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A35120 The counterfeit convert discovered, or, William Haworth's book, entituled (The Quaker converted to Christianity re-established) refuted wherein his absurd assertion, viz. that our (own) righteousness consists in the gifts and vertues which the spirit of God works in our minds &c. is manifested ... / by John Crook and William Bayley ; also an answer to the postscript at the end of William Haworth's wicked pamphlet called An Antidote &c. by C.T. Crook, John, 1617-1699.; Bayly, William, d. 1675.; Taylor, Christopher, ca. 1615-1686. 1676 (1676) Wing C7199; ESTC R24285 95,721 143

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not_o sufficient_a for_o salvation_n without_o the_o truth_n be_v inward_o teach_v by_o the_o spirit_n &_o yet_o how_o often_o have_v this_o man_n affirm_v that_o whatever_o the_o spirit_n work_v in_o we_o be_v but_o our_o own_o righteousness_n yet_o here_o to_o the_o confutation_n of_o all_o his_o former_a affirmation_n say_v that_o without_o the_o inward_a teach_n of_o the_o spirit_n there_o be_v no_o salvation_n no_o not_o by_o jesus_n of_o nazareth_n etc._n etc._n so_o big_a be_v this_o man_n with_o the_o prodigious_a monster_n not_o only_o of_o divide_v the_o holy_a ghost_n from_o christ_n but_o of_o horrible_a confusion_n ignorance_n unbelief_n and_o blasphemy_n one_a confusion_n in_o that_o he_o be_v so_o contradictory_n to_o himself_o 2._o ignorance_n because_o it_o imply_v a_o distrust_v of_o christ_n even_o while_o we_o be_v act_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n which_o be_v impossible_a 3._o unbelief_n because_o he_o say_v he_o dare_v not_o trust_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o 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