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A93367 The heads and substance of a discourse; first private, and afterwards publike; held in Axbridge, in the county of Somerset, about the 6th of March, 1650. Between Iohn Smith of Badgworth, and Charls Carlile of Bitsham, &c. on the one part; and Thomas Collier of Westbury on the other. Things they are of weight and highest concernment. / Published by the said Tho. Collier of Westbury. Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691.; Smith, John, of Badgworth.; Carlile, Charles. 1651 (1651) Wing S4091; Thomason E1368_2; ESTC R209287 11,613 29

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it be God or not They answered it is God yet not communicated to the saints I answered it is in them it dwels in them they are made partakers of it Where the Lord the Spirit is there is liberty 2 Cor. 3. 17. and Joh. 14. 16 17. I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter and he shall abide with you for ever even the Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive because it seeth him not neither knoweth him but ye know him for he dwelleth in you hence take notice that the true cause why the wise men of the world do not receive this truth is because they see him not neither know him ignorance is the cause of errour upon this account it was that Christ was crucified upon this account it is that his Spirit is blasphemed this oneness in the Spirit of the Son is a mystery hid not only from the world but in a measure from the Saints too But verse 20 at that day viz. the day of Christs appearing in the revealing of this truth to his people then they shall know that I am in my Father and you in me and I in you at that day they shall know the spiritual union and indwelling presence of Father Son and Saints together But one Parson Eaton and Doctor they call him Parson of the Town newly come there a traveller and one I suppose lately come from Rome I judge it so both by his bitterness inraged spirit set on fire of hell and likewise his principle which he declared he speaks to this purpose if this be a truth then the Saints are God for to whomsoever the Spirit of Christ is communicated they are no longer man but God they must of necessity be God I answered there is no truth in what you affirm I shall make it appear to you thus Christ you will grant was made partaker of the Divine nature the essence was communicated to him and yet he retained his humane nature his manhood was not turned into or confounded with the Godhead he answered that the manhood of Christ was God that God was made man and man was God I denyed it desiring him to prove it he answered I might as well desire him to prove that there was a God as to prove the manhood of Christ to be God in conclusion he produced John 1. The word which was God was made flesh and dwelt amongst us And Acts 20. it is said that God purchased his Church with his own bloud c. I answered the Word was made flesh that is compared with 1 Tim. 3. 16. manifest in flesh great is the mystery of Godliness God manifest in flesh else you destroy the humanity of the Son and his bloud is said to be the bloud of God 1. Because it was the bloud of him who was taken into special spiritual union with the Father Believe me saith Christ the Father is in me Joh. 4. 2. Because it was that bloud the Father had appointed for the manifestation of his love and the expiation of sin yet not of the essence of God This principle that God is man and man God is Jesuitical and came from Rome 8. Particular 8. He affirmed that the bodies of the Saints should be turned into Spirits To which I answered this I own as the Scripture holds it forth viz. Into spiritual bodies it s the word of the Apostle 1 Cor. 15. It s sown a natural body it s raised a spiritual body they answered that Spirits have no bodies therefore if raised Spirits then no bodies for bodie relates unto flesh I answered sin is not flesh and bloud yet called a body that the body of sin might be destroyed c. they said it was called so Metaphorically and so are the Saints in the Resurrection called bodies in regard of its likeness or manifestation to the creatures apprehension for there are Celestial bodies and Terrestial bodies earthly heavenly spiritual fleshly The Apostle saith that flesh and bloud cannot inherit the kingdome of heaven they answered that the Apostle intended by flesh and bloud corrupt nature sin that must be done away I answered the Apostle is not treating about the Resurrection of corruption or corrupt nature but of the body flesh and bloud which cannot inherit the kingdome for the kingdome of heaven is spiritual and only spirit shall inherit it Thou fool that which thou sowest is not quickned except it die that is die to its old nature and form and he giveth it a body as pleaseth him to every seed his own body not the body or likeness of the first man which is of the earth earthly but of the second which is the Lord from heaven this being the mysterious work the Lord hath to effect in and upon his people to bring them out of the nature of the one into the nature and glory of the other The ninth Particular 9. He affirmed that the Moral Law was abolished The truth was and it was assented to that the Moral Law was abolished to believers as held forth in the hand of Moses but unbelievers are still under the Law for whatsoever the Law saith it saith to them which are under the Law Rom. 3. 19. but believers are not under the Law Rom. 6. 14. therefore the Law saith nothing to them they answered that was they are not under the condemnation of the Law nay but the Apostle saith they are not under it therefore the Law viz. as in the hands of Moses saith nothing to them for there is a great mysterie in the right understanding of the difference between the dispensation of Law and Gospel Moses and Christ The Law came by Moses grace and truth came by Jesus Christ He viz. Parson Smith asked if I denyed the Law and whether there was no Law to believers I told him No I knew a Law under which believers were he professed he knew no other Law then the Law of Moses I told him if he would confess his ignorance I would tell him of another Law he said he knew it not I answered there is a Law of Grace both within and without That within is the Law written in the heart promised in Jer. 31. and made good in the Gospel Heb. 8. That Law of the spirit of life spoken of by Paul Rom. 8. which made him free from the Law of sin and death this Law is the light and guide of Saints whosoever hath not this Law within him is none of his Rom. 8. 9. 2. There is a Law without likewise the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is the Law of Love a light and guide likewise in our weakness and childhood unto the heavenly Canaan He answered this was all one with what he held I answered nay for he held still to the Law of Moses he asked if believers should act contrary to the Law of Moses I answered nay not in the substance of it yet it behoves them to know the difference between Moses and