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A30710 A narrative of the proceedings of the commissioners appointed by O. Cromwell, for ejecting scandalous and ignorant ministers, in the case of Walter Bushnell, clerk, Vicar of Box in the county of Wilts wherein is shewed that both commissioners, ministers, clerk, witnesses have acted as unjustly even as was possible for men to do by such a power, and all under the pretence of godliness and reformation. Bushnell, Walter, 1609-1667.; Chambers, Humphrey, 1598 or 9-1662. Answer of Humphrey Chambers ... to the charge of Walter Bushnell. 1660 (1660) Wing B6256; ESTC R6388 126,592 274

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others came from my house Here we have dead men and c. my companions again for although Mr. Hunt were then living yet he was not at the time of my appearing before the Commissioners in a capacity to vindicate either himself or me And whereas he sayes that they had there drank very hard it must be replyed that it was more then John Travers knew whether they drank so much as a drop there he saw it not for he was not in the house and therefore what he swears is either upon conjecture or hear-say This is the third time that they have received such Testimonies against me section 8 I shall give thee an account of the story as it was A party of Souldiers whereof John Travers was one having taken up Horses in the Parish amongst others light upon a Horse or two of one Mr. Colliers a Gentleman then living in Dorsetshire and a Brother to Mris. Hunt whom he then came to visit they being thus distressed repair to Colonel William Eyre for his assistance which he promises in order whereunto he repairs to Box wi●l her likewise repair Mr. Hunt Mr. Collier Mris. Hunt and two more of her Sisters who conceiving Colonel Fyre to be at my house come thither but not finding him there after a very short stay they make to another place where they understood he was and I along with them And I assure thee that their hast was such and their stay with me so short that I cannot say that they ever sate down or drank so much as a glass of Beer And thus much would two Souldiers at that time quartered with me in the house who were more likely to know and to speak the truth then John Travers have deposed if I could have had so much justice that they might be heard Indeed John Travers was so far in the right that one of the Gentlemen was very high which was this Mr. Collier but it was in anger and not in Beer and so I believe John Travers would have found him if Mr. Collier had had him in a convenient place I have told thee that we all came along together from my house to Colonel Eyre where John Travers likewise was and many more beside where we made some stay and had much discourse about those Horses and other matters And it is strange that none should observe this distemperature in all that time but only John Travers who never saw us drink But doubtless John Travers expected some monies for his pains and therefore right or wrong true or false he would swear somethinng to the purpose that he might seem to have deserved his wages I hear that afterward he wished that he had never medled in it so did Judas too for that he had thereby gained the disrespect of some Gentlemen nor can I wonder if that all men should abandon and abhor his society that sticks not at forgery and perjury But since he is dead I shall say no more of him but only this and this interrorem aliorum That notwithstanding he had been of a long time a Contribution gatherer a plunderer an informer a kind of Agent and Sequestrator yet it is said that he dyed very poor and notwithstanding he had been many times absent from Slaughtenford and for a long time together yet divine Providence so orders it that he should die a beggar in that place where his infamies were known and practised touching the manner of his death I say nothing section 9 Next comes Jone Pinchin widow and says that about two years and a half since Jane Hendy told her that Mr. Bushnel had attempted to lie with her and withall said that she did think that most of your Parsons were fl●shly given And saith That about two year since Mr. Bushnel baptized Mr. Spekes child by the Book of Common Prayer and signed it with the sign of the Cross section 10 You may remember that in the Transactions of the first day at Lavington I told you that Jane Hendie was summon'd in as a Witness for the Common-wealth but I made no mention of her information then conceiving that it might be better deferr'd till another time She was likewise at Marlburgh May 8. and was sworn there likewise her Deposition being taken in these words That she never heard of any lascivious talk from Mr. Bushnell nor did he ever attempt to lie with her nor doth she remember that she ever spake of any such thing to Jone Pinchin widow or to any other person This her Deposition together with her age and poor withered countenance had in all likelihood satisfied the Commissioners as to that particular but now William Pinchin at Lavington boldly interposes and tels the Commissioners that his mother this Jone Pinchin had told him that this Jane Hendy had said so much to her on which Master Chambers adds that if Goodwife Pinchin had said so he was bound to believe her And againe at Marlburgh May 8. when there were Papers delivered in by William Pinchin written by himself wherein it was affirmed under her mark that Jane Hendy should say so the Doctor adds again That If Goodwife Pinchin said so he was in conscience bound to believe her section 11 Now by the Doctors leave I conceive these words of his I am bound and I am bound in conscience to believe her were not spoken by him either with discretion or charity 1. Not with so much advisedness or discretion for it is well known that William Pinchin had that power over his Mother that she dared not but to say and to do as her Son woul● have her I believe so well known that the Doctor himself could not be altogether ignorant of it and what an incouragement 〈◊〉 these words of the Doctor give William Pinch●● to teach his Mother to say or to swear any thi●● having this assurance given her before-han● That what ever she said must be believed and 〈◊〉 for currant if she had not said so yet he having such a hint given him and such a powe● with his Mother might easily order it that against her appearing before them she should attest it with confidence When I consider the story of Herod and the Baptist I am fully perswaded that Herods unadvised promise gave occasion to his Wives and Brothers daughter to ask John Baptists head And that notwithstanding they hated him to death they would not have made such a request unless they had been imboldened thereunto by Herods promise But now when such words shall fall from his mouth Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me I will give and this promise confirmed with an Oath This is enough to make them fl●e high and to bethink themselves touching some great demand proportionable to his vast concession and their vaster malice One of the Evangelists reports it that having such a promise she consulted with her mother what she should ask and there is no doubt of it but that the consideration of such a
