scriptures 12. One of them said that a spirit hath flesh blood and bones contrary to Christs words WE whose names are here subscribed were present in the Chamber when these last twelve Particular passages were spoken by Lawrance Claxton and Lodowick Mugleton and much more of the like nature not worth the mentioning and this is published for no other end but the manifesting of deceit and deceivers and the clearing of the innocent truth and the witnesses of it Richard Whitpain Alice Whitpain William Sympson George Fox Jun. John Harwood THE END