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thou_o shall_v sleep_v in_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o circumcise_a with_o those_o that_o be_v slay_v by_o the_o sword_n and_o ezech._n 31._o 27._o they_o be_v go_v down_o to_o the_o grave_n with_o their_o weapon_n of_o war_n now_o in_o hell_n man_n sleep_v not_o neither_o be_v that_o a_o place_n for_o the_o slay_v for_o the_o soul_n die_v not_o neither_o do_v man_n carry_v their_o weapon_n thither_o three_o junius_n in_o these_o place_n interprete_v sheol_n sepulchrum_fw-la the_o grave_n 2._o though_o we_o admit_v that_o in_o these_o place_n it_o may_v be_v take_v for_o hell_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o so_o always_o take_v as_o psal._n 63._o 9_o they_o that_o seek_v my_o soul_n to_o destroy_v it_o shall_v go_v down_o into_o the_o low_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n than_o it_o follow_v vers_fw-la 10._o they_o shall_v be_v a_o portion_n for_o fox_n but_o they_o that_o go_v down_o to_o hell_n be_v no_o prey_n for_o fox_n so_o likewise_o the_o prophet_n david_n say_v psal._n 139._o 15._o thou_o 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exclude_v it_o from_o be_v part_n of_o the_o earth_n 3._o your_o article_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d will_v not_o help_v you_o a_o rush_n for_o 〈◊〉_d both_o psal._n 63._o 9_o and_o psal._n 139._o 15_o the_o article_n be_v add_v and_o yet_o neither_o of_o these_o place_n be_v understand_v of_o hell_n as_o be_v show_v before_o ans._n to_o object_n 1._o the_o part_n then_o of_o the_o earth_n be_v not_o compare_v with_o itself_o but_o consider_v as_o part_n of_o the_o world_n in_o respect_n whereof_o they_o may_v be_v call_v low_a or_o low_a part_n object_n 6._o bellarmine_n to_o prove_v this_o place_n to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o descension_n of_o christ_n soul_n into_o hell_n urge_v these_o word_n that_o follow_v that_o he_o may_v fill_v all_o thing_n vers_fw-la 10._o and_o so_o visit_v all_o part_n of_o his_o kingdom_n 13._o in_o earth_n hell_n and_o heaven_n contra._n 1._o if_o you_o will_v have_v christ_n to_o fill_v all_o place_n with_o his_o local_a presence_n what_o 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in_o the_o low_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o septuagint_n read_v in_o the_o superlative_a but_o here_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o comparative_a if_o the_o low_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n do_v not_o signify_v hell_n the_o low_a shall_v much_o less_o object_n to_o use_v the_o comparative_a for_o the_o superlative_a be_v a_o phrase_n and_o form_n of_o speech_n very_o usual_a among_o the_o grecian_n so_o that_o here_o it_o may_v very_o well_o be_v take_v for_o the_o superlative_a to_o signify_v the_o low_a part_n ans._n p._n 51._o ans._n 1._o we_o do_v not_o much_o stand_n upon_o this_o point_n for_o the_o syrian_a and_o latin_a translator_n do_v read_v here_o ad_fw-la inferiora_fw-la to_o the_o low_a or_o inferior_a part_n beza_n ad_fw-la infimas_fw-la part_n to_o the_o low_a part_n for_o whether_o we_o read_v low_a or_o low_a the_o sense_n be_v the_o same_o for_o the_o earth_n compare_v with_o other_o part_n of_o the_o world_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o low_a or_o low_a part_n 2._o yet_o who_o can_v be_v ignorant_a but_o that_o where_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o sense_n urge_v not_o to_o expound_v the_o superlative_a by_o the_o comparative_a as_o it_o do_v in_o all_o these_o place_n by_o the_o answerer_n allege_v matth._n 11._o 11._o and_o 23._o 11._o mark_n 4._o 31._o 32._o and_o in_o the_o rest_n yet_o where_o the_o sense_n so_o urge_v not_o as_o in_o this_o place_n it_o do_v not_o and_o especial_o where_o the_o common_a dialect_n be_v use_v as_o in_o scripture_n most_o a_o end_n the_o comparative_a degree_n be_v to_o be_v translate_v proper_o by_o itself_o and_o whereas_o the_o answerer_n find_v not_o fault_n with_o the_o latin_a translator_n for_o expound_v the_o superlative_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o greek_a psal._n 139._o 13._o by_o the_o latin_a comparative_a inferiora_fw-la low_o how_o much_o fit_a be_v it_o to_o translate_v the_o comparative_a by_o the_o comparative_a as_o the_o latin_a text_n do_v here_o 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sed_fw-la &_o portare_fw-la quae_fw-la nostra_fw-la sunt_fw-la hom._n 4._o in_o genes_n god_n be_v say_v to_o descend_v when_o he_o vouchsase_v to_o take_v care_n of_o humane_a frailty_n which_o more_o special_o be_v to_o be_v think_v of_o our_o lord_n and_o saviour_n he_o descend_v therefore_o for_o none_o other_o ascend_v but_o he_o that_o descend_v the_o lord_n therefore_o descend_v not_o only_o to_o care_n for_o but_o to_o carry_v our_o nature_n augustine_n also_o thus_o witness_v est_fw-la quaedam_fw-la coelestibus_fw-la habitatio_fw-la angelorum_fw-la illae_fw-la pars_fw-la rerum_fw-la superna_fw-la est_fw-la haec_fw-la terrena_fw-la vita_fw-la ubi_fw-la caro_fw-la &_o sanguis_fw-la si_fw-la illi_fw-la comparatur_fw-la inferna_fw-la est_fw-la cum_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o his_fw-la sunt_fw-la mortui_fw-la ne_fw-la mireris_fw-la si_fw-la infernum_fw-la dicitur_fw-la in_o psalm_n 85._o there_o be_v a_o certain_a heavenly_a habitation_n of_o angel_n that_o be_v the_o high_a part_n of_o 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bernard_n opinion_n we_o have_v see_v before_o that_o he_o make_v three_o degree_n of_o christ_n descension_n ad_fw-la carnem_fw-la ad_fw-la crucem_fw-la ad_fw-la mortem_fw-la to_o the_o flesh_n to_o the_o cross_n to_o death_n 18._o and_o the_o graus_fw-la now_o whereas_o diverse_a father_n be_v produce_v as_o irenaeus_n athanasius_n ciprianus_fw-la epiphanius_n hierom_n augustine_n ambrose_n chrysostome_n with_o other_o as_o witness_n of_o christ_n descension_n in_o soul_n to_o hell_n p._n 56_o first_o all_o these_o be_v allege_v by_o bellarmine_n with_o twenty_o more_o to_o prove_v that_o christ_n descend_v into_o hell_n in_o soul_n to_o deliver_v the_o 4._o patriarch_n from_o thence_o wherefore_o unless_o he_o therein_o concur_v with_o they_o they_o be_v no_o fit_a witness_n to_o speak_v in_o his_o cause_n second_o neither_o do_v all_o the_o father_n agree_v in_o judgement_n that_o christ_n descend_v into_o hell_n to_o redeem_v the_o soul_n of_o the_o father_n origen_n