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A28667 A publick tryal of the Quakers in Barmudas [sic] upon the first day of May, 1678 by Samson Bond, late the preacher of the Gospel in Barmudas. Bond, Samson. 1682 (1682) Wing B3585; ESTC R29047 105,090 110

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pretended by th●e falls short of maintaining your cause as it respects the first part of the charge which ●id appear on a due examination of the Text it self in this man 〈◊〉 to wit Exam. By the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus we are to understand the Spirit which the Father gave him as the Son of Man without measure Ioh. 3. ●4 Ioh. 1. 6. Now from this fulness of Spiritual Life in Christ Paul received such a degree of it as made him free from the Law i. e. from the reign and dem●nion of sin and from Death Rom. 6. 12. 14 i. e. from the power of natural death Note that the Spirit in the Text above is se●●own two wayes 1. By the Subject in whom it is that is in the Manhood of Christs Person 2. By the Effect it is a spirit of life if this life be not from Christs fulness conveyed into us we are but dead men spiritually dead in sins Eph 2. 1. But when the spirit of 〈◊〉 from Christs unmeasurable fulness is derived to us t●en we feel its law or power weakening and abolishing the Law i. e. the strength and Authority of sin in us and thereby sin hath now no reigning domineering power in or over us nor can it condemn our persons and thus we are ●reed from the Law of sin death Note Not so ●reed as if we were simply delivered from both or either of these as that we cannot afterwards sin and die but the meaning is sin cannot rul● or exercise a command now over us n●r can it damn ●s nor can the natural death hurt us now tell me William whether there be ought in this third Text of Scripture alledged by thee that doth in the least though never so much strained prove this first part of the charge against you to be false for the mind of the Apostle therein is plain and evident viz. that the law of the Spirit of life inherent in us hath only a virtue to eat down the Law or commanding power of present sins and to destroy the power of our natural death what I pray thee is in all this to prove a Quakers pretended Saviour within him c. surely William either thou art very silly thy self or thou didst think thy hearers to be so After him steps F. E. again and said the Scripture saith of Christ I in thee and thou in me but he could not tell us where to find the Scripture that said those words of Christ Answ That I did not remember any such Scripture for manner and fo●m as spoken by him to wit I in the● and thou in me but this Parret must prate as he hath been taught howbeit if it might be supposed not granted that Christ had said to any particular person I in thee and thou in me It must needs follow that the person of Christ w●s without not within him to whom he then spake and the person of Christ being the Believers only Saviour this allegation could not concern the charge before us T is true we read in Joh 17 23 I in them and thou in we that they may be made perfect in me i e. in oneness of affection for so it is interpreted in the last clause of the same verse sc and hast loved them as thou hast loved me also in Joh. 14. 20. and you in me and I in you these words do only signifie the reciprocal love that shall be fully experienced between Christ and his members at the glorious resurrection of the just as it is implied in the former part of that verse At that day namely of Christs second comming in glory ver 18. ye shall sc at that day know that I am in my Father i. e. in his love and you in me i. e. in my love and I in you i. e. in your love ver 21. Now Francis if thou dost mean either of these Scriptures thou wilt be still at a loss for it was the man Jesus Christ which spake to his Disciples and it is very strange that thou wilt produce a Christ for evidence in whom you do not believe it s a sign that thou art almost spent I do not remember that he made any reply to ought said by me as above but as a mask for their nakedness he urged another Scripture not naming where as to the chapter or verse to wit Christ saith of h●mself I am Alpha and Omega Rev 1. 1. I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the ending saith the Lord which is and which was and which is to come The Almighty after the reciting of this Scripture I expected an Argument to be drawn from thence by the Disputant to prove the thing for wh●ch he brought it But it seems Franks Seducers could never make him capable of formal Argumentations which defect constrained me to insist upon the explication herein more fully and distinctly enlarged of those Texts of Scripture which for the most part were only repeated by the titular Disputants and that many times after their own most presumptuous mode and manner adding or diminishing contrary to Gods command Deut. 4. 2. But I proceed to the Text it self Ans The place of Scripture above sc Rev. 1. 