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A07886 A discourse of trade, from England vnto the East-Indies answering to diuerse obiections which are vsually made against the same. By T.M.; Discourse of trade, from England unto the East-Indies. Mun, Thomas, 1571-1641. 1621 (1621) STC 18255; ESTC S101128 32,159 66

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And likewise for the Bread and Bisket which is shipped from hence hath it not alwaies beene made of French Corne purposly brought ouer hither and that at a deare rate onely to preserue the plentie of our owne graine vntill now of late daies that the Farmers heere beginne to cry out and say That the cheapnesse of Corne doth disinable them to pay their deare Rents Thus doe the East India Company euerie way accommodate their proceedings for the good of the Kingdome And further concerning their Drinke is it not a very great part water Some Wine and Sider and but little Beere Also the Flesh they eate is Beefe and Porke and that onely for three daies in a weeke the rest of their victuals is Fish some Butter Cheese Pease Oatemale and other things all which is proportioned into a very sparing dyet to euerie man by allowance so that heere is no excesse nor ryot or any other meanes to make our victuals scant and deare as is by some erroniously supposed but rather by this course of life our plentie is much aduanced And so I will giue answer to the next part which is mortalitie and great decay of Marriners The life of man is so pretious that it ought not lightly to be exposed to danger And yet we know that the whole course of our life is nothing but a passage vnto Death wherein one can neither stay nor slacke his pace but all men runne in one manner and in one celeritie The shorter liuer runnes his course no faster then the long both haue a like passage of time howbeit the first hath not so farre to runne as the later Now it is this length of life which Nature seekes and States likewise endeauour to preserue in worthy men but none are accounted so worthy in this nature saue onely they who labour in their vocations and functions both for the publique good and for their priuate benefit Thus may we esteeme our good Marriners to be of no small vse vnto this Common-wealth but take them from their laudable and accustomed imployments for want of voyages to Sea wee see what desperate courses they doe then attempt by ioyning euen with Turkes and Infidels to rob and spoyle all Christian Nations so that we may conclude we must not onely breed vp Marriners but also seeke by Trade to giue them maintenance Well all this is true but say they the East India company doth neither breed nor maintaine but destroy the wonted number of our Marriners How can this be when it is most certaine that England besides the East India fleets had neuer yet more shipping then at this present neither do any of them stay at home for want of Marriners no not at this time when many hundred Saylers are employed in extraordinary seruice for his Maiestie in a Royall fleete of ships now at Sea besides those great numbers of our best Marriners which haue beene and dayly are wasted and taken prisoners by the Turkes so where is this want or what is our misery more then the want of true information in them that are so ill perswaded of our company Is it not certaine that as the East India voyages are long so likewise in Natures course many should die by length of time although they stayd at home And to recompence the losse of those that dye doe not the East India company with great prouidence yearly ship out at least 400. Landmen in their fleets which in one voyage proue good Marriners to serue the Kingdome and Common wealth vnto which many of them were a burthen before they obtained this employment And thus is the Kingdome purged of desperate and vnruly people who being kept in awe by the good discipline at Sea do often change their former course of life and so aduance their fortunes Neither indeed are these voyages so dangerous and mortall as is reported for how many of our ships haue gone and come from the East Indies without the losse of fiue men in a hundreth Others againe haue had worse successe in the first beginning when the seasons the places and their contagions were not so well knowne vnto vs yet time hath taught vs many things both for the preseruation of health and speedier performance of our voyage thē heretofore But the Method of my discourse bids me write more of this in the next part which is destruction and this I must diuide into two parts In the first I will consider the want of diuers ships sent to the East Indies which are wasted there And in the second I will answer the supposed ouerthrow of the Turkie trade together with much of our shipping which were wont to bee employed thither First therefore concerning the decay of our ships in the Indies it cannot be denyed but there hath been great spoyle of them in these three last yeares not by the dangers of the Seas or by the strength of enemies but by vnkinde and vnexspected quarrels with our neighbours the Hollanders who haue taken and surprised twelue of our ships at seuerall times and in sundry places to our vnspeakeable losse and hinderance together