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A41781 The infants advocate against the cruel doctrine of those Presbyterians who hold, that the greatest part of dying infants shall be damned : in answer to a book of Mr. Giles Firmin's entituled, Scripture warrant, &c. / by Tho. Grantham. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1688 (1688) Wing G1538; ESTC R43209 26,760 32

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