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A92823 A second part of the religious demurrer; by another hand. Or, an answer to a tract called The lawfullnesse of obeying the present government. / By a lover of truth and peace. Lover of truth and peace.; Ward, Nathaniel, 1578-1652. 1649 (1649) Wing S2314; Thomason E530_31; ESTC R203433 11,345 8

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consider whether they that took that Oath are not bound to resist that force if they have any power and to help to settle the Heir or if they want power yet not to submit willingly to that force in opposition to that right and in violation of that Oath Though the Covenant speaks not of the Allegiance to Heirs and Successors yet the Protestation refers unto it in terminis And that we suppose binds us to endeavour the succession of the Heir Else how could the Lady Iane be a Traitor against Qu Mary whose claim of the Crown an tecedent to the others enjoyment could only be a crime because it prejudiced the Heir in hindering as much as in her was the succession Nor could any thing be Treason which is only derogatory to the succession And if such as at any time have power debar a rightfull Heir they must not be punished afterward when the other is stronger because the strength of the former made it no crime at the time when it was done However the many obligations to Monarchy as well as to the partia●●●● Monarch are obligatory though there were a doubt concerning the person We cannot close with such a party we think but we become accessaries post sacsum to what perhaps it is impossible at present to be helped At last he puts a quaerie While the Son is in the same posture with the Father how comes this Oath to plead for disobedience in regard of the Son that was asleep and silent in regard of the Father The answer is 1. The Son is not altogether in the same posture with the Father for the Father was in Arms against a lawfull and coordinate Authority of the Kingdom but the Son now is claiming his own right as Heir to the Crown hath a good cause so far and a just claim opposing not the same power as some think but unlawfull Martiall usurpation over his own personall rights and over the three Estates the sundamentall Authority of this Kingdom the King Lords and Commons 2. The Father himself was under those pretended crimes for which he was put to death then and before the Covenant was taken to preserve his person and the King the Law 〈◊〉 never dies 3. Disobedience was not pleaded to his Authoritative will but his personall will and so the objection was neither silent nor asleep in regard of the Father but all things being acted is the name of the King and Parliament his Title was both acknowledged and asserted which is now otherwise when in regard both of the Son and of Monarchy it self it is disclaimed 4 If the Son were in any crime equall with the Father yet the right or Title to the Crown upon his Father dea●● doth quit him from all stain by the Laws of the Land Therefore obedience may be due to him and the Oath may stand up to plead for disobedience to usurped power in regard of the Son which was asleep and silent in regard of the father For a conclusion of all If men were as sensible of duty as they are of danger and more af●●●● to sin than to suffer I am very confideut that such weak shifts as large consciences can finde 〈◊〉 help them swallow a Cammell who heretosoth strained at a gnat and such consulting with 〈◊〉 and bloud would have no place with them I shall only make two requests One that the Auth●●● of the Tract would consider seriously whether the maintaining and abetting those that 〈◊〉 with the fist of wickednesse be the way to peace The Other That the Lord would guide all L●●●● of truth and peace into the way of peace which is Righteousnesse and that be would grant 〈◊〉 all the people of the Land faithfullnesse to their Oathes and Covenants and sincerity and uprightnesse of heart that they may have no fellowship with the unfruitfull works of darknesse but rather reprove them FINIS EPHESIANS 5.11 Have no fellowship with the unfruitfull works of darknesse but rather reprove them 1 TIMOTHY 5.22 Neither be partaker of other mens sinnes
power with wrong to the right Heir we sin and so much the more if bound by Oathes and Covenants not to assist or comply with any others neither for fear nor favour deserting our engagements which are the words of the solemne Covenant Not suffering our selves directly or indirectly by whatsoever combination perswasion or terrour to be withdrawn from this blessed union c. but shall all the daies of our lives zealously constantly continue therein against all opposition and promote the same according to our power against all lets and impediments whatsoever c. All which whether it can so easily be dispensed with as this Gent. seems to hold forth I leave to every conscience to consider And whereas saies he some speak of a time for settlement they indeed do rather speak for a time of unsettlement c. They mean if a Government be once setled by the generality of the people and no power appears to bring it back to the former state they may better comply with it In repub constituta not constituenda And this is no unsettlement unlesse it be an unsetling of an usurped Government which men in Covenant ought to endeavour to