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A56213 The substance of a speech made in the House of Commons by Wil. Prynn of Lincolns-Inn, Esquire, on Munday the fourth of December, 1648 touching the Kings answer to the propositions of both Houses upon the whole treaty, whether they were satisfactory, or not satisfactory : wherein the satisfactorinesse of the Kings answers to the propositions for settlement of a firm lasting peace, and future security of the subjects against all feared regall invasions and encroachments whatsoever is clearly demonstrated ... and that the armies remonstrance, Nov. 20, is a way to speedy and certain ruine ... / put into writing, and published by him at the importunate request of divers members, for the satisfaction of the whole kingdome, touching the Houses vote upon his debate. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1649 (1649) Wing P4093; ESTC R38011 126,097 147

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certain destructions and desolation to this poor Kingdome and more especially to the Army and their adherents in this desperate advice who must stand or fall upon their own bottome without the least aid or contribution from any other I desire them and all others who have either eyes or brains in their heads most seriously to consider But that which makes me most of all detest this desperate advice is this That it is the only way that can be thought upon to accomplish the Popes and Jesuites designs to set up Popery and subvert the Protestant Religion and professors of it in all our three Kingdoms and in all forraign Realms beyond the Seas For if this reforming Parliament which hath pretended so much to the extirpation of Popery shall so far play the Popes and Jesuites the undoubted contrivers of this Armys New-model of our peace and settlement as to depose and behead the King his father and forever disinherit him of the Crown bring him as a Traitor to die without mercy if he come hither It wil so far provoke and exasperate him the Duke being both young and of generous spirits not throughly grounded in our Religion and under the Queens tuition and in the power of this popish party abroad who will aggravate these high affronts and injuries put upon them to the utmost and on whose protection they will be in this case necessitated to cast themselves that there is great fear and probability they will immediately renounce such a bloody and detestable Religion as shall ins●igate us to such horrid actions and Councels and abominate all the professors of it so as totally to abandon them and turn Roman Catholicks in good earnest and then match themselves to great potent popish Alliances and by their purses forces and assistance and of the Popes and all his Catholick sonnes in Forraigne parts for the advancement of the Catholick cause and of the popish Malignants and discontented parties in England Scotland and Ireland which will questionlesse receive and assist the Prince as their Soveraign Lord and King invade our poore impoverished divided and distressed kingdom with such a power as in all humane probability would speedily over-runne and destroy this mutinous Army and the Houses too put them with their adherents to the Sword without mercy or quarter and disinherit them and their heirs for ever to revenge their Fathers blood and their dis-inherison of the Crown c. And then Popery and Prelacy will both return with greater authority power approbation then ever over-spread our whole three kingdoms and extirpate our Religion the professors of it as the most anti-Monarchical treacherous and perfidious bloody Miscreants under heaven excite all other forraign States and kingdoms to do the like to prevent the springing up of a new generation of treacherous King-killing State-subverting Agitators and Hypocritical perfidious Army-Saints and engage all Protestant kingdoms Churches and States for their own security and vindication to disclaim and declare against us This questionlesse will be the sad inevitable issue of this Jesuiticall advice if ever the Houses or Army shall put it into actuall execution and not speedily prevent it it being long since fore-plotted by the Jesuites as I shall prove anon at the beginning of the late Warre against the Scots But if the Prince and Duke be set aside I would gladly learn of these Statists who and what King they would set up Not any of the Kings posterity certainly since they dis-inherit two at a blow and the blood being corrupted by the Kings and their attainders no other heir can inherit it by descent it must escheat to the Houses or Armies disposal and become no kingdom at all but an Elective one if any And is this the next way to peace and settlement If so I have certainly lost my reason and senses too No it will be a seminary of lasting Wars of which few elective Kingdoms are long free every new election producing commonly a new Warre where there is no pretence of an hereditary succession much more where a right heir is forcibly and unjustly dis-inherited I shall give you but one instance though I could name you divers and that is a memorable one at home in our owne kingdom King Henry the first having one onely daughter Maud to reserve the Crown unto her after his death caused her to be crowned and made all the Prelates and Nobles swear to receive her as their Queen and Princesse after his decease But she marrying afterwards to the Emperour and being out of the Realme when King Henry died The Archbishop of Canterbury with the rest of the Prelates and Nobles contrary to their Oath and agreement elected Stephen Earle of Bloyes for their King and put by Maud the right heir Stephen taking an Oath to grant and confirm those Laws and Liberties for the kingdoms peace and settlement as they propounded to him before his Coronation A very likely means to settle Peace and prosperity as they imagined But was the event answerable No verily this cursed perjury and pollicy brought all the chiefe contrivers of it to great calamity and miserable ends and engendred a bloody civill Warre in the bowels of this kingdom which continued no lesse then seventeene years together with interchangeable successes till the whole kingdom was laid waste and desolate most Houses Towns and Villages burned to the ground their Gardens and Orchards quite destroyed their monies and estates exhausted and plundered their Cattle and flocks consumed and eaten up their Fields over grown with weeds in stead of Corne most of the people devoured by the Sword Famine and Pestilence and eleven hundred Castles Holds and Garrisons erected which were no other but dens of Theeves and Plunderers This was the peace and settlement this policy produced At last both Parties weary of the Wars out of pure necessity came to a Personall Treaty and in conclusion made this agreement That Stephen having no issue of his body should enjoy the Crowne during his life and Henry son and heir to Maud and next heir also to Stephen should succeed him after his death and in some sort officiate with him in the kingdoms Govenment during his life And so these long lasting Warres concluded after which there were at least eleven hundred Castles demolished by order of Parliament crected during these wars to the Countreys utter undoing But if we dis-inherit the Prince and Duke for ought I discern if they suddainly recover not their possession of the Crown of England after one seven years of Warre already elapsed we may have seventeen years more and seventeen after that again and be reduced to a more miserable condition then our Ancestors were in King Stephens dayes And that upon these two grounds First the contest then was onely between two Competitors for this one kingdom who had no other kingdoms of their own to side with them But the Prince and Duke being successively heirs as well to
