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A51576 A letter sent to Thomas Taylor, Quaker, in the year 1664 in answer to many blasphemous sayings of his in several pieces of paper and in the margent of a book ... / by Lodowick Muggleton. Muggleton, Lodowick, 1609-1698. 1665 (1665) Wing M3044; ESTC R28839 13,397 17

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suffering Christ hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified when as yo own no body of Christ without you but it is because you read such words in the Scriptures which were other mens words and faith alas what benefit will that be to you to assume to your self that which did belong to others for what is that you what the Apostles said to those Believers at that time they understood what the Apostles meant by those sayings for the Scriptures were not spoken to Quakers nor given to them neither do you understand them the Scriptures were given to John Reeve and my self neither doth any man understand them or can truly interpret them but us two onely we being the chosen Witnesses of the Spirit for we onely can unfold what that Fountain is which is open for sin and for uncleanness for every Commissionated Prophet hath the Key of David given unto him to open the hidden mysteries even the fountain of living Water to wit the knowledge of the true God and the right devil with many other heavenly secrets hinted at in the Scriptures which to know is as a Fountain of Water of Life to those that understand them 7. We do confess that Adam and Eve were not capable of any kinde of death until they were both defiled with the sinful nature of the Angelical serpent To which this T. T. saith To the glory of truth that seeing Christ came to restore us that which Adam and Eve lost with advantage it must needs follow that the true Believers who are become even now whilest upon the earth freed from all kinde of death and so are not capable of any death in their souls no more than Adam and Eve was in their innocency because the Scripture saith that he that believes in Christ is passed from death unto life and such as abides in that faith shall never die but the Spirit of Life is in him Answ Here this man shews his gross darkness and ignorance of the spiritual meaning of the Scriptures for observe what is said before that Adam and Eve had no kinde of death in them before their fall yet this let the Reader minde that the death they did procure by their fall it was but a temporal death and that death God threatned them with it was but temporal though the fear of eternal death might be in them by reason of the fall but the death it self which God threatned upon them was but a natural death neither did God take off or free them from it for Adam and Eve did die yet they had the promise of Christ made sure to them more than any Quaker ever had And yet this promise of Christ to bruise the serpents head it did not free Adam and Eve from this first death but it freed them from the fear of the second death and from the second death it self even that eternal death But as for a natural death Adam and Eve Abraham Isaac and Jacob the Prophets Apostles and Christ himself tasted death for this first death enters upon all both man and beast but the second death which is eternal it enters upon none but upon the serpent and his seed and this eternal death is that which they Adam and Eve and their seed are delivered from by believing in Christ And thus we that are found in the fallen state of Adam are restored by Christ that is we are restored to a better and a more glorious state and condition than that of Adam in the state of innocency But you Quakers do expect no higher salvation than that of Adam but you will not pass thorow death to it but you will attain it a more easie way For you say it must needs follow that the true Believers who are become even now whilest upon the earth freed from all kinde of death and so are not capable of any death in their souls To this I say that Christ never said that he would free mankinde from a natural death nor restore man to the state that Adam was in but he came to save mankinde from eternal death therefore he saith He that believeth in me shall never die And of that saying he is passed from death to life that is he shall never die a spiritual and eternal death for he is passed from the fear of this first death to the assurance of eternal life for assurance in Scripture is many times taken for the thing it self but Christ never freed his Disciples from a temporal death notwithstanding they had eternal life abiding in them And that Apostle who said We are passed from death to life did die a natural death himself and so did the Prophets of old as in the Acts it is said by Peter to the Jews Which of the Prophets have not your fathers persecuted and have slain which shewed of the coming of the Just One And was not Steven stoned to death a man full of the holy Ghost yet his soul was put to death and Peter himself and the rest of the Apostles and those that believed their doctrine did not they die or else were put to death yet these were all passed from death to life yet they all died a natural