enough that she believes that her husband had sworn falsly and that he was thus taken off because he had sworn falsly and that he had sworn falsly upon their instigation section 6 Although they had no other witnesses against me but only Cottle and Brewer yet I must tell thee that at this time Mr. Long the intruder of Both by his Letter gave me an Alarum in the rer● To the best of my memory his Letter was to this purpose 1. That I had without his leave preacht at the funeral of Mris. Jane Rosewel at James his Church in Bath 2. That at her grave I used these words For as much as it hath pleased Almighty God of his great goodness c. 3. That I was not well reported of by the godly section 7 And here I shall offer to thy consideration 1. Something touching the contents of the Letter And 2. Something touching the conditions of the man which he hath exprest by his several Actings As to the first branch in his Letter That I had preached at James Church in Bath c. without his leave I answer That true it is that I then and there Preached and was thereunto invited by Mr. Richard Masters her son but I told him before I promised him to do that last office for his Mother that I would not undertake it unless he would first undertake that I might preach there without any obstruction or disturbance of which he assured me and told me he would make that his business Upon this promise I repaired to Bath for the former discourse was at my house at Box whither Mr. Masters came on Monday before the Funeral on the Friday next after her decease the day appointed for her interment and coming with the Corps to the forementioned Church I finde Mr. Long in the Ministers Pew who then entertained me with this complement saying I was welcome Yea and sometime after this Solemnity he comes to some of my friends and enquires of my welfare with thanks for my pains desiring to be recommended to me as also of my acquaintance Now how sutable this is to his Letter let the Reader judge nor heard I of one word of his distast untill the time that I was Articled against before these Commissioners which was about 18 months after Tell me you Commissioners how many times had the Sun gone down upon his wrath in the mean time and if they will needs have him godly for all this I shall tell them that they seem to deal with Mr. Long as the Poets have done by their Goddesse June whose deity they would assert and yet they would not deny but that she was of a most lasting malice and of a most revengeful disposition Distuleratque graves in idonea tempora poenas As touching the second branch of his Letter That I used at the Grave these words Forasmuch as it hath pleased Almighty God of his great goodness to take unto himself the soul of our Sister c. I answer That it is like enough that I might use these words or words equivalent I ever took her to be a woman who ever lived and dyed in the fear of God and therefore in Christian Charity was bound to believe that God whom in her life time she had served would at her death of his gracious mercy take her soul unto himself But now were I to speak at the Grave of Mr. Long he continuing to the last such as he hath been t is like enough I may say of him only this That God of his most wise and unsearchable providence had taken him out of the world And then as touching the third Branch That I was not well reported of by the Godly I would fain know who those godly men are which he means and where they live Doth he mean at Bath I hereby assure thee that be my conversation what it will yet any there deserving that denomination godly could hardly speak evill of me because I was then unknown to them or does he by godly mean William Pinchin O.C. W.C. J.T. W. S.N.S of their virtues and other godly qualifications you have heard somewhat already and more you shall hear anon or does he by godly mean himself This indeed is something like the rest for I assure thee that excepting that time wherein he together with one Bony a Barber his Brother in law then living in Bath came to my house at Box to search for the age of their wives in the Register there I remember not that I ever exchanged six words of discourse with him and therefore he if godly according to the true notion of the word could not speak evill of me because he had so small acquaintance with me It must not be forgotten that Mr. Byfield presents this Letter to them with this recommendation of Mr. Long That it was written and came from the Godly Minister of Bath Now to give thee my thoughts I have a conjecture that Mr. Byfield and he did act by confederacy Mulus mulum that they tossed good words to and fro betwixt them that they did mutually give and take and gratifie one another with specious compellations Godly me and I will Godly thee and that therefore they did give such words that they might receive the like And thus did the Scribes Pharisees and Lawyers heretofore they loved to act according to and follow the best examples who seemed to hold their reputation as it were in common and took a reproch done to one as a reproch done to all Master in thus saying thou reprochest us also but I doubt that as it was with those heretofore in point of holiness and righteousness so it was with these now in point of Godliness That they understand and practise it much alike section 8 But to return to Mr. Long I have told thee that we were to others meer strangers and although living near yet it was in several Counties I never troubled my self about him or his business and he now to appear against me in his Letters from whence proceeded this from piety or prudence or any principle that is rational or religious certainly from neither 1. Not from Prudence What a Minister if he be such against a Minister and at such a time as this when we had almost all beside against us fot we to be at it amongst our selves It may be rationally conjectured that in Noahs Ark the Sheep and the Wolf the Lion and the Goat the Hawke and the Dove had no hatred unto nor fear of each other the imminent and dreadful danger which they were all in made them for that time to lay aside their antipathy and then for Mr. Long at such a time as this and in such a manner as this and upon the sollicitation of such men as these who brought his Letter to appear against me and to ingage against me in the behalf of such who would crie Aha so would we have it at the ruin of us all and Mr. Long