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A51572 The Messias of the Christians and the Jewes held forth in a discourse between a Christian, and a Iew obstinately adhering to his strange opinions, & the forced interpretations of scripture, wherein Christ the true savior of the whole world is described from the prophets and likewise that false and counterfeited Messias of the Jewes, who in vaine is expected by that nation to this very day, is discovered / written first in Hebrew, but now rendered into English by Paul Isaiah, a Jew born, but now a converted and baptized Christian. Münster, Sebastian, 1489-1552.; Eliazar Bar-Isajah. 1655 (1655) Wing M3039A; ESTC R42183 58,523 257

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virtue as it is said Behold I create new heavens and a new earth and the former shall not be remembred Christian Shall men dye in that Land or shall they live for ever Iew They shall not die by the sword because war shall not be there neither shall there be a naturall death exept after many yeares when a man shall be full of daies but when he shall dye they shall not weep over him as it is written the voice of weeping and mourning shall no more bee heard in Ierusalem Also in that time they shall not say of an old man that hee hath accomplisht his daies untill hee come to the three hundreth or five hundreth yeare and above such as were in the first ages in the beginning of the world But these daies which now in the world are counted for old age shall then bee the daies of youth and men shall bee accounted then as growing children as it is written they shall be fruitfull in old age they shall be fat and flourishing in the contrary manner of old men wherefore it is written elsewhere a child of a hundred years old shall die that is if any man dy in the hundreth year which shall be because of his sin they shall say of him that a child is dead and he expounds it after this manner A child of an hundred yeares who shall sin shall be accused as if he should say the curse of God shall bee upon him Then they shal not build and another inhabit as now it is neither shall they plant and another eat but according to the daies of trees shall the daies of my people be that is in the elect because they onely shall have the longest lives and that not without a miracle but not other people whereupon Ionathan hath interpreted that place thus They shall live as the dayes of trees But our Rabbies say that a living tree doth endure five hundred years Some also say there shall be some change in the nature of corne in the time of the Redeemer that it shall as vines bee preserved in strength and there shal not be need every yeare to sow new corn but it shall be sown onely once as the vine is once planted and after the corne shall bee gathered in the stalks shall remaine flourishing to the next yeare Christian In what place of Scripture did your Rabbies find that Iew In Hosea they shall preserve their corne and it shall flourish as a vine Also in that time if they aske of the blessed God raine he shall give it them and hee will give every man herbes in his field according to his desire Moreover our Masters say that at that time when the Israelites shall do the will of God he wil also do their will so that if any one alone shall have need of raine he will give raine to him alone or if any one shall want raine for one herbe in his field or garden he will give raine to that herbe alone And this is that which is said aske raine of the Lord and hee will give thee plentifull raine for every herb in the field Christian Because you have fallen upon Zachary tell me how you understand those words which are written in it shall the whole earth be turned as into a plaine Iew I will tell you behold all the land about Ierusalem which now is mountainous as it is in the Psalmes shall then be plain like the plainnesse of a champion field and it shall be exalted and be higher than all the land although now it be higher than all the land of Israel by reason of the mountaines which are about it because of which its height cannot be seene But at that time when all the land round about it shall bee made plaine its height shall be seen more than all the Land Wherefore it is said in the prophecy of Isaiah the mountain of the Lord shall be established upon the top of the mountaines and shall be lifted above the hils and many fields which now are nigh Ierusalem shall then be within the wals of the City and that City being built shall never afterwards be destroied as it is written behold the daies come saith the Lord and the City of the Lord shall be built from the tower of Hananeel to the gate of the corner c. it shall not be destroied nor pluckt downe for ever It is said also in the Psalm if the Lord build not the house they labour in vaine who build it But this hee saith of the sanctuary and City of Ierusalem Behold from that day wherein the house of the Lord was wasted and the Israelites led into captivity and the City destroied Ierusalem was now againe rebuilt and now againe destroi'd because it was in the power of the Idumeans and in the power of the Ismaelites and every year war was raised for it they build it and these destroy it againe because it is not the will of the Lord that the Gentiles should keep it built and therefore they labour in vaine who build it and in vaine doe they rise in the morning who keepe it First the Idumeans did subdue Ierusalem afterwards when they were quiet the Ismalites came and made a great war with the christians and tooke the City out of their hands and there was a continuall war between them and that discord paines and labour to possesse the City shall endure untill the Redeemer and King Messias shall come to whom the Lord God shal deliver Ierusalem without all trouble Christian Shall the City and the Temple be then built as Ezechiel saw them in the spirit of Prophecy Iew Yes for he saith thus in the 25 yeare of our captivity in the beginning of the year in the tenth moneth in that day the Lord brought me to the land of Israel and set me upon an exceeding high mountaine upon which there was as it were the building of the City from the south because in the day of mercy God will pardon the iniquity of Israel and will remember their sin no more and the Temple shall be built in the mountaine and the City Ierusalem shall be next to it on the south there the Lord shews Ezekiel the building of the future Temple that the hope of the Israelites might not faile but they might know they should return into their own land and should dwell in it securely and the building of the Temple shall bee much greater then it was at the beginning though it shall not differ in forme and order Christian Ezekiel had this vision in the babylonish captivity before the second house was built therefore it cannot be understood of the building of a third Temple Againe I aske of you at what time of the year shall the Israelites goe into their owne land after your Messias shall come Iew I have told you already namely in the day of propitiation for then God shall pardon