with the death of many of our worthyest Marriners who haue beene slaine and died prisoners vnder their hands and this hath so much the more 〈…〉 the rumour of their mortality Neither list I here to aggrauate the fact more thē thus breifly to giue answer to the obiection for our late vnion with the Dutch doth promise a double recompence of gain in time to come And they who make this Trade so poore and vnprofitable are much mistaken in the reckoning for the present losses which causeth many aduenturers so much to despaire is not in the substance of the Trade but by the euill accidents which hane befalne the same to make this point more plain I must yet declare some other particulars in which I will endeauour very briefly to set downe the summe of the whole businesse which the English hath hitherto performed in the East Indies First therefore I doe obserue that since the beginning of this Trade vntill the Moneth of Iuly last Anno 1620. there haue beene sent thither 79. ships in seuerall voyages whereof 34. are already come home in safety richly laden 4. haue beene worne out by long seruice from port to port in the Indies 2. were ouerwhelmed in the trimming there 6. haue beene cast away by the perils of the Seas 12. haue beene taken and surprized by the Dutch whereof diuers will be wasted and little worth before they be restored and 21. good ships do still remaine in the Indies So this is a true account of our ships And next concerning our stocke it is a certaine truth that in all the sayde ships there hath beene sent out in ready money as well out of this Realme as from all other places wheresoeuer beyond the Sea which hath not been landed in this Kingdom the vallue of 548090. pounds sterling in forraine
Neither is it needfull for me to set downe the particulars of these abuses for they are too well knowne and I am confident that the wisedome of our Gouernment doth endeuour to see them as well amended to the glorie of God the honour of the King and the good of the Common-wealth Amen FINIS The First part concerneth the vse of Indian wares Sir Thomas Elyot his Castle of health Rembert Dodoneus his history of Plants The French Academy second part and others France and the Low Countries of late yeares do make great quantities of wrought silke of which wares they were heretofore serued from Italy France Italy South Barbary and other Countries The Second part Sheweth the manner the meanes by which Indian wares haue beene and now are brought into Europe b Rates vpon all sorts of Spices 22. per cent Rawe-Silkes esteemed about 2. per cent Indico about 8. per cent Such people as affect not the good of this Kingdome The quantitie of Spice Indico and Persian Raw-Silke yeerely consumed in Europe The exportation of the value of 953543. l. starling out of Christendome into Turkey yeerely saued Instance only that ten shillings imployed in Pepper in the East-Indies will require thirty and fiue shillings for all charges whatsoeuer to deliuer it in London The great Summes of money which the Persians and the Indians carrie yeerely out of Turkey The East-India Companie doe endeauor to bring the Raw-Silkes from Persia directly by Sea Marcellis sendeth yeerely to Aleppo Alexandria at least 500000. l. sterling and little or no wares Venice sendes about the value of 100000. l. and a great value in wares The Lowcountries sends about the value of 50000. l. sterling monies and litle wares Messina 25000. l. in ready money Abissians a people in Ethiopia whose influence hath made them dull lazy and without artes enioying diuers Mines of Gold and one of Siluer which doe procure their wants of forren wares Turkey hath litle meanes for Linnen but onely from India The proceedings of some States in Italy for the maintenance of Artes. The ready moneys which are yearly carried from some States of Italy into Sicilia How Marcellis and Venice are furnished with ready moneys The Italyan Merchants doe furnish the king of Spaine with money in Italy and Flanders The third part doth shew how the East-India Trade doth enrich this Kingdome How much money and wares the East-India Company haue sent forth euer sithence the beginning of this Trade The vent of English wares increased in the Indies Our stock may be much increased by Trade from Port to Porte in the Indies The moneys sent to the Indies is all forren Coyne The East-India Companie are obliged to bring in as much money as they carry out of the Realme Tobacco Raysons Oyles and Wines whereof there is no want but rather too much Smoake A propotion of such Trade as is hoped yeerely to be brought into this Realme from East-India How much the kingdomes stocke may increase yeerely by trading to the East-Indies 2500. Tonnes of shipping wil lade home all the wares afore written from the East-Indies And the materialls of the said shipping vnwrought is worth about 15000 l. sterling India wares wil bring readie moneys into the Realme We haue no other meanes to procure Treasure but by Trade and Merchandize The French and the Venetians send the vallue of 600000. l. sterling yeerely in ready money into Turkey Trade maketh some States very rich which haue little other meanes If the generall Trade of this kingdome doth export a greater value