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A64359 A friendly debate between a Roman Catholick and a Protestant concerning the doctrine of transubstantiation wherein the said doctrine is utterly confuted, and Antichrist is clearly and fully described, and his inevitable destruction predicted : with a challenge to all the Romish doctors that preach and teach the said doctrine, to answer it. Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715. 1688 (1688) Wing T698; ESTC R38802 90,615 48

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will give f●● the life of the world that is that all Believers shou●● live Spiritually by the blessed fruits and effects whi●● is produced by Christs taking flesh upon him T●● Jews they were offended at this Mystical Spiritual Doctrine of Christ because it was not given 〈◊〉 them to believe the Jews therefore strove amo● themselves saying How can this man give us his f●● to eat as indeed well they might if it had b● to be understood literally and properly as they ●●nally and vainly through unbelief did conceive 〈◊〉 imagin that the words was spoken Then Jesus 〈◊〉 unto them Verily verily I say unto you Except you the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood ye 〈◊〉 no life in you And in vers 60. there Christ's D●●ples were stumbled and offended at this Doctrine saying of his Many therefore of his Disciples where had heard this said This is an hard saying who can h●● But now I pray Sir mind strictly the wo●● our Saviour and you shall hear how plainly clearly he himself has expounded and unfolded his own meaning unto us of this eating his 〈◊〉 and drinking his blood in the 61 62 63. 〈◊〉 When Jesus knew in himself that his Disciples mur●● at it he said unto them Doth this offend you wh●● if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up where he 〈◊〉 fore it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh p●● nothing the words that I speak unto you they are and they are life As if our Blessed Lord and Saviour should said Do you think that I intend by 〈◊〉 ●hat I have spoken unto you to cut and carve out ●he flesh of my real substantial and finite body ●nd give it unto you to eat And likewise broach ●●y material blood and let that out of my ●eins and give it unto you to drink for if I should ●o so it would not quicken you unto spiritual life ●● must be my Spirit that must do that and not my ●esh for the flesh profiteth nothing But besides ●●l that with what body must I suffer in and die ●● redeem the World in And with what body ●●all I arise in from the dead And with what body ●●all I ascend up into glory in where I was before ●amely where I was before ever I assumed this marial finite body made of material flesh and blood ● Act. 1.9 there is his Ascention and in Heb. 10.5 there ●his Body which God the Father prepared for him And again if Christ's substantial body be eaten ●●d his real material blood be drunken literally in 〈◊〉 Sacrament of the Eucharist then consequential●● must Christ's sinless spotless holy body see corruption which is Diametrically contrary to the ●●ly Word of God both in the Old Testament and 〈◊〉 New Psal 16.10 11. For thou wilt not leave my 〈◊〉 in hell neither wilt thu suffer thine holy One to see corruption Acts 2.26 27 31. Therefore did my heart ●●●yce and my tongue was glad moreover also my flesh 〈◊〉 rest in hope Because thou wilt not leave my soul in 〈◊〉 neither wilt thou suffer thine holy One to see cor●●●ion He seeing this before spake of the resurrection Christ that his soul was not left in hell neither his 〈◊〉 did see corruption Now Sir if this Doctrine yours of Transubstantiation in your sense be 〈◊〉 why then Christ the Holy one of God whose ●●less nature was without the least Tincture of 〈◊〉 or any kind of inclination thereunto must see ●●●ption ay and must be turned into corruption 〈◊〉 yea and that into the very worst sort of ma●●l corruption namely into Man's Excrements ●nto Man's Dung and that as often as the 〈◊〉 saith the Mass For I pray you what does be●●●e of what we do eat and drink Is it not turned corruption Ay and the Body that eats it too 〈◊〉 be turned into Corruption Meat is for the 〈◊〉 and the Belly for Meat but both are for ●●●ption or Destruction And pray mind what ●aviour saith of what we do eat in Matt. 15.17 ●●t ye yet understand that whatsoever entereth in at ●outh goeth into the belly and is cast into the ●●●ht I could be larger here as well as in most ●●e rest of these points but I must consult bre●●or as I hope a publick good and leave the 〈◊〉 to expatiate upon it in his own mind thō resolved to write the most part of the Scrip●●●● that I have occasion to quote at length and ●●eatest reason for it is this because that it may ●●entially fall into the hands of some perhaps 〈…〉 keep one or look into it and for their sakes I do not repent my labour that this may put them upon getting the holy Bible and looking into it to see if these things