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A88838 An untaught teacher witnessed against. Or, The old bottles mouth opened, it's wine poured forth, drunk of drunkards, denyed of them who have tasted of the new. That is to say, the unsound, unseasoned, unsavory doctrines, and opinions of Matthew Caffyn, Baptist-teacher laid open, who in the county of Sussex, is cryed up to be as their battle axe, and weapon of warre, who as Jannes and Jambres rides aloft, and bestirs himself with the magick rod of his lies, slanders, aspersions, and unsound doctrines, labours to strengthen the hands of carnal professors, and to keep the beloved of God in bondage: ... Which doctrines, and unsavory speeches were received from his own mouth, part of them at a meeting of the people called Quakers, at Crowley in Sussex, others thereof at his own house neere South-water, before me and John Slee, upon the fifth day of the seventh moneth, 1655 ... / Tho: Lawson. John Slee. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691.; Slee, John. 1655 (1655) Wing L729; Thomason E854_12; ESTC R202688 20,795 30

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12.7 Gen. 17.1.2 3 the Lord appeared unto Isaac and talks with him Gen. 26.2 Iacob saw God face to face Gen. 32.30 Iob saw God Iob. 42.5.6 now thou that stumbles at seeing of God and confesses thou hast not seene Christ in the steps of Abraham thou art not nor to his condition come who saw the day of the Son of man and was glad and death reignes in thee and thou clothes thy selfe with the Letter which they spoke forth who saw God in Christ if any come to witness the life of them whose words thou professes Isay saw God Isa 6.5 the Prodigall came to himselfe and said to his Father I have sinned in thy sight Luke 15. but in the far Country yet thou art amongst harlots and riotous livers and art gon into the field to feed swine and thy selfe eates the husks among the swine and that which would let thee see thy selfe and thy Countrey and thy companions and thy food and the Father of the living that thou denies and lives in disobedience to the light which comes from Christ so art for condemnation he that sees the Son sees the Father Jo. 14.9 but thou art without both and in fellowship with neither 1 Cor. 15.8.14.15 Paul was an eye witnesse of his majesty Heb. 11.27 John saw him on horse-back sitting on a white horse and a bow and a Crowne was given unto him and he went forth Conquering and to Conquer Rev. 6.2 and such as thee shall his arrows deeply pierce who saies thou art a Minister of Christ and yet hast not seen him nor his Father nor knows not what the tongue of the learned is so art one that Paul witnessed against unlearned and unstable wresting the Scripture to thy owne destruction and the destruction of other 2 Pet. 3.16 he must needs be unlearned who runs to teach others and himselfe nor knowing what the tongue of the learned is Rev. 19.11.12.13 all the Children of the Lord are taught of the Lord and they see their teacher which is the Lord so here thou hast shut out thy selfe from all the Children of the Lord who confesses thou hast not seen God nor Christ all his Children the Lord teaches and him they see and none of them thou art who confesses thou hast not seene Chirst Isa 54.13 28. He said Adam did not die the same day he did eate the forbidden fruit but was in a dying condition that is growing nearer the time in the which he should be put into an hole in the earth I answer thou art a liar for the lake and would make God a lier who said Gen. 2.17 in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die now thou saist he did not die so would make God a lier and Gen. 3.6.7.8 when they had eaten thereof the eies of them both were opened and they knew that they both were naked and they shewed figleaves together and made them them elves aprons as thou hast been doing this many yeares both for thy selfe and for others and art found a witness against God and thou thy selfe ignorant not knowing the death which hath passed over all men 29. He said I denied the resurrection I answer thou art a slanderer and must have the Portion of the slanderer for a resurrection I own both of the just and unjust Acts 24.15 The resurrection of the dead I owne both of the just and unjust Jo. 5.28.29 the one to life the other to damnation but because I said thou must not see God with thy carnall eies and that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God 1 Cor. 15.50 therefore thou concludes I deny the resurrection thou might as well slander Paul and say he denyed the resurrection as slander such who beare witness to his words but thou saies with what manner of body do the dead arise thou fool that which thou sowest is not quickned except it die and that which thou sowest thou sowest not that body that shall be c. but God giveth it a body as it pleaseth him it is sown a naturall body it is raised a spirituall body 1 Cor. 15. chapter and Paul earnestly laboured to come to the resurrection of the dead Phil. 3.11 30. Matthew Caffyn said he beleived no man upon earth did live without the transgression of the Law yet man might come to have the righteousness of the law fullfilled in him as Paul said the righteousness of the law was fulfilled in himselfe and others Rom. 8.4 and yet at the same time he saw a law in his members warning against the law of sin which was in his members and cryed out O wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from the body of this death Rom. 7.23.24 I answer