8. consists of three parts First part I am Alpha and Omega in these words Christs creating power is Metaphorically expressed being the first and last letters in the Greek Alphabet which by a figurative speech are applied to any beginning and end and are here interpreted by the next words namely the Beginning and the Ending which Phrases do signifie unto us Christs divine Nature eternal Power and Godhead as in Joh. 1. ver 1. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God sc God the Son and in Col. 1. 16. All things were created by him his dear Son ver 13. and for him sc for his glory as the ultimate end Rom. 11. 36. this therefore is the meaning of I am Alpha and Omega that is Christ is the efficient cause of all things and the end also wh●ther all things are referred that he hath at first created all things and that for his own glory alone Second part Saith the Lord which words denote Christ the faithful promiser for all the promises of God are in him 2 Cor. 1 20. in him i. e. in the man hood of Christs person Col. 2 9. hereunto agrees the title Lord. which is mostly appropriated to Christs huma●e nature as before his Birth Luk. 1 43. And whence is this to me that the Mother of my Lord should come to me and on the day of his birth Chap 2. ver 11. For to you is born this day a Saviour which is Christ the Lord and afterwards Joh. 13. ver 13 14. Ye call me Master and Lord for so I am If I thou your Lord and Master have washed your feet Also after his resurrection Luk. 24. 34 saying The Lord hath risen indeed and hath oppeared to Simon ver 39. Behold my hands and my feet that
New-Testament And instead of a Reply Francis tells us of his experimental interest in that Text saying that he was washed and justified in himself from his sins and at length he told us how to wit in some measure Hereup●n ●emanded what the sins in particular were from which he was in himself washed and justified in some measure whether it were from 〈◊〉 or Drunk●ness Oathes or Adultery he replied I am not to tell thee then more seriously I requested the Assembly to take notice of his want of knowledge in the Scriptures inasmuch as that he makes justification from sin not only a work with●n him but to be daily wrought in himself by measure or degrees which assertion of his is directly contrary to the manifold Scriptures of truth which proved the third Argument to wit that our justification from sins was at once finished and perfected without 〈◊〉 on the Cross by the offering of the one body of Jesus Christ one for all and so already do●e by Jesus Christ and in being in him our head nevertheless it was readily granted by me sc that all things relating to our washing and justification from sins by that one sacrifice of the body of Christ as above is to be believed in for the remission of sins and for the making of that blessed work so already finished effectual in us it is to be received and wrought not at once but by degrees and in measure by the working and operation of the Spirit of God in us until Mortality be swallowed up of life hereunto agrees the words of the Apostle Paul 1 Tim. 2. 5. 6. The man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransome for all to be testified in due time Gave referring to the time past the work of ransome being already done and perfected To be testified i. e. by the spirit of Faith 2 Cor. 4. 13. and b● its effects in the hearts of Believe●s ●●due time i. e. in Gods appointed time so then when the spirit saith as above sc That the Man Jesus Christ ga●e himself a ransome For all i e. for all them by whom the ran●●mer is believed on and in whom ●he virtue and eff●cts of the ransome are by the spirit influenced 〈…〉 these things are according to the Scriptures give● by the conspiration of God 2 Tim. 3. 6 whereas this Doctor 's new Divinity to wit That he is in himself washed and justified from his sin● in some measure it is most false and dangerous Doctrine for it doth clearly deny that the M●ssias Jesus Christ of 〈◊〉 hath at once by his own crucified bo●y without u● on the Crosse finished Tran●●ress●●n and 〈…〉 all which and much more is the joynt Testimony of the Prophets a●d Apostles concerning the Man Jesus Christ and the work 〈…〉 some effected by him for sinners while 〈…〉 to God 〈…〉 Note that this truth doth ●●lly answereth Quakers ca●il about this matter how is sin say they finished without a Man while no good is wrought within him and seeing as they further say Christ works all things in us by his Spirit how then can all things be finished by Christ without us before any good is wrought by him in us Answ It is most necessarily presupposed that all things were finished by the Man Jesus Christ as above explained for satisfaction to his Fathers justice for sin before we could receive that satisfaction by Faith or its effects by the spirit within us Now it s most certain that before Faith with its fruits and effects was wrought in us by the spirit we were unbelievers ungodly unjust and enemies to God in our minds by wicked works Col. 1. 