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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
death_n	divine_a	evil_n	great_a	125	3	2.1040	3	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A25208	A faithful rebuke to a false report lately dispersed in a letter to a friend in the country Concerning certain differences in doctrinals, between some dissenting ministers in London.	Alsop, Vincent, 1629 or 30-1703.	1697 (1697)	Wing A2910; ESTC R215794	39,818	63

in our place and stead do not with many now a days signify a Surrogation how can Mr. Williams help that If Surrogation signifies in our place and stead it s very fair for I would always have the more dark Term explained by the more clear and familiar and not that which is plain by the more dubious and dark I should think the Light should comment better upon Darkness than Darkness would inter●ret the Light Still he carries on the Charge These Words do not sig●ifie a proper Change of Persons in a legal sense I answer ●ho can tell that till they shall tell us what a proper ●hange of Persons in a legal sense does signify its own self ●t them agree if they can to fix what the meaning of proper Change of Persons in a legal sense does import and ●en it may be judged whether in our place and stead ●oes signify as much as that comes to But the Caviller proceeds in our place and stead with ●me signify no more than for our Good why 't is impos●ble they should That which Christ suffered in our ●ead was for our good to bear the Punishment of our ●ns to satisfy Divine Justice was certainly for our good ●hat by his Death and Sufferings he delivered us from ●e greatest Evils Hell and Wrath and that he pur●ased for us the greatest Blessings Heaven and Glory ●as most certainly for our good So that he argues ●us If for our good then not in our stead But I will inert the Argument If in our stead undoubtedly for our ●od and therefore for our good because in our stead 2. The Manuscript gives a Second Answer The ●nglish Socinians declare that the Hinge of the Controversy ●tween them and us turns not on the Words in our stead ●at the Men of the Racovian way consider our Saviour as ●ffering for us and in our stead Take this Reply § 1. 'T is all the better I had rather have them speak ●onestly though with a knavish meaning than speak ●d mean both like Knaves § 2. But pray Sir I direct my self to you Mr. Ma●script If the Socinians will put an unsound Sense up●n sound Words will you quit the sound Phrase because ●ey put a wretched Sense on 't What other Remedy ●ill you advise us to Why our wise Gentlemen have ●und out an Expedient that shall out-wit them for if ●ey think to evade in our place and stead they have another ready viz. That in the Sufferings and Death of Christ there was a Commutation of Persons But this wil● not do the Feat For Socinus and Crellius will grant there was such a Change of Persons and what will they do now Why here 's a new Phrase ready to put in it● place viz. That Christ died in the Person of Sinners or that he took on him the Person of Sinners Not too fast that would have served for next time But assure your self Sir though your Invention be never so fruitful i● new Phrases the Socinians are as pregnant in Equivocations and Interpretations to elude and evade the new Terms and you must be put to the needless trouble to make new Intrenchments as they distinguish you out o● the old and so on till you have not one Foot of Ground to 〈◊〉 See now to what a wretched pickle you have reduced your self and which is more the Cause and Truth of Christ. The Socinians have by a false Gloss driven you from that old excellent Phrase in our place and stead you retreat to a Change of Persons between Christ and us They put a false Gloss upon that and then you retire to Christ's dying in the Person of Sinners Do you think they cannot give a false Construction of that too and so you must make and coin new Terms and Phrases in infinitum § 3. I will therefore in Charity if you are pleased to ●ccept it recommend an easy Expedient to you I● you suspect that any under a sound Expression conceals an unsound Meaning ask him if he understands it properly in a legal Sense or no ask him if he means that Christ suffered in our stead as a Sacrifice to satisfy God's Iustice and there you have driven him to the end of his Equivocations for which Mr. Williams has given you the only proper Draught in the place I have already exemplified And beyond this you cannot go unless you will have recourse to the Rack or Spanish Inquisition which is a Remedy worse than the Disease § 4. I add one thing more If both these Phrases Christ's suffering and dying in our place and stead and that other A Change of Persons between Christ and us be liable to be thus practised upon by Men of great Wit and little Conscience and that no Terms can be found out so plain but crafty Heads will suborn them into an evil Meaning I would then a Thousand times sooner chuse to adhere to this Phrase Christ suffered and died in our stead and place loco nostro vice nostra than to that other In the Sufferings of Christ there was a Change of Persons between Christ and us For the former has had its Signification strongly fixed and setled by long usage and prescription whereas this latter is but of Yesterday and scarce Two Persons no not the Inventers are agreed amongst themselves what Sense to stamp upon it Again the plainest Christians have a tolerable Understanding of the former whereas the other does but amuse and confound them Nor is it so dangerous to the Main of the Cause to mistake in the one as in the other for he that by Christ's suffering in our stead intends he suffered for our good speaks the Truth but he that mistakes in the Sense of Commutation of Persons may err the whole Heavens and mis-lead himself and others into the Dreggs of Antinomianism In a Word therefore The Socinians are Subtle and have put a false Gloss upon Christ's dying in our stead shall we therefore discharge that Phrase so have they put a false one upon Commutation of Persons shall we therefore by the same Reason discharge that also Why they have put as absurd a Sense upon the Term Satisfaction which with them signifies no more than Satisfaction made to the Will or Wisdom of God must we therefore relinquish that too Then we give them up the whole Cause How much more advisable would it be to keep to the old Land Marks and adhere to what Mr. Williams with all that are sound in the Faith have asserted That Christ suffered and died in our place and stead as a Sacrifice to satisfy Divine Justice and then let the Socinians and whoever have a wicked Mind try their Skill in evading and eluding it 2. A Second heavy Charge against Mr. Williams is That he absolutely denies a Change of Persons between Christ and the Elect to which the united Brethren in their Third Paper as he calls it give a clear Answer That it could not be intended as a denial of a