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A04528 The Catholique iudge: or A moderator of the Catholique moderator Where in forme or manner of a plea or suite at law, the differences betweene those of the Reformed Church, and them of the Romish Church are decided; and without partialitie is shewed which is the true religion and catholique Church, for the instruction of either partie. Together with eight strong arguments or reasons, why the Popes cannot be competent iudges in these controversies. Written in the Dutch and French tongue, by Iohn of the Crosse, a Catholique gentleman. Translated out of French into English, by the right worshipfull and learned Knight Sir A.A. John of the Crosse, a Catholique gentleman.; A. A., Sir. 1623 (1623) STC 14651; ESTC S107831 50,836 96

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and I will here mention nothing that may not be found in their owne bookes litterally in expresse tearmes Afterwards I will propound the arguments and reasons for which they of the reformed religion refuse to acknowledge and accept for their Iudges the Popes the Councels the Fathers Traditions Miracles or other such like witnesses but doe instantly require that all such differences of Religion may be decided and determined by the written Word of God And after you shall haue apprehended and considered all these things in the feare of God and without any preiudicate conceit or partiality then I will willingly permit you to chuse the better of those two parties pretending right or contending one against the other The differences of the reformed Christians and the Catholike Romanes touching the principall points of Religion Concerning the first point which wee haue at this present to entreate of Behold heare the principall and most important controversies in the doctrine of these two parties First the reformed Church beleeveth ● Of the holy Scripture Io. 5. Io. 10. 1 Tim. 3. that there is nothing necessary to salvation which is not fully comprised or contained in the holy Canonicall Scriptures of the old and new Testament But the Church of Rome saith Aug. 49. cap. 11. in Iohan. Petr. Sot in Schol. de Scrip. Pig de Ecles hierar lib. 1. cap. 14. Cens col pa. 19. that the holy Scripture is vnperfect and vncertaine or doubtfull compareth the same holy Scripture to a nose of wax to a leaden rule It affirmeth also that without the authority of the Church it is but as a fable of Esops that the Scriptures is the cause of al heresies that it is accommodated and applyed to the time and that therefore the reading thereof must bee forbidden to Lay-people that is to say to the simple and common sort The reformed Church beleeveth that credit must not be given neither to the Councels 2. Of Tradidions Gal. 1. Esay 8. nor to the Fathers no nor to an Angell descending from heauen if so be he should teach contrary to the written word and doctrine of Iesus Christ Chrysost 49. in Mat. Aug. lib. 3. de Trin. Trident Concil Sess 4. Linden lib. 1. cap. 4. Hosius de verbo in Sol. in Con. Late enlo pag. 133. 3. Of the Law of God Rom. 7. Mat. 5.1 Io. 1. The Church of Rome teacheth that vnwritten traditions must bee held in as great estimation and reverence as the holy Scripture as being the foundation of Faith without which foundation the authority and waight of the Scripture vanisheth away or loseth the reputation The Reformed Church beleeveth that the Law of God cannot perfectly bee fulfilled or performed by man and that whatsoever is committed against the same Law is sinne Aug. lib. 2. con Iuli. hom 48. in Ioan. Lindu lib. 3 cap. 19. Andrad lib. 5. Ruord Tap. The Church of Rome teacheth that the Law of God may be so perfectly kept and performed that one may doe workes of Supererrogation or surplussage also that all which is committed against the law of God is not sinne as amongst other things concupiscence 4. Of Sinne. 1 Io. 3. Rom. 5 Aug. lib. 2. con Iul. in hom 41. in Iron The Reformed Church beleeueth that the want of originall iustice or originall corruption concupiscence or coveting and whatsoever is repugnant to Gods law is sinne and maketh men culpable of the wrath of God Counl Col pag. 49. Ruor Tap. de per. orig Conc. Bes. Sess 36. The Church of Rome teacheth that concupiscence and originall sinne is not properly sinne neither is subiect to the wrath of God nor lyable to punishment 5. Of free-will 1 Cor. 2. Rom. 7. Ephes 2. Aug. de Sp. lit cap. 30. The Reformed Church beleeveth that since the fall no free-will is left in man touching things belonging to salvation vnlesse God change and moue the will of man by his holy Spirit The Church of Rome teacheth that man can loue God Ex puris naturalibus that is to say only by his owne power and naturall facultie Also that man euen being in mortall sinne de congruo that is to say according as is meete proper or agreeable may deserue the ordinance or disposition of grace The reformed Church beleeueth that the elect of God are Iustified only by faith in Iesus Christ 6 Of Iustification Rom. 3.4.5 Io. 3. Act 10. Aug. de Trin. Ser. 114. Barn sup cont Ser. 6. Con. Trid. Ses cap. 11. Audred lib. 6. pag. 447. Sot in Schol. de purga Concil Col. pag. 156. 