death or was put to death for it cannot properly be said to die if the soul slips out of the body and leaves the body behinde as you Quakers and many others do vainly imagine so that your ignorance in the spiritual meaning of the Scriptures is bewrayed for you Quakers are the darkest pieces to interpret Scriptu●e of any other Opinions in the world for you will name places of Scriptures but never interpret any that makes all the Quakers so dark for ask them a question in Scripture they will give you no answer but perhaps bid them minde the light within them or else say it is the flesh that asks or such like sayings so they baffle and trouble ignorant people which knoweth not their Principles nor the meaning of the Scriptures I thought good to answer these few particulars they being of some concernment for those to know who are not well grounded in the Doctrine contained in those Books you so much villifie and speak evil of for I would have others to see this Writing as well as your self for you Speakers of the Quakers seldom let any of your believers see my Writings lest you should loose them by it or your Antichristian spirit be discovered by them for none can discover the Quakers cheat and deceit but us the chosen Witnesses of the Spirit for your Doctrine is altogether Antichristian which doth deny both the Father and the Son to be in the form or person of a man in heaven above the stars distinct of himself from Angels and man and any other creature And if you look but into The Quakers Neck broken you may see what you are for that is the fittest Book for Quakers to look into there I have had to do with such like spirits are you are who have gone in the same steps of despising and blaspheming against the Doctrine of the true God declared by us the Witnesses of the Spirit as you have for you have most wickedly spoken evil of as pure Truths as ever was spoken or revealed by Prophet or Apostle for God hath chosen us by voice of words as he did them and hath given us the Spirit of Revelation and Interpretation as he did them and who ever despiseth the Doctrine of us the Witnesses of the Spirit despiseth him that sent us even Jesus Christ the living God who hath chosen us to pull down and cut in sunder such Antichristian devil as you are who owneth no other God but what is within you which hath caused you to blaspheme against the person of God without you even the Man Christ Jesus in glory for those Books of John Reeve's writing do own no other God but the Man Christ Jesus in glory who spake to him three mornings together to the hearing of the ear First you have called that Voice A Dream you have called that God or Christ that could not make all things of nothing A false Christ a devil you have called the Doctrine of the true God A Lye a Deceit Error Darkness Blasphemy with many other wicked blasphemous speeches in the Margent of the Book too tedious to relate Therefore for these your wicked Blasphemies against the holy Spirit of Christ that sent and revealed those Doctrines unto us I do pronounce Thomas Taylor Quaker cursed and damned both in soul and body from the presence of God elect men and Angels to eternity neither shall the Light within you nor Infinite Spirit which you call God without you deliver you from that Curse I have pronounced upon you but you shall know that God the Man Christ Jesus hath given power unto his Messengers and Witnesses to curse you to eternity deliver your self from it if you can And if you do but read The Quakers Neck broken you may see others of your brethren who have walked in the same steps of blasphemy as you have and will have the same reward with you That Book would have been as a Looking-glass for you to see what your Principles are in the root and what will be the fruit of them Written by Lodowick Muggleton one of the two last Prophets and Witnesses unto the High and Mighty God the Man Christ Jesus in glory in Heaven above the Stars FINIS
A LETTER SENT TO THOMAS TAYLOR Quaker In the Year 1664. In Answer to many blasphemous Sayings of his in several pieces of Paper and in the Margent of a Book Amongst many of his wicked ignorant Sayings I have given an Answer to some of the chief and main things of Concernment for the Reader to know The particular Heads are seven I. That Christ could not make all things of nothing II. That earth and waters were eternal and out of that matter God created all living creatures III. That there was a place of residence for God to be in when he created this World IV. How all children are saved though the seed of the Serpent if they die in their childhood V. Of the difference between the fruit of the womb and the fruits of the flesh and how they are two several trees and two several fruits VI. How the Seed of Faith the Elect Seed did all fall in Adam and therefore made alive in Christ and how the reprobate seed did not fall in Adam so not made alive in Christ and what it is that purifies the Quakers hearts VII How Adam and Eve were not capable of any kinde of death before their fall and how their fall did procure but a temporal death to all the seed of Adam but the fall of the serpent did procure an eternal