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The Charge of a Tory plot maintain'd in a dialogue between the Observator, Heraclitus, and an inferior clergy-man at the Towzer-Tavern : wherein the first discourse publish'd under that title is vindicated from the trifling animadversions of the Observator, and the accusation justified / by the same author.
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Disloyalty Obs Well and are they not so Herac. Yes but truth must not be spoken at all times For can you think that such Accusations are a likely way to perswade the world that we have an esteem for Parliaments or rather do they not confirm any man in the belief of our desire to cast them quite off whiles we insinuate that both the Electors and Elected are so factious seditious and disloyal Then what need was there for you to go about to excuse all the Extravagancies of the Addressers as particularly that snivelling canting complement from Richmond who tell his Majesty that he dislolv'd the two last Parliaments by the inspiration of the special Spirit of God You may guess what Spirit they are inspir'd with by Thompson's Intelligence of May 13. where you see how they refuse to present any Abhorrence of the Association no damn 'em not they How bravely these Fellows deserve your Advocateship And to what purpose was it to touch upon that importune Eulogie of his Royal Highness from Northumberland who call him the Greatest Example of Duty and Obedience to His Majesty Do you think the King has not both entreated him and Commanded him to continue his presence at the Chapel if that would have done Obs Nay then if I must not keep up the Duke's reputation I had has good give over writing Herac. You do well to keep up the Dukes reputation but then it must be by such Instances as are capable of being improv'd to that end as by commending his constancy to his Friends his valour and the like but surely you cannot commend every man from every Topick In the last place you too manifestly grosly pervert the meaning and scope of the Pamphleteer in several places Obs Nay if Vice correct sin we shall have blessed doings Herac. 'T is true my talent lies pretty much that way but then it is when I have to do with a Brooks or the like that 's marcht off the stage and has no body to take up the cudgels for him in such a case indeed I commend it as the only way and that 's the reason your Dissenter's sayings have taken so well But now when you have to do with an Adversary that 's alive and looks out pretty sharp that way will never do Obs Well but where have I so grosly perverted his meaning Herac. I 'll give you an Instance or two When he had said that even Papists might join in a Protestation to defend the Religion establish'd by Law believing Magna Charta to be the firmest Law and Popery to be establish'd thereby what do you but insinuate presently that he calls the Protestant Religion profest at present in the Church of England flat Popery than which nothing is more contrary to the drift of his discourse Thus when he goes about to prove that Kings cannot claim their Crowns by right of Primogeniture from Adam from the frequent changes of Government in the same Nation whereby such lineal succession is every where interrupted and in order to prove this asks In how many Kingdoms has force and violence and the longest sword settled an absolute Monarchy how oft has that yoke been shak't off and the Government turn'd into a Free State How many different Models of both Monarchies and States Are there at This day in the world and yet sayes he none of them that I know of but are and ought to be own'd by the Subjects for Lawful Governments By this you say he justifies Fourty One c. and all Usurpations whatsoever Now who can with any colour draw such a consequence from such premisses He only shows that from the several revolutions of Government that have been in most Nations the claim by primogeniture lineally from Adam is so confounded that 't is impossible to make out any Right that way But does he therefore say that Charles the First had by force and violence and the longest sword settled an absolute Monarchy so that there should be any colour from thence taken to justifie the Usurpation of fourty one The truth is we that are for King's reigning altogether jure divino are forc't to fly to this right of Primogeniâ—ure seeing only paternal Government is Purely of divine original all other Governments having a Mixture of humane policy But seeing it is impossible to determine who is the eldest of the Family in a right line of succession from Adam if that notion should be relied on Princes Titles would be so much in the dark and admit of so much dispute that 't is safer nay necessary to rely on the establishment by humame Law and the sworn Allegeance of the Subjects though the general precepts of the Scripture of obedience to humane ordinances do confirm the duty and obedience of Subjects to their respective Rulers be they Emperours Kings States or of any inferiour kind or denomination But this only betwixt you and me But there is one thing I had like to have forgot the greatest subtilty in all your Observations and that is N. 132. Where by severing the Successor from the Papist you will have the Addresser transport of joy that the Bill of Exclusion did not pass to proceed only out of respect to the former Now Sir if you could distinguish the Popish Successor or Successor and Papist into two Persons as you have done into two notions you would do something but otherwise your Quatenus is somewhat like that of the Bishop's who being found fault with by a Countreyman for living too pompous and luxurious a life so unsuitable to his office answered That he lived not so AS he was a Bishop but AS he was a secular Prince to whom the Fellow repli'd But I doubt if the Prince go to the Devil the Bishop will not stay far behind And 't is believed the Papist will be assoon in the throne as the Successor And therefore that nicety had as good also been omitted Obs Well but there is one point I have handl'd to purpose both N. 132. and 135. that to imagin the death of the Presumptive heir is Treason Herac. Truly Sir you seem not over-confident of what you have done as to that for you say you will not deliever it for Law as a Lawyer but should be glad to be better informed ibid. Now Sir you have been told already that my Lord Cook delivers it for Law as a Lawyer though you will not the contrary that a Collateral Heir is not within the Stat of 25 E 3. that makes the imagining the death of the King 's eldest Son and Heir to be Treason But methinks you are like some Philosophers that undertake to solve Phaenomena that never were in Nature Before you had taken such pains to prove the presumptive Heir to stand upon equal ground with the King's Son and Heir so as to make that which is Treason to the one to be so to the other I say you would have done well to have first made it out that his death was imagin'd For I do not find by any Overt Act that your Adversary has imagin'd any such thing Obs Why has he not call'd him Traytor and protested He shall not Reign over him Herac. Not that I know not of He calls such an one indeed a Traytor as shall murder the King or force him to resign and I think he does not call him out of his name but 't is you that interpret this of the presumptive Heir which if one should suppose to be his true meaning yet would not his protestation that such an one shall not reign over Him be an imagining his death for 't were but for him and his thousands he talks of to slip over into Holland c. and the Protest were made good Obs Well I think I have not said one word but what you have found fault with what would you have me do write nothing and starve Herac. No but keep to your province of translating Erasmus's Colloquies Quevedo's Visions or French Romances these will hold you doing and keep life and soul together And then if you do us no good you 'l do us no harm And for my own part I 'm half in mind to give over also for Ben. Took's fifteen shillings a Week is but poor wages and the Rogue thinks he gives too much too Inf. Cl. Good Gentlemen be not discourag'd for I can assure you your Works are in great esteem amongst us We should not know what course to Steer if we were not guided by you But come 'pray let us adjourn to Sam 's I believe the House begins to fill by this time Obs Herac. I come let 's go FINIS