thou that saies the righteousnesse of the law may be fullfilled in man and yet man not freed from the transgression of the law I say it it is a lie and prove thy doctrine if thou can let all whose eye is open judge between thee and mee whether the righteousness of the law be fulfilled in man while he lives in the transgression of the law yea or nay this makes it manifest thou art ignorant of the law which is spirituall Rom. 7.14 and it hath power over a man so long as he lives Rom. 7.1 so that being alive in the flesh out of that which crucifies the flesh the spirituall law is transgressed and here he is not witnessed who is the end of the law for righteousnesse to every one that believes Rom. 10.4 And said Paul who knew the law Gal. 3.19 wherefore then serves the law it was added because of trasgressions till the seed should come to whom the promise was made so if thou had an eare thou might heare the law was added because of transgression and is also added while transgression stands the law hath its work which ministration is glorious in its time and the end of the law is not come who was made under the law to fulfill the law so thorough the law to redeeme from the law he is not come while sin and transgression is lived in even he that comes by water and blood not by water onely but by water and blood 1 Joh. 5.6 the law is added because of transgressions till the seed come who bruises the Serpents head Gen. 3.15 and takes upon him the seed of Abraham and not the nature of Angels Heb. 2.16 this is he who in taking upon him the seed of Abraham finishers transgression because of which the law was added and makes an end of sin and makes reconciliation for iniquity and brings in everlasting righteousness and seals up the vision and prophecy here the most holy is anointed Dan. 9. if thou knew the seed to which the promise is the end of vision or prophecy this thou would receive but thou that tells of the righteousness of the law beeing fulfilled in man and yet man live in the transgression of the law thou know not what thou spaks nor whereof thou affirmes
for he himselfe saith that he was made free from the law of sin and death before he tell of the righteousness of the law being fulfilled in him Rom. 8.1.2.3.4 and saith Paul I thorough the law which law hath power over a man so long as he lives and dead to the Law that I might live unto God Gal. 2.19 but neither Law nor Gospel thou knows who stumbles at seeing God and cryes out blasphemy when as Moses who received the perfect Law from God which is according to that of God in every ones conscience he saw God and till Moses death reigns there thou art And in as much as thou said that Paul said the righteousness of the Law was fulfilled in him and yet at the same time he was carnall sold under sin and found a Law in his Members warring against the Law of his minde leading him captive into sin and was a wretched man crying out who should deliver him from the body of death Rom. 7. I answer here another lie is found in thy mouth for he did not say the righteousness of the Law was fulfilled in him till the Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus had made him free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8.1.2 3 4 and he could not both be carnal led captive and have the body of death standing in him and yet be free from the body of sin and death all at one time this can in no wise be as thou would perswade people but whereas he speaks of himself being carnal sold under sin and led captive and the body of death not destroyed Rom. 7. here he declares unto them how it was with him in the time of his warfare Rom. 7.5 when we were in the flesh saith he then it was so and so then carnal but the Law spiritual then sold under sin then led captive then a wretched man then not delivered from the body of sin in the time of the Law it being weak through the flesh now here he declares to them what he had passed through and how it had been with him but at that time he saith he was delivered from the Law Rom. 7.6 so likewise from sin the Law being added because of transgressions and he at that time vvhen he vvrote unto the Romans an Epistle vvhich afterwards vvas turned into Chapter and verse by Tubal-Cain the cunning Artificer and Craft-man for the benefit of the Clergy vvhen this Epistle he vvrote he vvitnessed the power of God unto salvation Rom. 1.6 and the invvard Jew and circumcision inwardly Rom. 2.28 29. and that he vvas justified and had peace vvith God Rom. 5.1 and that the old man vvas crucified Rom. 6.6 and that they vvere not under the Lavv but under grace vvhich Lavv is because of transgressions Rom. 6.15 and that they vvere dead to the Lavv by the body of Christ Rom. 7.4 and none is dead to the Lavv but vvho is dead to sin his body sets none free from the Lavv but vvhom it sets free from sin and he saith he and they vvere delivered from the Lavv Rom. 7.6 so from sin because of vvhich the Lavv is added and he saith he vvas set free from sin and the righteousness of the Lavv vvas fulfilled in him Rom. 8.1.2 3 4. novv that he could vvitness these glorious conditions and grovvth in Christ Jesus and yet be carnal and fold under sin and led captive and groane under the body of death that I deny but it is the Doctrine of Matthew Caffyn vvho is a Baptist-Teacher so I leave it vvith him or any that ovvn him the same to prove and in Rom. 7.25 Paul said so then implying a condition and disposition which he had passed through then it was so and so and in the next verse he