death to all his seed who live to men and womens estate and more especially to those that doth deny the person and body of Christ to be now living in heaven above the stars without a man as all the Speakers of the Quakers do By Lodowick Muggleton Printed in the Year of our Lord. 1665. Thomas Taylor I Understand that Thomas Barnet and others that are Well-wishers to this Commission of the Spirit have lent you a Book of our Writings who are the chosen Witnesses of the Spirit namely John Reeve and Lodowick Muggleton I suppose you have had it some time to peruse else you would not have scribled and defaced the Book so much as you have besides your Papers within the Book yet nevertheless I could have wished those Friends had lent you The Quakers Neck broken rather than that it being the most fittest Book for Quakers to look into the other being too heavenly and divine for Quakers to look into But in The Quakers Neck broken I have met with such Antichristian spirits as you are who have rayled and blasphemed against the Doctrine of the true God and the right devil and the Commission of the Spirit as you have done neither have I let them go unrewarded for their paines as you may see in that Book Neither shall you go unrewarded for your wicked and hard speeches raylings and blasphemies against the Doctrine contained in that Book for your wickedness is so much and your blasphemies and revilings so many that it would be too tedious to relate yet for the satisfaction of others that shall come to see this Writing I shall relate some of them and speak a little to a few of the main things of most concernment You say Thy Christ that could not make all things of nothing is a false Christ 1. Here you have blasphemed against the true Christ for John Reeve doth own no other God or Christ but that Christ that was put to death by the Jews and judged by Pilate to be crucified By him the Worlds were made but not of nothing for God never did say neither doth the Scriptures affirm any such thing that God made the earth and waters of nothing so that you shew your self a blaspheming devil 2. We do know and affirm that earth and waters were eternal and that darkness was over the face of the deep and in the Creation the Spirit of God moved upon the waters so that waters were before the Creation else how could Gods Spirit move upon the face of the deep had there been no deep waters before And so likewise if the earth were not eternal why is it said by Moses That the earth was without form and void and darkness was over the face of the deep The meaning is this that the earth was in being before God did create it and darkness was upon the face of the deep so that there was deep waters before Gods Spirit did move upon them And as for the earth being without form and void the meaning is this the substance being and matter of the earth it was eternally so but it was void of all form and beauty not fit for any of Gods creatures to live in it until God in the beginning created it For when Gods Spirit moved upon the waters the meaning is this he commanded the waters to be gathered into one place and the dry land did appear So likewise God made two great Lights the one to rule the day and the other to rule the night that is the Sun should rule and govern the earth and give life to the herbs and trees and fruits of the earth and the Moon should give life to the waters and rule them And in this manner God created the earth and the waters but all this while God had matter to make these things of for earth and waters were before 1. He did not make the Sun Moon and Stars and the host of heaven of nothing for of nothing comes nothing though you say it is an heathenish saying let it be the saying of a heathen man it is a true saying a saying that no Prophet nor Apostle doth deny none but such Antichristian devils as you Quakers are that will have God to make all things of nothing else you wil call him a devil as you have done in your Writings 2. Furthermore where do you blinde Quakers think this vaste earth and waters were before God created them which according to Moses relation is not six thousand years and we can know nothing of the Creation of the world but it must be grounded upon Moses his words I say where do you think these great substances of earth and waters were before Certainly you Quakers do believe that they came out of Gods belly for your God is so big a God that he can fill heaven and earth and all places and be in every Quakers body and make all things of nothing besides So that the Quakers God is so big that he cannot be comprehended yet they get him within them and when they die then he gets them into him again So the Quakers God and their Souls gets one into another so that no body else can tell where to finde either of them both But my God the Man Christ Jesus who is a distinct person in form of a man by whom the Worlds were framed he will finde you out when your souls are rotted in the dust of the earth think of your self what you will it will be as I have said Furthermore if earth and waters were made of nothing then I say they shall turn to nothing again and if your God did speak them out of