be so or no Acts 17.11 These were more noble than those in Thessulonica in that they received the word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily whether those things were so The Holy Scriptures are able to make persons wise unto salvation 2 Tim. 3.15 which is the greatest wisdom of all John 5.39 Search the Scriptures for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testifie of me Christ expresly commands us to search the Scriptures But your Church expresly forbids it Who shall we obey Christ who is Infallible or your Church which pretends to be so Again Our Saviour Christ has but one humane body and that is a finite body Heb. 4.15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities but was in all points tempted like as we are yet without sin And therefore our Saviour's Body was not to see corruption because it never did see sin so as to be tainted in the least measure with it and therefore Christ could never have died had it not been for the sins of his people because the wages of sin is death And if Christ will take Believers sins upon him he must take the wages also that was due unto them And therefore it is said that he tasted death for every man that is for every man that ever did or that ever should believe in him But because his sin was by imputation and not inherent in his nature as ours is but only by imputation therefore tho he tasted death for every man and by that took the curse or sting that is in death away for all Believers yet his holy Body did not see corruption Death could not hold him because there was no sin in him but it was upon him by imputation as Sinners are made righteous even so Christ was made a sinner for as Sinners are made righteous by the Righteousness of Christ imputed unto them so Christ was made a Sinner by imputing our sins unto him but not by Contamination or Pollution but as a Surety for if Christ had had no more sin upon him than he had in him he could never have died it had been impossible for it would have been
as well as he is the Infallible Head of the Church for who can give a better interpretation or Exposition of the Law than the Law-maker can therefore no person can understand or give a right Interpretation of the Holy Scriptures but them to whom Christ gives this gift and that is to many thousands to some more and some less some have a higher measure than others it is given to every believer which is a spiritual man to know the mystery of Gods will in the Salvation of poor sinners for saith Christ It is given to you to know the mystery of the Kingdom but unto them it is not God hides these things from the wise and prudent and revealeth them unto babes saith Christ 1 Cor. 2.14 15. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned But he that is spiritual judgeth all things Here you see who is the chief Judg of the Scriptures and who are Missionaries or whom he has Commissionated so ●o do not any one single person above the rest But ●o return to what we are upon Joh. 3.3 4. Jesus ●nswered and said unto him Verily verily I say unto ●●ee Except a man be born again he cannot see the ●●ingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him How can 〈◊〉 man be born again when he is old can he enter the second time into his mothers womb and be born This is ●●st as the unbelieving Jews that said How can this ●●an give us his flesh to eat And old Nicodemus notwithstanding he was a great Rabbi and Ruler in Israel yet he had like to have gone away under as ●●eat a mistake about the Doctrine of Regeneration 〈◊〉 you Romanist have done of this mystical saying of ●●r Saviour Christ's in that he hath said Take Eat ●●is is my Body and of giving his flesh to eat and ●●s blood to drink Now pray observe how nearly alike our Saviour Christ interprets and expounds this Doctrine of Re●●neration unto Nicodemus in the 5th and 6th verses ●●sus answered Verily verily I say unto thee Except man be born of water and of the spirit he cannot en●● into the Kingdom of God that which is born of the 〈◊〉 is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit ●●w see the 6. Joh. 63. and compare them toge●●r It is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth ●●hing the words that I speak unto you they are spirit 〈◊〉 they are life Here you see all the carnal fleshly ●●●eption or Transubstantiated fancy utterly over●●wn and knockt in the head in these words of ●●aviour Christ as well as that also of Nicodemus's ●●al conception of the Doctrine of Regeneration 〈…〉 understood mystically and Spiri●●● 〈…〉 eaten by faith in every Ordinance of God in Religious worship and especially in the Ordinance of the Lords-Supper for faith is the mouth of the new creature the great grace of faith is the souls Nurse but it feeds upon Christ and lives upon Christ which is this spiritual Bread which came down from Heaven that a man may eat thereof and not die And so likewise our Saviour gives the like interpretation of