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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90976	The sun out-shining the moon, or, Righteousness excelling rottennness in answer to a lying scandalous paper, published by John Moone, entituled, The true light hath made manifest darknesse, &c. : but it is darkness put forth for light, as it will appear by that which followeth / and is published by John Price.	Price, John, Welsh clergyman.; Bownd, William. Brief discovery of the the erroneous tenets of those who are distinguished from other men by the name of Quakers.	1658 (1658)	Wing P3353; ESTC R43721	30,935	58

this effect Iohn Moone said that whosoever is not Eternal is external and that God onely is Eternal I said that the Devil is not external and therefore Eternal as it did follow from thy own words And I did then explain my meaning thus I do not say he is a Devil from Eternity but through or by his forsaking his first estate and habitation he became a Devil and I asked thee whether thou wouldest deny that the Devil is Eternal without end for it did follow from thy words before that he hath an end in saying that whatsoever is not Eternal is external and that God onely is Eternal for that which is external will have an end so that one of those two things will unavoidably follow that either the Devil is mortal and will have an end as all external things will have an end or else he is one with God which I deny that the Devil is one with God See now the snare which thou hast laid for me thy self art fallen therein and whereas thou sayest that I would neither prove by Scripture the Devil to be Eternal nor acknowledge that I had told a lie I refused to prove him to be a Devil from Eternity as thou wouldest have me the which I neither did speak nor mean but I offered to prove him to be endlesse I mean by the word Eternal a thing which endureth for ever as Angels and souls of men and not alwayes that Eternal invisible unchangeable the onely wise God who comprehendeth all things and nothing can comprehend him and to say that any thing else is so is blasphemy nothing is unchangeable but God nothing onely wise but the Eternal God but Angels and the souls of men do change their estates and conditions yet that doth not dissolve them Angels became Devils and men became sinners The soul that sinneth shall die and he hath made his soul a Sacrifice for sin there is a natural death and there is a Spiritual death a dying life and a living death and as thou sayest that the Devil shall be cast into the wrath of God that is true but that doth not prove him to be external or to have an end that doth prove a change of condition and not a dissolution or to have an end Dost thou know from whence or what is the root from whence the Angels and souls of men came Thou sayest that thou art come to the beginning if it had been true thou should dest have seen the end also and that between And concerning that which thou callest a reply unto an answer of Hugh Evans and my self in which thou sayest that the first principle of pure Religion was before transgression Was not this thy query What is the first principle of pure Religion And I say that before transgression there was no need of Faith nor Religion but if it had been propounded What is the first pure principle we should have returned you another answer but as the case stands now with man being a sinner we say with the Apostle Heb. 6.1 that it is Repentance And whereas you say that we deny the Testimony of Iohn you do say amisse but we say with the Prophet Isai 8.20 That if men speak not according to the word it is because there is no light in them JOHN PRICE Now I am come briefly to answer to that which Iohn Moone chargeth Hugh Evans and I with in his Book entituled The true light hath made manifest darknesse Iohn Moone begins his Book with a glorious Title The true light hath made manifest darknesse But before he went any further his Pen went righter then his confused mind for said he or Sion builded up before he said that Babylon was thrown down And true it is that such a Sion may be is builded up amongst them wherein a Babylon is yet in them to be thrown down for if ever there hath been confusion amongst any people it is amongst them but know this that as Babylon is thrown down so is Sion builded up and not Sion first builded up and then Babylon thrown down He goeth on and saith With a true answer to what the Baptists Teachers objected against him as he calls them but it is no answer to any one particular that they objected against that I know of but to his own forged or conceited lies so goeth on and towards the latter end of Page the first he falls to Prayer and well he may record it for I think it is a work he doth but seldome In his 2d Page he begins to charge Hugh Evans with saying that the true light shineth but in some not in all backs it with a lie in saying that he could not prove it but he omitted to speak the whole for when Hugh Evans and I did reason with him about the true light we did not use to answer hastily nor unadvisedly but did enquire to this effect There is the light of the Sun which is a true light in its Element also the Law of nature is a true light Rom. 2.14 For whatsoever maketh manifest is light and that Law or light which is in mans nature doth make manifest sin therefore a true light but it is not that light which was spoken of in Iohn 1. which is Christ that he denieth to be in every man He and I often denied somewhat to this effect that that true light shineth or liveth not in every man as it doth appear by our answer to their queries For further proof of this that this was our negative or denial I direct you to their second query and our answer to it which was propounded and answered about thirteen moneths before the appearance of Iohn Moones printed Paper entituled The true light hath made manifest darknesse He further saith that Hugh Evans was demanded to prove that this true light did not shine in every man but could not whereas Hugh Evans produced this Scripture to make good his denial Isai 8.20 To the Law and to the Testimony And if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them from this Scripture Hugh Evans and others reasoned to this effect if all men do speak according to the word and Testimony of God then the true light shineth or liveth in all men but all men speaketh not according to the word and Testimony of God therefore some men have not the true light shining or living in them He saith further in his second Page Now see said he how contrary to the Scripture he speaketh that would deny the Testimony of Iohn but I say that that man that would make Iohn a false witnesse may well be ranked with Iohn Moone but Hugh Evans did own it and dayly did bear witnesse with Iohn of the same truth and because that there is something spoken of this in the answer to his queries I shall not speak any more of it here neither do I intend to answer to all his confused Paper no that