7 Of the mediator Iesus Christ Io. 3. 1 Tim 1. 1 Iohn 2. Math. 20. Esa 53. Aug. lib. 1. c. 42 in Iran hom 85. Ambros de Isa without any good workes of the Law in such sort notwithstanding as the said faith must not be vnfruitfull or dead but a true and liuely faith working by good deedes of Charity The Romish Church teacheth that men are not Iustified by grace and by the imputation of Christs Iustice but by obedience of the law as our owne inherent righteousnesse The reformed Church beleeueth that there is but one onely mediator betweene God and man that is to say Iesus Christ very God and very man who by his death and passion hath canceled and done away the sinnes of the faithfull and by his resurrection hath for them purchased and merited life eternall The Church of Rome teacheth that Christ died for originall sinne onely And that Iesus Christ is not our only Mediatour but together with him all the he-Saints and shee-Saints of Paradice The Reformed Church beleeueth 8. Of the Sacrifice of Iesus Christ Heb. 10. 1 Ioh. 2. Heb. 9. 43. Esa 53. Act. 24. that the faithfull are reconciled to God the father by the onely sacrifice of Iesus Christ once offered and performed or finished on the Crosse The Church of Rome teacheth that the death of Iesus Christ Con Trid. Sess 6. con 2. Cat. Rom. pag. 11. Gab. Bel. 11.12 Linda lib. 4. pag. 375. not the onely expiatorie and purging sacrifice but that the Masse is also such an expiatorie or satisfying oblation as abolisheth the sinnes of the liuing and of the dead it is also availeable to obtaine all good things both spirituall and temporall 9 Of Repentance Eph 4. Rom. 3. Io. 1. c. 19. Esa 19. c. 5. The reformed Church beleeueth that such a repentance is acceptable and pleasing to God wherein appeareth a true mortification of the old Adam and a true viuification or quickning of the new man proceeding from a true faith Lom lib. 4. Dist 16. Cat Rom. pag. 421. Com. Tho. 6 cap. 241. Con. Trid. Ses 4. And. lib. 9. cap. 18. 10 Of the Church Io. 10. Eph. 2. 1. Cor. 3. Math. 18. The Church of Rome teacheth that such a repentance is requisite in which there is a perfect contrition of heart confession of mouth and satisfaction of workes by
man that hee may also dispose and dispence contrarie to the foure generall Councels and against the words of the Gospell 25. Of the certainty of faith Mar. 9. Rom. 8. Aug. pag. 4. tit 6. cap 2.7 The Reformed Church beleeveth that the faithfull should not doubt at all of their salvation The Romane Church teacheth that we must alwayes doubt thereof 26. Of Antichrist 1 Ioh. 2. Mat. 24. Dan. 12. Apoc. 17. 1 Thes 2. The Reformed Church beleeveth that Antichrist is already come and that hee is Antichrist that denyeth Christ Iesus to bee come in the flesh that is to say who maintaineth false doctrine touching the nature and office of Iesus Christ The throne or seat of which Antichrist is erected in the Citie standing vpon seaven hills The Church of Rome expects yet the Antichrist from Babylon of the Tribe of Dan Comp. Thes l. 7. cap. 8. 14. who shall beare rule three yeeres and at the last shall be slaine vpon the mount of Oliues The Reformed Christians beleeue 27. Of Purgatory Io. 5. Apoc. 19. Cat. Rom. pag. 127. Com. Theolo l. 7. cap. 3. Ingust propo that presently after the death of their bodies their soules shall be carried vp to heaven into life eternall They of the Romane Church say that there is a Purgatorie yea that there are fiue places for the soules of the deceased 1. The hell of the damned 2. The place of children which haue not beene baptized 3. Purgatory 4. Limbus or the suburbs of hell where the Patriarchs are 5. Heaven Eight reasons why the Popes cannot be competent Iudges of Religion BEhold in briefe the differing doctrine and controversie betweene these two parties The Church of Rome referreth it selfe to Popes to Councels to Fathers to their Church and to Traditions affirming that they ought to bee Iudges and pronounce sentence and definitiue resolution in all these controversies The Reformed refuse all these Iudges before-named adding there-withall their reasons wherefore they reiect them I earnestly then entreat thee friendly Reader as thou holdest deare and pretious thine owne salvation yea so farre forth as in