the graces of the Spirit in the Believer much after the same manner which are compared to rivers of living water in Joh. 7.37 38 39. In the last day that great day of the Feast Jesus stood and cried saying if any man thirst let him come unto me and drink And pray mind what the drink is that Christ giveth him He that believeth on me as the Scripture hath said out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water But pray mind what Exposition our Blessed Redeemer gives in the following verses But this spake he of the Spirit which they that believe on him should receive You see this drinking here is by faith in Christ and the liquor which they drink is spiritual liquor it is the water of life Now if these Scriptures are to be understood literally and properly then you must understand the Contexts and the Coherence of them literally and properly also for Christ does not as I remember speak a whole sentence wherein one part wholly contains spiritual matter and the other part wholly contains a literal and proper meaning in it tho one whole sentence may have both a mystical and literal meaning in it Now pray mind in Joh. 6.35 50. And Jesus said unto them I am the bread of life he that cometh to me shall never hunger and he that believeth in me shall never thirst Now is not here the very same reason to believe that we shall never be corporally a hungry nor a thirst again as there is for us to believe that that is material bread or flesh that Christ spake of in the same verse Again this is the bread which cometh down from Heaven that a man may eat thereof and not die Now is not here as much reason to believe and understand this literally and properly as there is for any of the other to be understood so and if the rest be to be understood so then they that eat Christ's flesh and drink his blood shall never die a natural death Again if this Doctrine in Joh. 6. be to be understood literally and properly then must the Doctrine of Regeneration be understood so in Joh. 3. And if so then none should ever see the Kingdom of God nor enter into the Kingdom of Heaven and be saved but them and them only that crept into their mothers womb and were born again literally and properly as old Nicodemus ignorantly imagined There is every whit as much reason to believe this as there is to believe your Doctrine of Transubstantiation Pray mind the Interrogation of Nicodemus and that of the Jews how like they are the one to the other 〈…〉 is old c. Secondly the Jews they said How can this man give us his flesh to eat Now if these Scriptures in Joh. 3. and in Joh. 6. are to be taken and the sense of them expounded literally in the plain letter of the word then must this of Joh. 7.38 be understood so in like manner where it is said that rivers of living water shall flow out of the Believers belly and we might as rationally expect that Scullers should ply the Ferry at every believers belly in these rivers of living water and also that every believer has crept into his mothers womb and been born again as to believe that the Bread and Wine in the Sacrament of the Lords-Supper after Consecration is Transubstantiated into the Body Soul and Divinity of our Saviour Christ which is into his very person But what will become of all those poor souls whose mothers are dead before they are or were converted that have never a mothers womb to creep into for I will assure you that the one is as true as the other let who will deny or contradict it And thus you do
are all partakers of that one bread Believers have Communion with a Crucified Saviour in this Ordinance by Faith in him and Love to him And our Saviour Christ and the Apostles gave both the Bread and the Wine unto all the Members that did partake as well to the Lay-People as to the Ecclesiasticks without any the least Exception in them words of our Saviour's command Drink ye all of it and you will hear that it is called Bread and breaking of Bread in several places of the Sacred Scripture Acts 2.42 And they continued stedfast in the Apostles doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers 1 Cor. 10.16 17. The cup of blessing which we bless is it not the communion of the blood of Christ The bread which we break is it not the communion of the body of Christ For we being many are one bread and one body for we are all partakers of that one bread that is Christ the Bread of Life Here it is said Communion with the Blood and with the Bread that is thus Believers have Communion with a crucified Redeemer and Communion and Fellowship one with another in that Holy Ordinance of the Lords Supper As you may see in the same Chapter 20 21. verses all those that make a Sacrifice of the Ordinance of the Lords Supper have fellowship with Devils But in the 17 verse there the true Gospel-Church is called Bread and so is Christ her Head also both the Head and the Body which is the Church are called Bread. And in Acts 20.7 And upon the first day of the