meeting in the Parish of Llauvr in Raduorshire where Hugh Evans was exercising his Gifts to the edifying and building up of his Brethren in the Faith and fear of the Lord and in his exercise he said to this effect That there is a threefold nature in the people of God The Divine Nature The Humane Nature And the Serpentine Nature The seed of the Serpent under the feet of the seed of the Woman the seed of the Serpent bruising the heele but the seed of the Woman bruising the head then one John David a Quaker so distinguished from other men spake to this effect or these very words I deny thy third there is but two stop thy mouth the Plagues and Judgements of God is thy portion and with many presumptuous words in the name of the Lord he railed much against us and so began to teach the people and held forth that there is but two things light and darknesse God and the Devil the seed of the Woman and the seed of the Serpent and many things to that purpose After him John Moone began his Lesson but Hugh Evans made some reply to this effect That if it was so as they said that there is but two things light and darknesse God and the Devil the seed of the Woman and the seed of the Serpent then what is that which is to be saved or to be damned for it is impossible for the seed of the Serpent to be saved nor for the seed of the Woman to be Eternally damned But John David did give no sound answer and I believe that all rational men will say that he could not Then this question was by us propounded to John Moone but his answer was no better then the other Whereupon the said John Moone stared in Hugh Evans his eyes and asked him many questions though they themselves cry out against others for asking of questions some of them I can yet remember The first question he asked him was this Art thou come to the beginning He answered I am come to the beginning and the end Christ Jesus Again he asked him Hast thou eaten of the Tree of Life He said He had Then John Moone said How comest thou there Thou knowest what the sword of the Cherubin is Hugh Evans said It is the anger of God Then he asked What the Soul was Upon that I desired Hugh Evans not to answer him knowing them to be but the Cavillers questions Then John Moon said to the people This man who is your Teacher knoweth not what the soul is Then Hugh Evans said Answer not a Fool according to his folly lest thou be like him yet answer a Fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit And so Hugh Evans stood up and read this Scripture And God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul and so gave the people a Description of the soul of man And after he had done some that were there desired John Moone to gainsay if he could what Hugh Evans had said concerning the soul but he did not much confused discourse hath been that day which cannot be repeated neither is it worth the repeating At another time there was a meeting of theirs at a place called Yscwriw to which meeting Hugh Evans and others went and he accused them of denying the Resurrection and desired time and silence to prove it but could not have it but much bruitish and unreasonable Behaviour shortly after I sent these ensuing queries to John Moone First Whether God and man was not two distinct things after he had created him Secondly Whether man onely did not sall from that peaceable estate which God had created and stared him in and no part of God fell with him or in him Thirdly Whether that formed creature man or that body which God created in the beginning did not become mertal and must die the natural death Fourthly Whether that body or the bodies of all men shall not at the last day or at the dissolution of this world and all Creatures be raised up out of the Earth and receive a just Sentence These queries he did take upon him to answer But I will leave it to the Reader to judge what manner of answer it is Their answer with their queries are as followeth John Price I having received thy Paper wherein thou seekest to put a Cloak on thy errors which Paper I am made free to answer for the innocent sake and not to satisfie thy busy mind First Whereas thou broughtest the Scripture in Nehene 7.5 64. to be a Cloak for thy error and covetousnesse but the Scripture doth declare against all errors and covetousnesse wherein thou art shut out of the Scriptures and art a stranger to the life of God which gave forth the Scriptures living in thy Ignorance and covetousnesse wresting the Scriptures to thy own destruction Answer It is not for that word Register that I charged thee withall for the word in its place I own But for that thou dost follow the way of Balaam who loved the wages of unrighteousnesse but was rebuked for his Iniquity and so I rebuke thee and whereas thou hast confusedly written in thy Paper concerning Justice of the Peace and naming no man yet for truth sake I answer All that are true Ministers of God and Magistrates I own and all that are just and do justice is more acceptable to the Lord then sacrifice and all that acts for the punishment of the Evil-doers and the praise of them that do well For so is the will of God that with well-doing we may put to silence the Ignorant and the Foolish men And herein is our Father glorified and the Enemies of God discovered and all them that acts not according to that which is just I deny An Answer to thy queries First Query Whether God and man was two distinct things after he had created him Answer The Lord God is Eternal and endures for ever and he formed man of the dust of the Earth which is Carnal The second Query Whether man onely did not fall from that peaceable estate which God had created and stated him in and no part of God fell with him or in him Answer It was man onely that brake the Command of God as by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned herein I deny that that which is of God should fall into sin or Iniquity The third Query Whether that formed Creature man or that body which God Created in the beginning did not become mortal and must die the natural death Answer All flesh shall perish and man shall return to the dust from whence he was taken The fourth Query Whether that body or the bodies of all men shall not at the last day or at the dissolution of this world and all Creatures be raised up out of the Earth and receive a just Sentence Answer All