saith But now Rom. 8.1 therein he declares his present condition which was that he was set free from the Law of sin and death and the righteousness of the Law was fulfilled in him Rom. 8.1.2 3 4. Rom. 7.25 So then Who is not blind may see Rom. 8.1.2 But now Who hath an eare may heare To the 7th Chapter of Pauls Epistle to the Romans do all unsavory Professors Priests and people fly and unto it run as unto a Bulwark for a cover to continue in sin and corr●ption while they remain upon earth which will stand them in no stead so two Propositions shall I lay down and if the Devil in any profession or Matthew Caffyn be offended at what I have spoken concerning that Chapter which all Professions take hold on for a shelter for their iniquity let them appear in writing that truth may come to light and lies be searched out and not back-bite grumble and grudge and run up and down slandering and railing and crying out that we hold forth damnable Doctrines and Heresies But do not so that is not honest that is the nature of Night-birds and Screech-owls who scratch in the dark so Matthew Caffyn prove thy Doctrines else throw down thy Crowns and own that in thy Conscience which shews thee thy enmity against the truth the Lord is taking unto himself him great power even the Almighty who was is and is to come to reign over all and the Nations are angry and combine together against the Lord and against his anointed yet upon the holy hill of Sion will hee his Sonset the hill of God is as the hill of Bashan an high hill this is the hill in which God delights to dwell yea in it he will dwell for ever and all hills shall tremble before it even before his hill who is setting the solitary in families and bringing out those which are bound in Chains he is beating the wicked one out of all his Bulwarks and fenced walls and high Towers and in Israel doth God appoint for Walls and Bulwarks even salvation so make not lies your refuge and plead not for sin which is a wall of separation between God and man 1. That Paul was not carnall and sold under sin nor led captive into sin nor the body of death undelivered from which is made mention of Rom. 7. when he said the Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus had made him free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8.1 2 3 4. That at that time when Paul wrote to the Romans and spoke of being carnal and sold under sin c. Rom. 7. that he spoke not of his present condition but how it had been with him formerly in the time of his warfare which was then accomplished and the body of death put off and he set free from sin Rom. 8.1.2 3 4. 31. Matthew Caffyn said I spoke errour when I said no man did further witness the Scripture fulfilled in him than he was grown up in that spirit which gave it forth the same also I now say and prove it to be errour if thou can but the wise in heart will not take thy words for a Gospel-proof who hast uttered forth so many lies and did give me these words under thy own hand-writing That the Scripture doth so farre reveal God and Christ to a Creature as that he walking up to its Revelation to his lives end with a single heart shall be eternally saved I say thy Ministry teaches not singlenesse in the one spirit but thou would have all shroud themselves in thy Form to their lives end and in the deceit of the world and then tells them of being saved now he to whom the true Ministry was committed said 2 Tim. 1.9 they were saved Tit. 3.5 Thou would have people wrapt up in thy Form all their lives that thou among them may have preheminence and tells them of salvation afterward when as no unclean thing must enter into the Kingdom as the Tree falls so it lies This have I written as touching particulars received from M. Caffyn part in writing and part from his mouth and God who is the Judge of all is my witness herein that I have not added to what was spoken by him so be ashamed thou blind guide and prove thy Doctrines else be silent and give over teaching others who thy self art untaught mind that in thy conscience which shews the sin and evil and let it stop thy mouth see thy own confusion glory not in Babylon a building by thy own fingers in thy own imaginations the Kingdom thou art departed from the measure which shews the evil thou disobeys and from men thou art driven and thy dwelling is amongst the Beasts of the field and thou art pushing with thy horn and power against the Lambs and upon the grasse thou art feeding there is thy state not only seven times but ever except the light which shines in thy Conscience thou own that by it thou may be led out of darkness up to Christ who for that end gave thee a measure to profit withall doth not a man whose eyes are open know a beast by one mark how many marks doth thou here beare which God gives his Children victory over therefore cease thy prateing with malitious words against that which thou knows not and come out of deceit and the worlds vanities which thou sticks in contrary to that in thy conscience therefore be warned thou who spreads thy self as the Bramble-bush and obey that in thy conscience which shews the sin and evil for fire is in the bush though thou be not aware of it resist not that in thy Conscience by which God calls thee and secretly checks thee that out of the evil of the world thou may come God who is a consusuming fire will awake for his own glory and his fire he will kindle which all thorns bryars and brambles shall consume prize the day of thy visitation A Lover of thy soul Thomas Lawson THE END