To establish the earth that is repaire the desolations of the land of Israel and possesse the heritages lying under desolation all the time of the captivity v. 9. saying to the bound goe forth out of captivity for the Israelites are as prisoners who have not any power to goe out of captivity and power of the Gentiles In like manner the captivity is compared to darknesse ver. 9. Moreover they shal be fed because they shall finde every where so much as shall satisfie them untill they shall come forth out of captivity even in the high places where at another time no pasture is found for cattell because of the desert of water and in places where other travellers can get nothing they shall find all sufficiency v. 10. they shall no where suffer hunger or thirst the Lord providing necessaries for them who shall open in the deserts fountains for them and shall make fruit-bearing trees to grow for their profit and all these things shall happen to them miraculously Also in all the places of deserts by which they shall passe fountains of water shall flow forth Lastly hee saith and I will make all my mountaines a way and my high ways shall be exalted I will make every valley to bee exalted and every mountaine or hill shall bee made low and that wonderfully lest in their journie they should bee compelled to ascend and descend to their wearying And thus according to the litterall meaning the saying also may be figurative namely that by that long journie they shall not bee wearied for the ascent and descent doe exceedingly weary the Traveller therefore God shall give them strength that they may not at all be wearied Moreover the Prophet subjoins I 'll make my mountains and my paths For God shall make new waies through the deserts where before was no way and when he adds again behold these c. He recounts the foure parts of the world into which the Israelites are scattered By the sea understand the west and by the land of Sinim the south for there dwell the Sineans who descended from the sons of Canaan Christian And what shall be after that you shall be gathered together in the Land of Israel will they build Cities and til the ground Iew It is written the sons of strangers shall build thy wals and their Kings shall serve thee because in my anger I smote thee and in my loving kindnesse I had compassion on thee The Nations in thy land shall build thy wals and shall doe thy worke for at that time when my indignation was upon thee thou wert brought into the service of the Nations but in the time of my good pleasure the Nations shall likewise serve thee as also their Kings Thy gates shall be open continually day and night neither shall they bee ever shut that they may bring to thee the riches of the Gentiles and their Kings may also be brought He saith thy gates shall be open because peace shall be in the whole world they shall go by night because of the heat and Kings likewise shall gather themselves together to come before the Messias as servants before their Lord For it is the manner of Kings when they goe on foot or ride on a horse for honour sake to bee conducted by Princes The glory of Lebanon shall come to thee the firre tree the box tree and the pine tree to adorne the place of my sanctuary and I will honour the place of my feet for they did build the sanctuary with the trees of Lebanon which is set directly against the throne of Majesty and when the throne of Majesty is the sea of God it follows that the sanctuary is his footstool Moreover the gate of heaven is above the sanctuary and that is as it were the navill of the world and the land of Israel is put in the middle of the world and Ierusalem in the middle of the Land of Israel and the sanctuary in the middle of Ierusalem and the Temple in the middle of the sanctuary and the Arke in the middle of the Temple and the Temple of holinesse is called the throne of Majesty Againe the Lord saith to Isaiah Behold I will lay thy stones with faire colours and lay thy foundations with saphires and I will make thy windowes of agats and thy gates of carbuncles and all thy borders of pleasant stones and all thy children shall be taught of the Lord Therefore it may be that these words may be fulfilled according to the letter or else they may bee a figure by which is exprest the magnificence and abundance of good things which Israel shall enjoy that if they would they might in those daies build their houses of precious stones Finally all his sonnes shall be taught of the Lord and a man shall no longer teach his neighbour Christian By these words heavenly Ierusalem is figured out or surely by these words is signified the congregation and Church of the faithfull which is the spirituall Ierusalem But I desire you to tell me somewhat more concerning this thing Iew Againe Isaias saith stangers shall stand and feed your sheep and the sons of strangers shall be your husbandmen and vine-dressers But yee shall bee called the Priests of the Lord men shall call you the servants of our God ye shall eate the substance of the Gentiles doe ye understand these words Christian I doe not clearly understand doe you therefore vouchsafe to explaine them more plainly to me Iew Behold strangers shall arise out of their owne place and shall come to serve us but we shall not bee compelled to doe our owne businesses but the sons of strangers shall do them to the end that wee may bee more free to serve God Moreover we shall eat the substance of the Gentiles For besides this that they shall serve us in our land they shall bring us also gifts gold and silver and every good thing out of their owne land and we shall not be compelled to goe out of our own land to exercise merchandise and to get gaine for in our owne land wee shall injoy the good of the world Againe the Prophet saith and their seed shall be known in the Nations and their off-spring in the midst of the people all who shall see them shall know them that they are of the seed which the Lord hath blessed and when we shall go by the Land of the Gentiles to travell abroad or to trafficke although we shall have no need of them wee shall bee knowne by our great honours in which wee shall then be and we shall goe honorably apparelled and men shall say of us these are the children of Israel these are the seed which the Lord hath blessed Likewise our young men shall goe for their pleasure to see the Countries of the Gentiles God also shall renew a good aire so that the Israelites shall live in health many yeares Also he shal give the earth a singular