this debate and variance of these contending inheritors thou desirest to ioyne with the better party that thou wilt indifferently and patiently hearken to them both Now then concerning the first Iudges pretended by them of the Romane Church that is to say the Popes of Rome The Reformed defendants or accused say that they cannot acknowledge nor admit them for competent Iudges in this cause for diuerse very pregnant reasons For first they shew that the Popes of Rome long time since haue not onely beene accused but also convinced of eight horrible crimes and impieties and that by the most part of Chistendome that is to say England Scotland France Hungarie the greater part of Germany Switzerland Denmarke and Sweden yea likewise of the Churches and Nations which haue made or now make profession of Christian religion in Africke in Egypt in Syria in Greece and in other quarters The crimes and impieties of the Popes are 1. Impiety or Atheisme 2. Tyranny 3. Corruption of religion 4. Sacriledge 5. Treason 6. Perfidiousnesse 7. Antichristianisme 8. Together with ten publike disgraces and infamies The Reformed Christians affirme that they can proue and shew the prophane impiety of the Popes by these three arguments and reasons Irreligion the first cause of refusall diuided into three reasons First in that they attribute vnto thēselues a Deitie The First reason Dist 96. cap. Satis c. quoniam deminb Dist 39. dist 40 cap. 5. papam plu de consell 37 no 3. vel 7. Iusen Conse 145 no 2. vel Bas l. vel Son fol. cap. Egono de Iure For there owne ptinted bookes maintaine that they are Gods that they are not subiect to any person in the world that they are the spouse of the Church that they may tolerate dispose and dispence directly against the Apostolicall Canons or rules beyond and aboue al lawes and priuiledges Briefly that they must not be questioned by any person whether they are this or that although they should dayly condemne an infinite number of soules into hell Secondly the Reformed shew the impietie or prophanes of the Popes The second reason because they themselues haue often scoffed at their owne religion and deuine seruice For Gregorie the seuenth induced or drew on a certaine man so farre by promise of a great somme of mony that hee vndertooke to kill the Emperour Henry the third with a beame which hee would cause to fall vpon his head Benon Cardin. when he should be in the Church offering vp his praiers withall deuotion but as the murtherer made hast to execute his murder the peece breaking which vpheld the sayd beame vpon which hee did sit the murderous fellow and the beame fell downe from on hie both together The same Pope Hildebrand consulting with diuels against the Emperour Stella Venitus lib. ad cardin 5. maro Raphael voluter made no difficultie to cast the body of the Sacrament of Christ into the fire euen against the will and liking of the Cardinalles which act the Bishop of Parma hath diuulged and discouered Siluester the second obtained that authoritie papall by diuelish practises vpon condition that after his death he should be abandoned and left to the Diuels Sixtus the fourth caused Bandin Iulian to bee murdered in the Church by certaine Ruffins hired for that purpose to whom he gaue the certaine signe and token by the host of the Masse For that the Popes esteeme not verie much their Eucharist or Host it appeareth euidently as the reformed say because that ordinarily they intrust or commit it to an horse-keeper which carries the same before on horse-backe among the Scullions of the kitchin as being the Auaunt and courier of the Popes comming The third reason Thirdly the Reformed maintaine that they can also prooue the prophanesse or impietie of the Popes because they haue instituted more then sixtie fiue Ecclesiasticall orders euerie of those orders hauing a diuers fashion of attiring and of ornaments and vesment according to the diuers and sundrie customes or fashions rules orders of their Couent And among all these orders the number of the Cordeliers or Friers minors Sabellicij Enuead 29. l. 6. of some is estimated in Europe only at more then fiue hundered thousand which may easily be gathered by that which the generall of the order of Saint Francis hath often promised and offered to the Pope that is to deliuer vnto him about the number of thirtie thousand Monkes which without any hinderance of diuine seruice might all be imployed in the warrs So it is that amongst all other orders the Cordeliers and Iacobines are held much to excell all the rest And the Cordeliers besides all other fables which one may reade in the booke of the Conformities of Saint Frances are not ashamed to call vpon their patron in these latine verses Francisse Iesu