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A35667 Truth outweighing error, or, An ansvver to a treatise lately published by J.B. entituled, A confession of his faith and a reason of his practice, or, With who he can, and with who he cannot hold church-fellowship ... by John Denne ... J. D. (John Denne) 1673 (1673) Wing D1027; ESTC R11873 57,462 128

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the_o moral_a precept_n evangelize_v be_v perfect_a but_o may_v not_o i_o herein_o use_v john_n bunyan_n own_o word_n and_o turn_v they_o against_o himself_o as_o one_o just_o guilty_a of_o fiction_n and_o scriptureless_a notion_n for_o where_o do_v you_o read_v in_o scripture_n of_o the_o law_n evangelize_v sure_o the_o contrary_a be_v often_o find_v and_o although_o james_n as_o it_o be_v urge_v by_o john_n bunyan_n chap._n 2._o prell_a love_n which_o he_o call_v the_o royal_a law_n and_o indeed_o be_v before_o the_o law_n give_v upon_o sinai_n 1_o joh._n 2.7_o urge_v it_o to_o be_v according_a to_o what_o be_v before_o write_v yet_o he_o do_v not_o call_v the_o law_n give_v upon_o sinai_n the_o royal_a law_n or_o the_o law_n of_o liberty_n as_o j._n bunyan_n false_o pretend_v contrary_a to_o paul_n word_n who_o say_v gal._n 4.24_o it_o be_v a_o law_n although_o as_o much_o evangelize_v in_o his_o day_n as_o now_o which_o gender_v to_o bondage_n yea_o the_o ten_o commandment_n write_v in_o stone_n so_o exalt_v by_o john_n bunyan_n he_o call_v the_o ministration_n of_o death_n 2_o cor._n 3.7_o of_o condemnation_n vers_fw-la 9_o and_o place_v it_o in_o opposition_n to_o the_o ministration_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o of_o righteousness_n which_o be_v the_o glorious_a gospel_n of_o jesus_n christ_n that_o need_v not_o have_v any_o recourse_n to_o the_o law_n be_v in_o itself_o much_o more_o perfect_a as_o indeed_o the_o law_n of_o liberty_n which_o james_n intend_v as_o also_o paul_n say_v rom._n 8.2_o the_o law_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o life_n in_o christ_n jesus_n have_v make_v i_o free_a from_o the_o law_n of_o sin_n and_o death_n wherefore_o in_o short_a the_o apostle_n james_n do_v not_o as_o john_n bunyan_n pretend_v exalt_v the_o law_n give_v upon_o sinai_n as_o the_o rule_n of_o communion_n but_o write_v to_o the_o brethren_n of_o the_o disperse_v twelve_o tribe_n who_o he_o well_o know_v be_v zealous_a of_o the_o law_n he_o endeavour_v thereby_o to_o 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