21. then according to right reason if the one had not been first wrought by Jesus Christ without us it had been altogether impossible for the o●her to have been wrought in us or received by Faith and to witnessed unto by us consider once more if the Man Iesus Christ had not first given himself a ransome for our sins we could not have received it by Faith nor could it have been Testified or witnessed unto by us Moreover let it be well observed that all the righteousness of Sanctification that is in us from Christ is but a fruit of that righteousness of Iustification which ●esus Christ of Nazareth wrought out by his own personal obedience and sufferings upon the Crosse yea all the graces and operations of the Spirit wrought in us were thereby merited and purchased for us Therefore Francis your being in your self washed and justified from your sins in some measure is plainly to deny that one Propitiatory Sacrifice of the one crucified body of the true Man Iesus Christ which can be no other then a wretched design to blot out of our hearts the blessed Name and Remembrance of that one great propitiation once offered for sins together with the redemption righteousness and reconciliation to God as already in Christ our head and surety purchased and perfected for us until no other righteousness or redemption be known but that of obedience to the Light that unbloody Redeemer which is ye say in every man that comes into the World and thus so much obedience to the Idol-light within so much redemption washing justifying and no more Here hence Francis comes thus in some measure in thy self this is the voice of your Law-working spirit within teaching that he that doth these things shall live by them The Pope without is become a Quakers Light within I have now done with the enlargements upon his affirmation to wit That he was In some measure washed and justified in himself from his sins The next Apparition is of William Bullock again And he tells us the Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made us free from sin Answ 1. I prayed him to tell me where I might find those words as uttered by him he had been taught his Answer sc It is Scripture But I told him that he had according to a Quakers practice m●ngled and abused that holy Text of Scripture intended by him Namely Rom. 8. 2. For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the Law of sin and ●●ath But he repeated Vs for Me and free from sin for free from the law of sin a●d left out the word Death 2. I desired him to frame his Argument to prove the matter controverted sc That a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is the true not the false Christ But no Argument from the Text nor any thing like it was alledged by him long fa●ting perhaps made him so empty There●ore 3. I said That it is the Law of the Spirit of life not in a Quaker but in Christ Jesus and that there is not nor ever was any other Jesus Christ a Sav●our from sin but the Holy Child Jesus born of Mary in Bethlehem the City of David Luk. 2. 4 11. which Saviour is not to be sound in any Quaker and therefore this place of Scripture
builders which is become the head of the corner neither is there Salvation in any other for there is none other Name sc then the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth under Heaven given among Men whereby we must be saved Acts 10 38 39 40 42 43. God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power Whom they Jews slew and hanged on a ●ree Him God raised up the third day and shewed him openly And he commanded us to Preach unto the People and to testifie that it is he which was ordained of God to be the judge of quick and dead To him give all the Prophets witness that through his Name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins From these Texts of Scripture the 1st Argument did arise To wit If Jesus Christ of Nazareth a Man approved of God among the People of Israel be the true Christ and only Saviour then a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is not the true Christ But Jesus Christ of Nazareth a Man approved of God among the People was and is the true Christ and our only Saviour therefore a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is not the true but false Christ Arg. 2. Because the Saints of God by the direction of his Spirit have alwayes acknowledged the Man Jesus Christ to be their true and only Savi●ur as in Luk. 2. 25 26 27 28. 29 30 31. And behold there was a Man in Jerusalem whose Name was Simeon and it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost that he should not see death before he had seen the Lords Christ and he came by Spirit into the Temple and when the Parents brought in the Child Jesus then he took him up in his Arms and blessed God and said Lord now lettest thou thy Servant depart in peace according to thy word for mine eyes have seen thy Salvation which thou hast prepared before the face of all people c Joh. 20. 27 28. Then said Jesus unto Thomas reach hither thy finger and behold my hands and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side and be not faithless but believing and Thomas answered and said unto him by the spirit of Faith my Lord and my God Joh. 4. 