JOHN SELDEN OF THE JUDICATURE IN Parliaments A Posthumous TREATISE WHEREIN The Controversies and Precedents belonging to that Title are Methodically handled LONDON Printed for Joseph Lawson Bookseller in the Bail of Lincoln And Sold by the Booksellers in London A Scheme of the Method and Contents CHAP. I. PEers to render Judgment of Peers pag. 1 Qu. Whether the Spiritual Lords de jure are triable by their Peers p. 4 Touching the Nature of the Offences triable in this High Court 6 CHAP. II. In what Cases Judicature belongs to the Parliament 8 Of Judgment on Delinquents 10 § I. 1. Their Accusation by the Commons 11 Four manner of Accusations in Parl. ib. Precedents of their Complaints 1. By Petition 12 2. By Demand 16 3. By Impeachment 17 § II. 2. Accusation ex parte Domini Regis p. 33 Some Delinquents accused in Parliament upon Common Fame without proof of Witnesses 37 The Judgment Repealed 38 No Peer can be Indicted in Parliament 39 He may be Indicted out of Parliament and proceeded against in the next Parliament upon the said Indictment 40 § III. Qu. Whether S. R. Ferrars 4 R. 2. was Legally brought to his Answer in Parliam by Commandment of the D. of L. 44. Whether he being no Peer nor Baron could be Legally Arraigned in Parliament by Information ex parte Regis Ib. Question Resolved 45 How the Earl of Bristol's Cause could be heard in the House of Lords notwithstanding 35 H. 8. 46 The Usage in such Cases and Precedents 48 Whether in a Trial before Lords and Commons the Commons are to Sit with their Speaker 54 § IV. Accusation ex Mandato Domini Regis ib. The Earl of Northumberland's Case 5 H. 4. ib. The Lords Impeach not any to themselves because they are Judges 63 The Manner of proceeding against a Delinquent that absents ib. § V. Of Accusation by Complaint of private persons 66 The Fishmongers Complaint against the Lord Chancellor 7 R. 2. 72 The Lord Chancellor his Defence 74 Of the Complaint against Bishop Williams Lord Keeper 80 The History of the Appeal 11 R. 2. 81 The Lords proceed not against a Commoner but upon the Complaint of the House of Commons 84 Appeals abolished 1 H 4. c. 14. 87. CHAP. III. The Parties Answer 89 The Party accused to be brought to his Answer 95 An Answer required from the D. of Gloucester to certain Accusations though he were dead and Judgment given upon him 91 Another Delinquent found guilty long after he was dead 95 In what Cases the Party is to answer as a Freeman in what as a Prisoner 97 Things to be considered in the Answer 97 Variation from the Ancient Course 100 Touching Council allowed him 102 § 2. When Council shall be allowed him and when not ib. In Misdemeanors the Party may have Council to Answer 103 But the Earl of Middlesex was denied it 21 Jac. 103 The Parliament hath compelled a present Answer in Misdemeanors and without Council 107 The Mayor c. accused by the Scholars of Cambridge ib. § 3. The Replication 109 Where the Articles against the Delinquent are ex parte Regis there the Commons do not reply nor demand Judgment ib. Impeachment of the Lord Latimer 111 William Ellis Impeached 114 Lord Nevile Impeached by the Commons ib. CHAP. IV. The Proof By Examination of Witnesses 120 Witnesses produced by the Commons ib. A Committee for Trial of Alice Pierce 123 A Jurie in Parliament for Misdemeanors 125 G. D. of Clarence Arraigned 127 CHAP. V. The Judgment 132 § 1. It belongeth to the Lords only 133 The Commons have no Right to it ib. § 2. In what Cases the King's Assent is necessarily required 136 Necessary in Capital Judgment 143 In Judgment on Misdemeanors the King's Assent is not required 144 § 3. The King's Presence in Parliament 39 § 4. The Presence of the Lords Spir. ib. In Cases of Misdemeanor aff ib. Capital neg ib. The Protestation of the Bishops for ever 150 Whether they can be present not Vote 152 A Bishop being Lord Chancellor was present at the giving Sentence in Case of Treason 156 § 5. Of the Presence of the Commons in Cases Capital 158 The Precedents 149 Their Presence not necessary unless when they impeach 160 Whether they Sit if they are present 161 Of the Presence of the Judges 162 § 6. The manner how the Lords resolve on their Judgment 167 Whether it be ultra Legem 168 Judgments for satisfaction 173 References to the Common Law 175 By whom to be demanded 176 By whom to be rendred ib. CHAP. VI. The Precedents for Life and Death 178 CHAP. VII The Execution of the Judgment 182 In Capital Offences In Misdemeanors CHAP. VIII The Recovery of Damages or Restitution to the Party aggrieved 187. JUDICATURE IN Parliament CHAP. I. Peers to render Judgment on Peers THE Execution of all our Laws hath been long since distributed by Parliament out of inferiour Courts in such sort as the Subjects were directed where to complain and the Justice how to redress wrongs and punish offences And this may be the reason of the Judges opinion in Thorps Case 31. Hen. 6. Num. 37. That Actions at Common-Law are not determined in this High