week when the Disciples came together to break bread Paul preached unto them ready to depart on the morrow Thus you see it was called Bread and not Flesh both in the first Institution of the Ordinance by our Saviour Christ himself and likewise by the Apostles at the Celebration of this Holy Ordinance among the Disciples Therefore this eating of Christ's Body and drinking his Blood is to be understood no otherwise than our Saviour Christ intended and appointed it which was Spiritual and Sacramental for to commemorate his death and sufferings and all the blessed fruits and effects that do flow therefrom into the souls of Believers There is a feeding upon Christ in every Spiritual Gospel-Ordinance of God in Religious Worship and Discipline by Faith the Gospel-Ordinances are a feast of fat things full of marrow of wine from the lees well refined as the Prophet Isaiah calls it and on them the souls of Believers do feed and feast with and upon the Lord Jesus Christ And this feeding upon Christ's Body and drinking his Blood in the Sacrament of the Lords-Supper as well as in all other Ordinances of the Gospel aforesaid is to be done by faith as I have already proved for every believing soul doth live upon Christ by faith who is 〈…〉 of Scriptures to prove the veracity or truth of th● same and here following I shall lay down some fe●● Scriptures instead of many which do import an●● clearly manifest the same and I will begin wit●● Joh. 8.24 I said therefore unto you that ye shall die 〈◊〉 your sins for if ye believe not that I am he ye shall d●●● in your sins 1 Joh. 3.23 And this is his Comman●ment that we should believe on the name of his Son Jes●● Christ Here is God the Father's command for i●● Christ doth not say If you do not eat me Body Soul and Divinity ye shall die but if you do n●● believe that I am he ye shall die in your sins because ye believed not that I am he because ye d●● not obey me nor my Father's command as if ou●● Saviour should have said Rom. 10.9 10. That 〈◊〉 thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and sha●● believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved for with the heart ma●● believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation Act. 16.30 31. Whe● the sturdy Jaylor was convinced he said Sirs Wha● must I do to be saved The Apostles did not tell him that he must go and eat Christ's substantial Body No but they told him that he must believe on th● Lord Jesus Christ and he should be saved and his house Joh. 12.46 I am come a light into the world tha● whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness Joh. 17.3 And this is Life Eternal that they might know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou has● sent How must they know God and Christ so a● they might have Eternal Life why only by believing in him Joh. 20.21 But these are written that ye might believe that Jesus ss the Christ the Son of God and believing ye might have life through his name Joh. 3.16 17 36. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life For God se●● not his Son into the world to condemn the world but tha● the world through him might be saved He that believet● on the Son hath eternal life and he that believeth n●● the Son shall not see life but the wrath of God abide● on him Joh. 5.24 Verily verily I say unto you 〈◊〉 that believeth on him that sent me hath everlasting lif● and shall not come into condemnation but is passed from death unto life Joh. 6.29 Jesus answered and fa●● unto them This is the work of God that ye believe 〈◊〉 him whom he hath sent Thus you see dear Sir that I have answered yo● fully and clearly and I have faithfully prove from the Holy Bible which is my only Library and also I have proved from Reason for God dea●eth with us as Rational Creatures that our Saviour Christ is to be eaten and drunken by faith and i● love Spiritually and Sacramentally in that Ho●● Ordinance of the Lords-Supper for it is a Lov● feast in remembrance of the greatest love that 〈…〉 gave his only begotten Son to die for it and this ●ove of Christ that was stronger than death we are ●o commemorate in that Ordinance by feeding by ●aith upon a Crucified Saviour and not to eat him Corporeally and Substantially in his Person as you of the Roman Catholick Perswasion do vainly pretend to believe and imagine the Lord inlighten your minds in the true Knowledg of Christ and sanctifie your understandings and change your wills and make you willing in the day of his power for this is a very dangerous gross Error and such a one as cannot be parallell'd but in the case of the poor blind Jews for by this Doctrine of Personal Priests and Material Altars and Sacrifices you do put your selves back from under the Gospel dispensation and lay your selves under the Mosaical Law and the consequence of it is this it is inevitably and clearly a down-right denying Jesus Christ being come in the Flesh Pray Sir Consider what I have said and so