42. And said unto the Woman now we believe not because of thy saying for we have heard him the Man Christ ver 29. our selves and we know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the World From these Scriptures the Second Argument was Formed sc If the Saints of God have by the Holy Spirits direction alwayes acknowledged the Man Jesus Christ to be the true Christ and only Saviour then a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is not the true Christ But the Saints of God have by the Spirits direction alwayes acknowled the Man Jesus Christ for their true and only Saviour Therefore a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is not the true but false Christ Arg. 3. Because the true Christ and our only Saviour did at once without us in and by his one crucified body on the Cross finish and compleat the work and office of a Saviour as in Heb. 10. 12 14. By the which will we are Sanctified that is Saved through the Offering of the Body of Jesus Christ once for all And this man after he had offered one Sacrifice for sins for ever sate down on the right hand of God for by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are Sanctified Heb. 2. 14. Forasmuch then as the Children are partakers of flesh and blood he Jesus ver 9. also himself likewise took part of the same that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death that is the Devil 1 Pet. 2. 24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tre and in 1 Pet. 3. 18. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins the just for the unjust that he might bring us to God being put to Death in the flesh but quickened by the spirit Eph. 2. 15. 16. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity having slain the enmity in himself on the Cross so making peace and in Chap. 5. 2. As Christ hath given himself for us an offering and a Sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour Heb. 9. 26. But now once in the end of the World hath he appeared to put away sin by the Sacrifice of himself and in Col. 1. 22. In the body of his flesh through death to present you holy and unblameable and unreprovable ●n his sight From these Scriptures the third Argument resulted viz. If the true Christ and our only Saviour did at once without us in and by his one crucified body on the Cross finish and perfect the work and office of a Saviour then a Quakers pretended Saviour within ●im is not the true Christ But the true Christ and one only Saviour did at once without us in and by his one crucified Body on the Cross finish and perfect the whole work and office of a Saviour Therefore a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is not the true but the false Christ 4th Argument Because the true Christ and our only Saviour is in Heaven above us As in Luk. 24. 46 48 50 51. And Jesus said unto them his Apostles thus it was written and thus it behoved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day And ye are witnesses of these things And led them out as far as Bethany And he lift up his hands and blessed them And it came to pass while he blessed them he was parted from them and carried up into Heaven Mark 6. 19. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them he was received up into heaven and sate on the right hand of God Act. 1. 11. Ye men of Galilee why stand ye gazing into Heaven this same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven Act. 3. 13 21. The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob the God of our Fathers hath glorified his Son Jesus Whom the heavens must receive until the times of restitution of all things Heb. 9. 24. For Christ is not entred into the holy places made with hands but into heaven it self now to appear in the presence of God for us Act 7 55 56. But he Stephen being full of the Holy Ghost looking up stedfastly into heaven and saw the Glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God And said Behold I see the heavens opened and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God From these Scriptures the fourth Argument was formed sc If the true Christ and our only Saviour be in Heaven above us then a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is not the true Christ But the true Christ and our only Saviour is in Heaven above us Therefore a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is not the true but the false Christ Lastly That by the
gave up the Ghost all these were truly and properly spoken of the true Christ who is the Light of the World Now what can be more absurd and ●alse then to affirm these things of the Light in every man that cometh into the World by natural Generation 3. It being an Enlightning which is communicated as in ver 9. to every man that comes into the World which comprehends both Elect and Reprobate But the true Christ is not in Reprobates 2 Cor 13. 5 Therefore the true Christ is not as in your sence in every man that comes into the World and consequently not in Teaching Seducing Quakers Text 2d 1 Tim 3. 16. Great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh Hence he F. E. inferr'd that the Godhead only as manifest in the flesh is the true Christ and only Saviour and withal he effectually said that the Light in every man that comes into the World as it is manifest in every man i● the same Christ sc the Godhead and as in the body of Christs flesh so in the body of every mans flesh i. e. God manifest in the flesh sc flesh indefinitely And so by a consequence of his own Blaspheming a Quakers pretended Saviour within him is the true not the false Christ Answ Nothing can be more evident then that this Disputant would have had the Hearers to believe that the Godhead as distinct from Christs being a man is the true Christ and only Saviour Surely this is new Divinity which is diffe●ing and qui●e another Gospel then that of the Apostles as in Mat. 16. 