Court of Parliament yet complaints have ever been received in Parliaments as well of private wrongs as publick offences And according to the quality of the Person and nature of the offence they have been retained or referred to the Common-Law Touching the quality of the Person the Lords of the Parliament did not anciently try any Offenders how great soever the offence was unless he were their Peer As by that of 4 E. 3. N. 2. where when the King commanded the Lords to give Judgment on Simon de Bereford and divers others also who were not their Peers for the murther of E. 2. and the destruction of the Earl of Kent Son of E. the first A proviso and agreement was made and recorded in these words Et est assensu accord c. And it is assented and accorded by our Lord the King and all the Grandees in full Parliament That albeit the Peers as Judges of the Parliament have took upon them and rendred the said Judgment c. That yet the said Peers who now are or shall be in time to come be not bound or charged to render Judgments upon others than Peers Nor that the Peers of the Land have power to do this but thereof ever to be discharged and acquitted And that the aforesaid Judgment rendred be not drawn to example or consequence in time to come whereby the said Peers shall do contrary to the Laws of the Land if the like Case happen which God forbid 4 E 3. N. 6. This Proviso and agreement was made by the Lords and Commons and it had these respects First to satisfy the Commons that the Lords by these Judgments intended not to alter the course of the common-Common-Law and therefore they disclaimed that they had power
to do this and confess it was contrary to the Law of the Land Secondly to preserve their own Right to Judge none but the Peers in Case of Life and Death For then the Kings Steward is to sit in the Chancellors place and the Lords are to be Tryers and Judges And so by judging others then their Peers descended below their degrees For none but Peers are so to be Tryed and Judged It is otherwise in Cases of misdemenors then the Chancellor keeps his Place and the Lords are only Judges and not Tryers they may command a Jury to be Impannelled For Tryal of the Facts if the truth appear not by the Parties answer the Testimonies are Exhibited as 1 R. 2. in the Case of Alice Peirce Here ariseth a Question Whether the Spiritual Lords de Jure are tryable by their Peers or no Out of Parliament they are not to be Tryed by the Peers But the doubt is whether in time of Parliament they are to be so Tryed or no To me it seems they may if the matter be moved against them in time of Parliament For as it is in the Parliament at York 15 E. 2. in the Act for the Repeal of the Spencers banishment they are Peers in Parliament Note that the Petition for the Repeal saith that the Bishops are Peers in Parliament The Bishops name themselves Peers of the Land And the Chancellor to the King And the Act stile them Peers of the Land in Parliment There be divers Presidents also of the Tryal of Bishops by their Peers in Parliament as well for Capital offences as misdemenors whereof they have been accused in Parliament As the Archbishop of Canterbury 15 E. 3. N. 6 7 8. Et ibid. postea 44 39. Et ibid. 17 E. 3. 22. And the Bishop of Norwich 7. R. 2. for misdemeanors So were the Bishops of York and Chichester Tryed for Treason by their Peers in Parliament upon the Appeal of the Lords Appellants 11 R. 2. Anno 21 R. 2. The Commons accused the Archbishop of Canterbury of Treason and the temporal Lords judged him a Traytor and banished him But if the Bishop be accused out of Parliament he is to be tryed by an Ordinary Jury of Free-holders for his honour is not inheritable as is the temporal Peers out of Parliament save that only of their Tryal As no day of Grace to be granted against them in any Suit A Knight to be returned upon the Pannel where a Bishop is party and no Process in a civil action to be awarded against his body and the like And by this it appeareth what Persons are de Jure tryable by the Lords in Parliament viz. their Peers only Touching the nature of the Offence Herein the complaint and accusation as well of the Party delinquent as offence is to be considered For upon the Information of the King at his Commandment or upon complaint of private Persons the Lords may not by the Law try any but their Peers for Capital offences And the Lords have ever referred offences of other nature complained of by private Persons to the Common-Law if there be remedy unless some special cause appear fit for their own Judgment But upon complaints and accusations of the Commons the Lords may proceed in Judgment against the Delinquent of what degree soever and what nature soever the offence be For where the Commons complain the Lords do not assume to themselves tryal at Common-Law Neither do the Lords at the tryal of a Common Impeachment by the Commons decedere de jure suo For the Commons are then in stead of a Jury and the