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A89824 An answer to a book called The Quakers catechism, put out by Richard Baxter. Wherein the slanderer is searched, his questions answered, and his deceit discovered, whereby the simple have been deceived: and the popery proved in his own bosom, which he would cast upon the Quakers. Published for the sake of all who desire to come out of Babylon, to the foundation of the true prophets and apostles, where Christ Iesus is the light and corner stone; where God is building a habitation of righteousness and everlasting peace; where the children of light do rest. Also some quæries for the discovering the false grounds of the literal preist-hood of these days, in the last times of antichrist. If you know the truth, the truth shall make you free. / Iames Nailor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1655 (1655) Wing N258; Thomason E851_1; ESTC R207416 51,999 51

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Antichrist who denyed Christ in them but they that believe hath the witness in themselves and they that abode not in the Doctrine of Christ and had the Father and 2 Iohn 9. 10 the Son they was not to receive them into their houses neither bid them God speed and wouldst thou be found in these practises and have us to apply these Scriptures to us who deny those practises thou canst not hide thy self here when thou finds us in those things apply thou those Scriptures unto us in the mean time take thy portion from them being condemned by them and we have considered those Scriptures and finde them written against thy generation and your practise and so we apply them unto you And for the clearer manifesting what Gospel and faith thou Preaches I shall lay down these queries following they being that which every true Minister knows and very needful to be known to all people FIrst Hath the first Adam power upon earth to defile all that are in him and hath not the second as much power and vertue to cleanse from all sin all that are in him if so then what is the cause men must commit sin and be imperfect while they live in this world 2. Whether is that new birth spoken on without which none can be saved Christ formed in believers or only a believing that he was manifest in the flesh 1655 years since and hath not the Devil and reprobates this beliefe latter mentioned 3. Hath any life eternal in them but who hath the flesh and blood of Christ in them and is life eternal known any other way savingly in this world while people live 4. Is any the Sons of God further then they are guided by the Spirit of God in all things and is not the Spirit of God a sufficient guide to all who have it in all things without any other help according to the measure received 5. Whether the Spirit of God in them who have it according to its measure be not the absolute Judge of all Spirits the opener of all Scriptures and whether needs it any visible thing to add to it or can any other thing judge it 6. Whether can any other Spirits judge of Scripture or any of the works of God aright but wrests Scripture to the destruction of creatures and calls light darkness and darkness light and can any other spirit judg according to God in any thing 7. Whether the Word of God can be changed or can it admit of severall meanings as to one particular thing is it visible or invisible ●●r is there any word but one and whether was that word before the letter and shall be when the letter is turned to dust 8. Whether is the least measure of saving faith present power against the greatest power of darkness and able to keep out of all sin whatsoever if the creature abide in it 9. Whether ever any Minister of Christ had any hand in imprisoning any man for coming into their meeting places or was any beat in the meeting places where a Minister of Christ was preacher and was it not the manner of the Apostles to reason and dispute in the Synagogues against their false worship and was not all persecutors and fighters against God who opposed them and is it not the same now where the same Spirits are and is that the Spirit of God or of the Devil which sayes its no more persecution to put such in prison than to burn a thiefe in the hand as thou dost 10. Where that temple of God is where the man of sins sits shewing himself that he is God and must not the Light of Israel reveale him first where he is and then binde him and cast him out and when he is cast out whether is not the body of sin wholly put off yea or nay or can he return in again unless the creatures mind go out to his temtations first and do not such depart out of the covenant of life and faith and so make shipwrack of the good conscience 11. Whether is the light of Christ Spirituall or can it be known any other way but in Spirit within and is not the light of Christ within the absolute way out of death and darkness or doth it stand need of any temporall thing to help it to enlighten those who are turned to it believe in it and love it 12. Whether is the Gospel Ministry the same it was in the Apostles times both for matter and manner means and maintenance if nor when was it changed and by whom into Steeplehouses Tythes and great Parsonages and that order of worship now used seeing you are erred out of the way of the Apostles in every particular of your worship 13. Whether may not the Spirit of God in whom it is use the same words against false teachers now as it former hath done against them that was found in the same practise and is there any plainer tryall of these two Spirits in this world the● by their fruits herein as is found in Scripture and is it now any more railing and bla●p●emy than it was then or by what name m●●t a lye be called according to Scripture and the practise of Christ These queries I have not put forth to keep up strife but being things much contended about with many if thou in plainness give an accompt o● thy faith herein the difference may be known betwixt us and you Priests Teachers and whether of us owns the Saints practise as is declared in Scripture but if thou fold them up by six together and send us to a book to seek an answer we know not where as thou d●dst in thy last book or if thou answer them with sleighting and shuffling when thou come to the Thing intended as thou hast done thou wilt be seen and thy cover wil discover thee to all the children of light FINIS