16. Thou not the Godhead alo●e in thee But thou the son of Man ver 13. art the Son of the living God Again after Christs Ascention and Glorification in Heaven above the Apostles confess him in hese words Act. 2. 36. Let al the house of Israel know assaredly that God hath made that same Iesus not the Godhead only manifest in Jesus but that same Iesus whom 〈◊〉 crucified both Lord and Christ consider I pray did the Iews ever crucifie your feigned Godhead-light within I could heartily wish that all ye would feelingly lay to heart what our blessed Lord saith in this case Luk. 12. 8 9. Whosoever shall confess me not the Godhead only in me but me before Men him shall the Son of Man also confess before the Angels of God But he that denieth me the Son of Man shall be denied before the Angels of God Thus the Holy Apostles confessed before men the Son of man Iesus of Nazareth to be the true Christ and their only Saviour and in the Faith thereof they both lived and died F. E. Let me ask thee this question sc If the Godhead of the Son considered as distinct from his being a Man be the true Christ and Saviour how or to whom was he manifested its impossible to imagine that the Godhead which is invisible and incomprehensible can be manifested to the external senses of men But the true Christ and our only Saviour was thus Manifested as it is witnessed by Christs faithful Apostles sc in 1 Ioh. chap. 1. ver 1. 2 3. there speaking of the Lord Jesus Christ personally God man they declare That which was from the beginning which we have heard which we have seen which we have looked upon and our hands have handled of the word of life Note here that the blessed Apostles testifie that they had heard and seen Jesus Christ the true and only Saviour looking upon him and handled him by being in his Company But as for your Idol light-Christ it was never visible but ever invisible for ye say it is within only so that call it what ye will you nor any man else can say what it is except a Whimsey Moreover l●t it be considered how these words God was manifested in the flesh are explained by the Lord Christ himself Joh. 2. 11 This beginning of Miracles did Iesus in Cana of Galilee and manifested forth his glory that is his Godhead to Faith By this Miracle of turning water into wine the glory of the Godhead was manifested in the ho●y of his Flesh that is to say the Lord Christ did by that and other Miracles which he wrought in the sight of the Beholders make it manifest that he was true God and true man in one person which is so great a Mystery that neither Saints nor Angels are able to comprehend it this is indeed the genuine sense of that Scripture sc Great is the Mystery God was manifest in the flesh And to force it to speak otherwise is a most wretched and sinful wresting of the Text but the Disputant being as bold as blind added as aforesaid viz. That to Preach any other Gospel is to be accursed meaning to preach otherwise then that the Godhead only in the flesh all mankind fl●sh to be the true Christ and only Saviour is to be accursed these words were being his third Text of Scripture repeated by him shall now be considered whether wrested or no. Tent 3d. Gal. 1. 8 9. If any Man Preach any other Gospel unto you then that which we have Preached unto you and ye have received let him be accursed Ans I pray thee Frances what was the Name of that Apostle who preached the Godhead as distinct from Christs Manhood to be the true Christ and only Saviour oh thou poor filly man was there ever or will there ever be remission of sins Preached by the Spirit but by and through the one Man Jesus Christ the Apostle Paul Heb. 10. 29. saith in effect to Preach otherwise is to despite the Spirit of Grace even the Doctrine of the Spirit Rom. 5. 15. Much more the Grace of God and the gift by Grace which is by one Man Jesus Christ hath abounded unto many I shall let this pass a little and proceed to a consideration of the Text it self And for our so doing this Question doth necessarily arise Quest What was the Gospel that Paul Preached Answ He Preached the Faith i. e. the Gospel of Faith which once he destroyed and persecuted Gal. 1. 23. Now the Faith which Paul once persecuted was the Faith of believing in Jesus of Nazareth the man approved of God among the people Act. 2. 22. to be the true Christ and our only Saviour then by good consequence the Gospel which the Apostle Preached was to believe in the Name Jesus Christ of Nazareth to be the true Christ our only Saviour and Justifier in the sight of God without the works of Law in or by us To clear this Answer yet a little further let Pauls own Confession be observed Act. 22. 4. And I Persecuted this way namely of believing in Jesus of Nazareth to be the true Christ and only Saviour unto the Death binding an●d delivering into the Prisons both Men and Women ver 7. And I heard a voice saying unto me Saul Saul why persecutest thou me ver 8. And I answered who art thou Lord