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a_o antecede_a meritorious_a cause_n or_o not_o if_o they_o do_v they_o be_v then_o punishment_n if_o not_o they_o be_v mere_a exercise_n of_o power_n and_o dominion_n whatever_o end_v they_o be_v intend_v for_o and_o whatever_o recompense_n be_v make_v for_o they_o of_o christ_n suff._n p._n 267._o here_o then_o lie_v the_o heart_n of_o the_o controversy_n between_o we_o and_o they_o whether_o our_o sin_n be_v a_o impulsive_a meritorious_a cause_n of_o christ_n suffering_n and_o christ_n suffering_n a_o proper_a punishment_n for_o our_o sin_n if_o our_o sin_n be_v the_o meritorious_a cause_n of_o christ_n suffering_n it_o necessary_o follow_v that_o christ_n bear_v the_o punishment_n of_o our_o sin_n in_o a_o proper_a sense_n a_o impulsive_a cause_n in_o a_o remote_a sense_n as_o though_o our_o sin_n be_v a_o mere_a occasion_n of_o christ_n die_v crellius_n grant_v but_o as_o the_o bishop_n observe_v we_o understand_v not_o a_o impulsive_a cause_n in_o so_o remote_a a_o sense_n but_o we_o contend_v for_o a_o near_o and_o more_o proper_a sense_n viz._n that_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n be_v primary_o intend_v for_o the_o expiation_n of_o our_o sin_n with_o a_o respect_n to_o god_n and_o not_o to_o we_o and_o therefore_o our_o sin_n as_o a_o impulsive_a cause_n be_v to_o be_v consider_v as_o they_o be_v so_o displease_v to_o god_n that_o it_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o vindication_n of_o god_n honour_n and_o the_o deter_v the_o world_n from_o sin_n that_o no_o less_o a_o sacrifice_n of_o atonement_n shall_v be_v offer_v than_o the_o blood_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n 〈◊〉_d ibid._n p._n 269._o and_o as_o they_o own_o a_o sort_n of_o no_o antecede_a impulsive_a cause_n which_o be_v but_o the_o mere_a occasion_n of_o christ_n suffering_n so_o they_o will_v call_v christ_n suffering_n a_o punishment_n but_o then_o they_o take_v punishment_n only_o in_o a_o improper_a sense_n paenam_fw-la improprie_fw-la dictam_fw-la fatamur_fw-la so_o crellius_n for_o say_v he_o what_o christ_n suffer_v have_v so_o near_o a_o cognation_n and_o alliance_n with_o true_a punishment_n that_o the_o word_n punishment_n and_o those_o other_o phrase_n use_v in_o describe_v proper_a punishment_n may_v for_o the_o great_a elegancy_n be_v take_v into_o our_o discourse_n about_o christ_n passion_n the_o agreement_n there_o be_v between_o christ_n suffering_n and_o a_o proper_a punishment_n be_v very_o considerable_a first_o in_o their_o matter_n for_o both_o be_v afflictive_a then_o in_o the_o impulsive_a procatartic_a cause_n which_o be_v sin_n in_o the_o sense_n the_o bishop_n observe_v and_o at_o last_o in_o the_o effect_n and_o end_v which_o be_v to_o remove_v guilt_n and_o bring_v man_n off_o from_o their_o sin_n though_o in_o the_o manner_n there_o be_v some_o difference_n but_o then_o the_o great_a difference_n be_v as_o to_o the_o formal_a reason_n of_o punishment_n which_o not_o be_v find_v in_o christ_n suffering_n they_o can_v be_v proper_o a_o punishment_n 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a_o punishment_n that_o the_o suffering_n of_o christ_n as_o to_o the_o reason_n of_o the_o thing_n be_v a_o natural_a evil_n endure_v for_o sin_n as_o sin_n be_v the_o occasion_n or_o remote_a cause_n and_o may_v be_v apt_o enough_o call_v punishment_n but_o they_o will_v rather_o call_v they_o a_o vicarious_a punishment_n as_o they_o be_v vice_n poenae_fw-la in_o the_o room_n and_o stead_n of_o a_o proper_a punishment_n gerardus_n vossius_fw-la in_o a_o letter_n to_o grotius_n be_v very_o express_v that_o in_o this_o point_n episcopius_n differ_v from_o he_o for_o though_o he_o own_v that_o christ_n suffering_n have_v a_o respect_n unto_o god_n and_o not_o only_o unto_o man_n yet_o the_o grand_a question_n be_v say_v he_o what_o respect_n as_o for_o the_o opinion_n common_o embrace_v viz._n that_o christ_n bear_v that_o punishment_n which_o be_v due_a to_o we_o he_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n admit_v because_o than_o he_o think_v christ_n must_v have_v be_v plunge_v into_o despair_n 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