and Vagabonds and disturbs our peace and worships c. but the light is come your mysts wil not hide you the Sun is risen and you are seen in the work against the same Spirit nothing altered but the persons or places or time where had ever ministers of Christ hand in persecuting any upon any account whatsoever prove your practise herein Then thou goes on to tell what that death is that passed upon all men and thou sayes its the separation of the soul from the body thou blind for did not death pass upon Adam til soul and body was separated this is like thy opinion of the soul but how canst thou who art in death know what it is those whom Christ quickned who were dead E●h 2. 1. 5. was they such who had no souls nay thou must own the Light before thou know what death is death reigns in lyars and envious ones 18. qu. What is the Flaming Sword that keeps the Tree of Life the Cherubims and this thou answers with calling it a foolish question and adds a lye to it saying we have not seen it thou sayes it shall suffice thee to know there is such a thing which knowledg is no more in thee but hearsay but the sight thou puts far off into the world to come and the Tree of Life also for thou that never saw the Flaming Sword Cherubims never came near the Tree of Life but as I said before feeds upon death thy own cursed carnall knowledg which God hath forbidden 19. qu. Whether they that stand praying in the Synagogues or Idols Temples and love greetings in Markets and bind heavie burthens on the people are called of men masters be not out of Christs Doctrine and this falling upon the head of the Serpent being thy own practise thou art forced to take thy old crooked winding wayes to get out and thou begins to question instead of answer saying if your Temples be Christ Temples do not we make Christ an Idoll by calling them Idolls Temples I say they are not Christ Temples unless thou mean the Pope be he whose Temples they are who builded and consecrated them into the names of dead men and women and set up in them a dead worship all which Christ never commanded but the Temple of Christ is made without hands and there he dwells and not in Temples made with hands hast thou a face to father those upo● Christ wherein you generation of blood-suckers have worshipped in them ever since they was builded do not they stand witnesses against you that you are the children of them who slew the Martyrs and now are found beating in the same SYNAGOGUES and shedding Blood as far as you can get the same power by which they did it CHRIST had never such TEMPLES stop thy MOUTH for SHAME And thou goes on and where thou cannot deny but thou art in the steps of the PHARISEES yet sayes thou I do not love it they loved it to be called Master c. but I do not wel tho● sayes in words thou loves it not but come to thy practise and it wil appear thou who art but one hast made more ly●s and crooked wayes to uphold it in this thy book then all the generations of thy fathers the Pharis●es ●i● that ever was before thee and dost thou think to cover all this by saying thou loves it not but you have used so long to lead the bl●nd that you would put out the eys of them that see thou saies it was pharises pride that was condemned I say so it is your pride that is your condemantion nor can thou clear thy self of the very same things they was found in but least thou should lose all yet sayes thou Christ bids them hear the hypocriticall pharisees and observe to do as they bid you I confess to plead for hypocriticall teachers is the likest way to get in to have people commanded to hear you had not you run so gross til you have lost all also even the outward form of godliness which they had and upon that account he bad hear them because they sate in Moses seat and read the Letter truly without adding but you are neither set in Moses seat nor Christs but run in your own imaginations till neither Law nor Gospel-letter wil warrant any one thing of your worship matter nor manner means nor maintenance as I shall be ready to prove that not one particular of your worship you act in your Idolls Temples nor wages for so doing can you prove by plain Scripture to be so much as in the form commanded o● practised by Christ and his Saints and yet calls your selves upr●ght and faithful ministers for shame be silent as to boasting til you acquit your selves of this charge by plain Scriptures without wresting it and would you have us bound to hear such under pretence of hypocrites who have lost both power and shew of Godliness and sayes thou it is not being called master that Christ intended thou lying spirit would thou make him a lyar like thee did not he intend as he spoke or thou takes him to be an hypocrite like the Pharisees whom thou would thrust in amongst with thy consequence and thou sayes he forbids the name of fathers I say he forbids not children and fathers but such as you then thou goes on in thy old way lying say●ng we forbid the owning of any relations and all affections and respects to them I say thy father hath fitted thee with boldness to bring forth his work who dare declare thy own shame to all that know our practise what dis-affection canst thou charge uppon any of our relat●ons unless thou accuse us because we cannot affect the Devils pride and bow to it in such as thee And to plead for this mastership further thou sayes thou wil tel us something we know not and that is that the disciples of the sect-masters of the Pharisees so gloryed in their masters that they were ready to go by the ears and kil one another and this thou would send us to see amongst them as a strange business which we see daily amongst you and your disciples how many Sects and Sect-masters is amongst you Priests and your Disciples and have been all by the ears as thou calls it even unto blood til you have vented all your envie against the Lambs of Christ as they did then though thou would put it far off yet we see it here present and sayest thou these called they Rabbies as the Papists do the Pope but why wilt thou not read on one wo●d further as your hearers do you no doubt but this is as true though not so much for thy purpose who art hiding thy selfe by accusing others and so now that I have set thee in thou may read on all the rest of thy charge against the Pope and find thy selfe guilty and stop thy mouth and see the Pharisees the Pope and thee and thy brethren all on a Line