in wares then it doth import yearely then doth our treasure increase The trade to the East-Indies may be said to export 480000 poundes and to importe 120000. l. yearely So the ouerballance is 360000. poundes sterling Euery action ought especially to be considered in his ende The East-Indian wares which were sent beyond the seas are sould and haue then finall end in money which might be brought into this Realme in that kind if our other Trades did not diuert the same The first part concerneth the folly of the Obiection The prouidence of the East-India company for timber and Planke The East-India Trade hath not indeared the materialls which serue to make Shippes The second Part sheweth the mistaking in the Obiection The warlike prouision which the East-India Companie keepe in store His Maiesties strength in the East-India Company alone The shippes which returne from the East-Indies home may be repayred in a very short time The first Part concerneth Dearth The manner how the East India Company do victuall their ships The Second Part concerneth Mortality Good Marriners are accounted worthy men in a Common-wealth The breeding of 400. Marriners yearely Besides that the feare of a few mens death ought not to ouerthrow or hinder the performance of honourable actions for the seruice of the King and cōmonwealth Our Marriners owne disordered life is that which killeth many of them The third Part concernes the decay of shipping which haue beene sent to the Indies Our troubles with the Dutch The summe of the affaires to the East Indies euer since the Trade began Account of all the money and goods which hath been sent to the East Indies euer since the beginning of the Trade 356288. l. sterling hath been returned from the East Indies which did produce here towards charges 1914600. sterling There remains yet in the East Indies to be returned home from thence about 400000 l. starling Concerning the decay of shipping and Trade into Turkey The Turkey Merchants can and will iustify this truth The strength of the East India ships The fourth Part concernes the pouerty of widdowes c· The East India Trade doth employ many poore men deboist people which other trades refuse Wages before hand is not giuen in other Merchants voyages neither yet so great wages as the East India company pay When did any of these widdowes beg for reliefe in our Churches as others often doe The East India company their charity The fift Part concerneth the cheapnesse of Spice and Indico at this present in respect of former times Prices of spice and Indico in former times Prices of spice and Indico in these later times Lesse then 18. thousand pounds sterling in the Indies will buy Spice and Indico to serue this Realme for a yeare which is not halte so much money as it spendeth beyond the seas to buy Currans onely or to buy Tobacco The wares only which are sent out of this kingdome into the East Indies are of sufficient value to 〈…〉 this Realme 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Indian wares Persian Raw Silkes only accepted The first Part concerneth his Maiesties Mint 25000. pounds waight at least of Siluer yearely melted down into Plate besides old Plate new fashioned as by credible report There hath bin coyned great store of Gold Siluer in his Maiesties Mint since the East India Trade began There hath bin little or no Siluer coyned in some yeares when the East India Company sent out very small sums of money Some causes and meanes which were wont to bring Siluer into the Realme are ceased at this present time The Second Part concerneth the putting downe of the East India Trade The East-India Trade is greatly desired by other Christian Nations The Dutch might grow strong and rich by our destruction The Third Part concerneth the councel which the Obiecters demaund The riches of a Kingdome is of two sorts This kind of industry maketh some Countries which are poor in themselues to grow rich and strong by other Nations who haue greater meanes and are lesse industrious Foure Principall Causes which carry away our Gold and Siluer The First Cause concerneth the Standard Proceeding against entercourse The Second Cause concerneth the Exchanges of moneys with forreine Countries The practise of those strangers here in this Realme who make a Trade by Exchange of moneys Forraine wares brought in with our ready moneys carryed out of this Realme· The third cause concerneth neglect of duties Our heauy money is conueyed beyond the seas and melted downe here in the realme Anno 17. Edw. 4. The fourth cause concerneth our cōmerce with strangers Vnskilfull Merchants ouerthrow our Trades Merchants by education are onely fit to trade in forren parts How rich cōmonwealths may become poore Forrain wares brought in for Transito cannot hurt but greatly helpe the common-wealth Hopes to increase Trade by exportation of Indian wares to forrain parts The particular Trade to the East Indies wil bring great store of treasure into this Realme if the generall Trade of this kingdome doe not hinder and consume it The Dutch in particular are said to reape such infinite wealth yearely by this fishing Trade that without more certain knowledge thereof I dare not set downe the sum it seemeth so vncredible