their utmost power and however to be rather passive in than active to the settlement of it which if it were generally done might by the blessing of God upon faithfullnesse to a right Heir and to our Oaths and Covenants perhaps prevail to make the usurpers think of some better way of reducing the Government to the ancient channell Whereas this way of compliance fastens and settles them in their sin and Government together And whereas he saith that may be called a settlement when there is such a way setled that men may have justice if they will and may enjoy the main end of Magistracy to live a peaceable life in godlinesse and honesty I answer Such a settlement as is pleaded for is not the way to enjoy the main end of Magistracy c. For how can a people consenting readily together to a violation of so sacred a Covenant and Oath ever be like to live a peaceable life in godlinesse or honesty And indeed saies he when one is in possession by power and another pretends a Title what can the body of a Nation do in this case they cannot judge of Titles c. True in some doubtfull cases they cannot but in our case who is so simple that he cannot judge of the Title where it is and where it is not who hath not or may not hear of the Oathes of Allegiance and Supremacy who hath not heard of Parliamentary Declarations for the right and Title Whatever it was in former times the Title is now clear to every eye and if it were doubtfull our engagements are gone out into all the world To that he answers Surely Oathes are sacred bonds and reverend obligements c. yet there are faults on both hands on the one side the slighting of an Oath But we finde some part of the Vow and Covenant to speak of all the daies of our lives c. True it is the obligation of some things may end as that of the Kings Person c. To which and the rest we say the Kings Person in England never dies saies the Law such a King we are bound to preserve Suppose the King had died in wars or a naturall death and his Son had been in Arms at his death would not our Covenant have reached to binde us to the preservation of the Sons person as well as of the Fathers whatever men think now I am confident two or three years ago most men would have been of this minde 2. It is indeed impossible to preserve that Kings person yet saies the Gent. We finde some part of the Vow and Covenant to speak of all the daies of our lives as to extirpate profanenesse heresie blasphemy and for Reformation All which it were well if the Covenanters would remember to observe But I shall remember him of more To preserve the rights and priviledges of Parliament and the Liberties of the Kingdom c. Are these things impossible now to be preserved and if not do they not still binde us to endeavour them 2. His words are worthy to be printed and printed again Will any man that understands and favours Religion and piety say that the clauses which concern Religion and piety are expired Did we promise to God in our severall places and callings to extirpate profanenesse heresie blasphemy and to endeavour a Reformed life in our selves and ours onely till our enemies were overcome and then to make an end Say the same of our promises to preserve the rights and priviledges of Parliament and liberties and Laws of the Kingdom What were this but to say unto God if thou wilt deliver us we will be bound to thee till we are delivered and no longer c. Surely this is too like that course of carnall Israel Ps 78.14 c. But he goes on Here it were good to consider whether there be any clause in any Oath or Covenant which in a fair and commonsence forbids obedience to the commands of the present Government much lesse when no other can be had and so the Commonwealth must go to ruine We answer yes there is by necessary consequence that clause in the Oath or Covenant that commands obedience and faith to the King his Heirs and Successors and to the Laws established forbids obedience to any other power or Authority raised up against them Nor will that salve it which he adds when no other can be had for another may be had and might perhaps have been had ere this if some men in place had not complied with that force put upon the Houses and Kingdom If they did it upon antecedent consent they are deeply and hainously guilty if upon perswasion or terrour contrary to their engagements in the Covenant yet are they too guilty to be excused as accessaries post factum to say no more But saies he If the Kings Heirs be not his Successors how doth that Oath binde either the word Successors must be superfluous or else it must binde to Successors as well as to Heirs And it hindes not to a Successor that is not an Heir how can it binde to and Heir that is not a Successor In answer we say 1. Who keeps the Heir from being a Successor They that made the Act against succession to which this Gent. perhaps gave his Vote or at least complies and acts with those that did so Vote in acting for a Republike in opposition to it 2. The word Successor is not superfluous for it is put by way of exposition of the word Heir who ought to be the Successor And it matters not how Successor is sometime taken In the Oath of Supremacie or Allegiance it is not meant of any Successor but a lawfull Successor as the words expressy are If then any force debar the succession of the right and lawfull Heir let him