Parties answer and examination of witnesses are to be in their Presence or they to have Copies thereof And the Judgment is not to be given but upon their demand which is in stead of a verdict so the Lords do only judg not try the Delinquent In the Lords proceedings in Judicature is observed also a certain form which varieth according to the nature of the complaint and the matter complained of so that no general Rules can be given therein though many Judgments have been reversed for errors whereof there be many Precedents And the Execution upon life and death hath been stayed at the Request of the Commons the proceedings being illegal whereof I have seen only one Precedent touching the Duke of Clarence tempore E. 4. Wherefore for our better understanding of the Form of Judicature let us first consider the several causes wherein Judicature belongs to the Parliament and then the ancient way of proceedings in each Cause CHAP. II. In what Cases Judicature belongs to the Parliament JUdicature belongs to the Parliament in these six Cases 1. In Judgments against Delinquents as well for Capital crimes as misdemeanors wherein is to be considered 1. The Accusation 2. The Parties Answer 3. The Replication 4. The proof by Examination of witnesses or otherwise 5. The Judgment 6. The Execution 2. In the Reversing erronious Judgments in Parliament are to be considered 1. The Petition 2. The bringing in the Record 3. The Assignment of Errors 4. The Reversal thereof 3. In the Reversing of erronious Judgments given in the Kings Bench are to be considered 1. The Petition 2. The Writ of Error 3. The bringing in the Record 4. The Assignment of Errors 5. The Writ of Scire facias 6. The Defendants answer 7. The Reversal of the Judgment 4. In deciding of Suits long depending either for difficulty or delay wherein is to be considered 1. The Petition 2. The advice with the Judges 3. The determination of the Lords 5. In hearing complaints of particular Persons on Petitions wherein is to be considered 1. The Petition 2. The Defendants answer 3. The Proof 4. The Orders of the Lords 6. In setting at Liberty any of their own Members or Servants imprisoned and in staying the proceedings at the Common-Law during the Priviledge of Parliament wherein consider 1. The Quality of the Person Imprisoned 2. The Parties Answer at whose Suit he is imprisoned 3. The manner of his Charge In certifying the Elections and Returns of Knights and Citizens for the Parliament But now the Commons alone determine of this Wherefore I will only shew that the Commons did heretofore Petition to the Lords for redress herein and what course was then taken I leave it to the Clerk of that House to shew how the Commons proceed herein at this day Of the rest in Order And first Of Judgments on Delinquents § 1. In Judgment against Delinquents is first to be considered the Accusation For as in the Kings Bench the Justices proceed not to the Arraignment of any Offender without an Indictment So the Lords have not proceeded to Judgment unless the Crimes have first been presented to them by way of Accusation If otherwise their Judgments have been reputed erronious as that against the Spencers was in 15 E. 2. Rot. 2. claus lit penden For the same Persons cannot be both Accusers
the Particulars in form of a Charge they were sent to the Lord Chancellor and his answer required to each particular In the same manner in the same Parliament they accused John Bennet Judge of the Prerogative Court of Bribery and Corruption in his Office In the same manner they accused and impeached Lyonel Earl of Middlesex and Lord Treasurer of England of Bribery and Extortion and Impositions on French Wines and Grocery which being reported to the House a Committee was appointed to consider of the Commons complaint and also of a Committee who had reported to the House a great want of Powder in the Stores through the Lord Treasurer's negligence A Committee appointed to consider thereof did after many Examinations taken draw up out of the whole Complaint of the Commons a Charge against him as also out of the Report of the Committee for Munition touching the want of Powder and of a Complaint made to the House by Sir Thomas Dallison and of some Misdemeanors whereof they are informed in the great Wardrobe and Court of Wards Which Charge the House sent unto the Treasurer and required his Answer 21 Jac. In eodem Parl. 21 Jac. The Commons at a Conference accused and impeached by word of Mouth the Bishop of Norwich of some Misdemeanors which being reported to the House the said Bishop made a present Answer thereunto as it was In the Parliament 1 Car. 1. Febr. 6. The Commons at a Conference accused and impeached George Duke of Buckingham of many Misdemeanors and delivered their Declaration in Writing that the said Duke might be put to his Answer § 2. The second manner of Accusation is Ex parte Domini Regis which is threefold The two first are immediately from the King and the third