hirelings be not false Prophets yea or nay and are not such to be cryed out against now as they was then and this being thy own condition thou art so wise as to let it alone without an answer if thou had done so with all the rest thou had kep● thy self longer covered thou bids us read Malachi so we have and in the second Chapter first and last and the rest of the Chapter we find thy generation and thy practise and your end comming on apace 22. qu. Whether do you own trembling and quaking which the Scriptures witness and this thou looks upon to be a curse or a papist trick or mot●on of the deceiver c. showing thy selfe to be one of those spoken of Is● 66. 5. there thou may see thy work and ours thou Blasphemer dost thou call that a Papist trick and the power of the devil that all the Holie men of God that ever did declare the way how they came to see God came through as the Scriptures can witness in Moses David Daniel the Prophets and Apostles but sayes thou perfect love casts out fear what now art thou talking of perfection is it not blasphemy to name such a word art thou now come to perfection thou art wel grown since thou begun thy book wherein thou was pleading against any possibility of perfection but in heaven art thou got so high now take heed thou deny it no more least thou shame thy selfe but it s not a lye that wil make thee blush thou hast cast out that fear but its selfe love that hath cast it out for the love of God casts Psal 2. 11. not out the fear of God blessed he is that feareth alwaies but thou art Psal 72. 5. cursed who hast cast it out Last Quaery Whether do you say you shall be free from the body Pro. 28. 14 of sin while you are on the earth and whether shal any be perfect yea or nay and to this thou sayes thou believes that in the instant of death when you part with the flesh you part with all the remnants of sin I say thou hast made thy confession according to thy faith and covenant I told thee on before that is you must part with your sin when you are dead and can sin no more if you would and the devil too but that this Covenant of hel and death should be for any less than tearm of life that 's again●t your faith which you have preached and live in and against your Covenant too yet if we do but say that you are ministers of the devil and such as uphold his Kingdome of sin while people live and the world tands you cannot beare it though we do but declare thy own con●ession And ●or sinless perfection thou sayes thou believes the devil bred it and thou sayes Christ detests it and never man that had true grace bel●eved it I say or thy saith that believes the devil bred perfection I know thou art of that faith that ever called Christ Be●zebub and his works the Devil works so in that fa●th I do not expect any other confession but thy lye thou layes upon Christ and the Saints saying Christs detests it and the Saints believed it not I shall reprove and disprove by plain Scriptures Mat. 5. 48. be ye perfect even as your fath●r which is in Heaven is perfect Did he command here what he detested or was this a sinfull perfection he called for wouldst thou make him a lyar and a dissembler like thee and for the Saints owning perfection read Eqh. 4 12 13. Cal. 1. 28. Phil. 3. 15. 1 Thess 3. 10. 5. 2. Psal 18. 32. Psal 101. 2. H●b 10. 14. 1 Cor. 2. 6. Iam. 1. 4. 2 Cor. 7. 1. with many more places too many to set down here which all declare their beliefe in perfection and thee a false witness preaching such a faith as never any of Gods ministers ever did nay thou exceeds all the hirelings and false Prophets that ever was never any of them durst say it was of the Devill before thee and thou says its the Papists dongue we feed upon O thou blasphemer dare thou ●peak thus of the perfection of God which he gives to all that wait upon him and hunger after his righteousness thou makes it appear thou never knew the good and perfect gift that comes from Iude 11. above thou runs too greedily after gifts and rewards from below thou hast blinded that eye that should see perfection and sayes thou the fathers Kingdome before had perfect subjects and so shall it have again when Christ hath perfected us thou blinde guide had the first man Adam power to defile in this world and hath not the second Adam power to cleanse to the uttermost in this world what is defiled all that come to him thou showest thy selfe plainly whose power thou art under none under the power of the Devil could ever witness the power of Christ stop thy mouth thou false witness we know the power of Christ and the vertue of his resurrection and that he is greater in us than he that is in the world that he is more able to save than the other to destroy to cleanse than the other to defile but while we believed with thee we knew no more of it than thou dost but with that faith which overcomes the world and the devil and purifies the heart do we deny thee and thy faith which lyes under sin and the devill and in league with him for tearm of life and would have all so too and thou dost what thou can to withstand that ever the Father should have such subjects again as he had before the fall never while the world stands The last enemie sayes thou is death which shall then be overcome at the last resurrection a large time art thou taking for sin and death to reigne till all men be dead thou art faithfull for thy God and art making a league for him with all that believe thee even for them and their children after them til there be not a man left to sin any more yet must not we say thou art in the Devils work but we must call thee a Minister of righteousness though thou never read of such a faith and Ministry in all the Scripture but thou hast in this thing plainly declared thou knows not the resurrection nor fellowship of it art who yet in death and pleading for it to compleat thy covenant of sin least any should deny it or break it or sup●●t thee to be pleading for satan thou concludes thy work with that old refuge of the devill that is to take the Letter which was written to keep out of sin and to wrest it to encourage to sin and thou runs to that one place which all thy Fathers children u●e to plead 1 Iohn 1. If we say we have no sin we deceive our selves and the Truth is not in us there fore sayes thou the truth is not