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A77749 Doctor Chamberlain visited with a bunch of his own grapes, gathered out of his own packet of letters: to know whether my answer to his question gave satisfaction, and that by his reply to partake of those rare gifts of the spirit, which he proffered to publish in Black-fryers Church. Also an answer to Dr Chamberlains reply, concerning sprinkling the baptized. / By Thomas Bakewel. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1650 (1650) Wing B532; Thomason E601_4; ESTC R206402 21,189 30

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Anabaptists who hold all things common and it may be some of them are not very cleanly and so not fit to plunge the faces of some where the talls of others were newly washed in this is not decently nor in order Mr Doctor 3. But we are said to be buried with Christ by Baptism Rom. 6.4 therefore the baptized is to be plunged under water Answ In this Text is no mention made of baptizing with water which is the outward form of Baptism only we are said to be baptized into the death of Christ and after death buried with him by Baptism Now Jesus Christ a long time after he was baptized of Iohn in Iordan saith I have a Baptism to be baptized with Luk. 12.50 which was his death and burial and he saith to the sons of Zebedee Ye shall drink of my Cup and be baptized with my Baptism Mat. 20.23 that is they shall dye and be buried and rise again at the last day and also in this life they shall receive the things signified that is the body of sin shall dye by the death of Christ and their sinne shall be buried or covered by the burial of Christ and they shall rise to newness of life by the Resurrection of Christ and these are all expressed in that text Rom. 6.2 4. This is the doctrine of Baptisms spoken Heb. 6.2 but I say here is no mention of the Form of Baptism therefore no warrant from this Text to plunge the baptized under water Now if we should bring all those Texts that speake of Baptism to prove the outward Forme wee should runne into such a labyrinth that wee should not bee able to get out as for example Paul speakes of baptizing the dead saying If the dead rise not at all why are they then baptized for the dead 1 Cor. 15.25 Now although here be more in this Text to prove the Forme of Baptisme then in that Rom. 6. yet wee may not at all ground any Forme of Baptisme from it first because the party is dead and so unfit to make a member of the Church by that solemne admitance Secondly Any woman may wash the body when it is dead but none may baptize any Christian with that Form of Baptism given to the Church but the Ministers of the Gospel which are sent to preach and baptize Mat. 28.19 Thirdly This washing the dead carcasse was done without any words of institution therefore not the Form of Baptism given to the Church Therefore from such Texts as these we have no warrant to plunge the baptized in or under the water To all this you say when I bid my man wash a cup or glasse doth it signifie nothing unlesse I bid him doe it with water Let him that is diligent so reade and satisfie himselfe with the Texts Rom. 6.4 Col. 2.12 1 Cor. 1.6 Answ Baptisme doth not always signifie washing but Death and Burial and sometimes Doctrines Act. 18.25 neither doth washing always signifie baptizing for then if you should say to your man wash my cup it were all one as to say baptize my cup and so your wife might say to her maid baptize my dishes when they are foul But these New-Lights are nothing but palpable darknesse from the Prince of Darknesse Then you tell me that you will not be at the charges of printing a Satisfaction to every one that scribles having spent and lost so much for the Publique and repayd with so much Injustice and Ingratitude nor will you meddle at present with the lawfulnesse or unlawfulnesse of your Ministry not His it seemes Now if your losses be so great why did you print at all and who doe you blame for your losses and that requitall of Injustice and Ingratitude And then you begge a praise of your patience and excuse your pride and pray to winne mee to the Trueths of God in Christ To this Prayer I shall joyne with you in that word Amen and then I am sure if the Lord heare and grant it I shall never turne Anabaptist May 2. 1650. Imprimatur I. D. FINIS