from the Commandment of the Lords by a formal Information exhibited in Parliament by the King's Attorney or Council learned as was that of E. 3. against Roger Mortimer Earl of March and divers others and 4 R. 2. against Sir Ralph Ferrers K t and 1 Car. 1. against the Earl of Bristol By the King's Commandment either upon the Petition of the Delinquent and upon the return and view of any the Proceedings taken elsewhere as against the Earl of Northumberland and Lord Bardolph upon former Proceedings against them in the Court of Chancery And 2 H. 6. upon request of the Commons against Sir John Mortimer Knight indicted in London In these Cases no Articles are exhibited Ex parte Domini Regis as in the former By Articles exhibited Ex parte Domini Regis Ex parte Dominorum against such as the Complaint is made upon in general by the Commons prout 1 R. 2. against Gomeniz Weston and Alice Peirce 7 R. 2. against the Bishop of Norwich and divers others Which Articles though drawn and exhibited Per mandatum Dominorum yet were the Parties charged therewith Ex parte Domini Regis Of Accusation by Information Ex parte Domini Regis In Rot. claus 4 E. 3. There is a Proclamation of the death of Edmond Earl of Kent where it is said certain Letters of his containing Treason were shewed to the King wherefore he was Arrested and freely acknowledged the same before the Earls Barons and other Grandees and Nobles of the Realm in the Parliament at Winchester 4 E. 3. Here appears plainly that Articles of Treason are exhibited in Parliament against the Earl of Kent In the next Parliament in the same year Edmond Son and Heir of the said Edmond exhibited his Petition praying the King that the Record and Process whereupon the said Earl was put to death might be brought before him in Parliament and if Errors be found that Right be done Numb 11. The which being read before the King Prelates Earls Barons and other Grandees in the said Parliament the King by his Royal Power and Dignity by assent in Parlialiament repealed the said Judgment Numb 12. Note That in this Repeal no Error was alledged nor any Exceptions taken for this that the Lords proceeded upon the Articles only which were objected against him the said Earl This is out of the Close Roll. The first Precedents recorded in our Parliament Rolls of Accusations in this kind are these of 4 E. 3. in the Parliament at Westminster which are added at large amongst divers others at the end of this Discourse the effect whereof doth follow viz. These are the Treasons Felonies and ill Deeds done to our Lord the King and to his People by Roger de Mortimer and others of his Covin reciting them all and concludeth thus Whereas our Lord the King doth charge you the Earls Barons and other Peers of this Realm that for as much as these things touch him principally and you and all the People of this Realm That you do unto the said Roger right and lawful Judgment as is fit for such an one to have who is very guilty of all the crimes above written for that he believed the said things are notorious and known for truth unto you and to all the People of the Realm Numb 1. The followeth the Judgment against him Item In the said manner our Lord the King charged the said Earls Barons and Peeres to give right and lawful Judgment on Simon de Bereford Knight who was ayding and counselling unto the said Roger de Mortimer in all treasons and ill deeds for which the said Roger was so awarded and done to death as the thing that is known and notorious to the said Peers as the King believeth Then followeth the Judgment against him also Then followeth the Judgment against John Matrevers Thomas de Gurney and William de Ogle Numb 5. But no particular accusations are recorded against any of them unless they were comprised in those general words of that against Mortimer viz. And other of his Coyn. For some of the same Crimes are mentioned in the Judgments yet no doubt but the Kings Attourny did exhibit Articles against every of them upon which the Lords proceeded to Judgment Here I do ingenuously confess my own Error when I said that this Judgment against Roger de Mortimer was afterwards reversed for that he was put to death without any Accusation which I conceived to be so upon first view of the Repeal thereof Anno 21. E. 3. Numb 10. Where the Petitioners Roger de Mortimer the Grandchild assigneth for that the said Earl was put to death and he disinhereted Sans Accusament Et sans estre masone in Judgment ou en Respons By which words sans accusament I gave you to understand that the Articles were no accusation whereas now upon better Consideration I do find that these words do intend no accusation by witnesses or otherwise to prove the said Articles objected against him For these Articles are a legal accusation in Parliment and frequently used as appears by many Precedents of the like nature But there was no other proof offered by the Lords to prove the same then that the King believeth them