for which sin seventy thousand of his Subjects lost their lives yet was hee not arraigned nor deposed for it and God who is Soveraignly just though David was the principall malefactor in this case i● not the sole and thereupon when hee saw the Angell that smote the people cryed out Lo I have sinned and done wickedly but these Sheep what have they done Let thy hand bee against mee and my Fathers house Yet God spared him and his houshold though the principalls and punished the people only with death for this sin of his After him Solomon his son a man eminent for wisdome and piety at first apostatized to most grosse Idolatry of all sorts to please his idolatrous Wives and became a great oppressor of his people making their burthens very heavy yet his Subjects or Souldiers did neither impeach nor depose him for it and though he were the principall offendor yet God spared him for Davids sake in not taking the ten Tribes from him for these sins during his life though he rent them from his son Rhehoboam who was at most but accessory for his Fathers sins not his True it is some of the Idolatrous Kings of Israel by the just avenging hand of God were slain by private conspiracies and popular tumults in an illegall way but not deposed nor arraigned by their Sanhedrins or Generall Congregations and those who slew them were sometimes stain by others who aspired to the Crown or by the people of the Land or by their children who succeeded them and came to untimely tragicall ends 9. Though there be some Presidents of Popish States and Parliaments deposing their Popish Kings and Emperors at home and in forraign parts in an extraordinary way by power of an armed party Yet there is no president of any one Protestant Kingdom or State that did ever yet judicially depose or bring to execution any of their Kings and Princes though never so bad whether Protestants or Papists and the Protestants in France though some of their Kings when they had invested them in their Thrones became Apostates to Popery and persecuters of their people albeit they resisted them by force of arms in the field to preserve their lives did never once attempt to pull them from their Thrones or bring their persons unto Justice And I hope our Protestant Parliament will never make the first president in this kind nor stain their Honor or Religion with the blood of a Protestant King against so many Oathes Protestations Covenants Declarations and Remonstrances made and published by them to the contrary 10. For the presidents of Edward the Second and Richard the Second in times of Popery they were rather forcible resignations by power of an Army then judiciall deprivations neither of them being ever legally arraigned and brought to tryall in Parliament And Mortimer who had the chief hand in deposing King Edward the Second in the Parliament of 1 E. 3. was in the Parliament of 4 E. 3. impeached condemned and executed as a Traitor and guilty of high Treason for murthering Edward the second after he was deposed at Berkley-castle and Sir Simon Bereford together with Thomas Gurney and William Ocle were adjudged Traitors for assisting him therein one of them executed and great rewards promised to the apprehenders of the other two And as for Richard the second though he was deposed after Henry the Fourth was crowned by pretence in Parliament yet this deposition after his resignation only not before it and without any formall tryall or arraignment or any capitall judgement of death against him for which I find no president in any Parliament of England Scotland France nor yet in Denmark it self though an elective Kingdome who though they justly deposed Christiern the second for his most abominable Tyrannies and Cruelties yet they never adjudged or p●t him to death but only restrained him as a prisoner I shall only add this that though the elective Kingdoms of Hungary Bohemia Poland Denmark and Sweden have in their Parliaments and Diets deposed sundry of their Kings for their wickednesses and tyranny yet they never judicially condemned any one of them to death though Papists And for a Protestant Parliament to please an Army only acted by Jesuites in this particular to render both Parliament Army and our Religion too for ever execrable throughout the world and set all mens pens and hands against them to their ruine to begin such a bloody president as this upon a most false pretext of setling peace contrary to the express command of God himself who commands Christians To pray for Kings and all in authority that they may live a quiet and peaceable life under them in all godlinesse and honesty not to depose or cut of their heads as the only way to peace and settlement will not only be scandalous but monstrous The next thing they propose for a present peace and settlement it the executing of the Prince if hee come not over upon summons at a short day and give not satisfaction to the Houses or else to declare him and the Duke of York if they appear not upon summons to bee uncapable of any Trust or Government in this Kingdom or any Dominions thereunto belonging and thence to stand exiled for ever as Enemies and Traitors to die without mercy if ever taken or found therein A Jesuiticall inevitable way to civill Wars and ruine For the King being deposed and cut off the Prince no doubt is next heir to the Crown both by the common Law and the statute of 1. Iacobi cap. 1. to which I doubt a Vote or Ordinance of both Houses only will be no such legall barre in any Lawyers or Wisemans Judgement but that hee will claim his right and the generallity of the Kingdome at least ten thousand to one proclaim and embrace him for their lawfull King and assist him with their lives and fortunes both to regain and retain his right being bound by their Oath of Supremacy and Allegiance and their Solemn League and Covenant so to do And must not this of necessity beget a present lasting War in stead of a speedy setled peace undoubtedly it will But consider further that the Prince is not only Heir apparent to the Crown of England but of Scotland and Ireland too and though we reject yet undoubtedly Scotland and Ireland will readily imbrace him as their lawfull King notwithstanding any Votes of ours and will both unanimously assist him with their lives and fortunes to recover his right to the Crown of England and those two Kingdoms falling off wholly from us and proclaiming Warre against us and joining with that potent party here which certainly will appear in his behalfe out of a naturall inclination to the right undoubted Heir or hopes of favour and preferment since Plures solem orientem quam occidentem adorantur and with all his friends and allies Forces from abroad whether this wil not be an unavoidable occasion not only of a present war but of