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A00273 A dialogue or Familiar talke betwene two neighbours co[n]cernyng the chyefest ceremonyes, that were, by the mighti power of Gods most holie pure worde, suppressed in Englande, and nowe for vnworthines, set vp agayne by the bishoppes, the impes of Antichrist: right learned, profitable, and pleasaunt to be read, for the comfort of weake co[n]sciences in these troublous daies. Read first, and then iudge. 1554 (1554) STC 10383; ESTC S115543 27,807 78

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Israel but it is thou O Achab and thy fathers house Osee iiii viii that haue forsakē the lord your God and haue serued Baal So Nicholas lay the fault wher it is worthy to be layed and doubt ye not Prou. i. but the day is at hand except ye repent that as ye now cast away God and his word so wyl god cast you away and as he called to you and ye would not hear him so shal you cal to him Pro. xviii and he will not heare you And you that haue stopped your eares that ye might not hear the law God shal stop his eares frō you your praiers shal be accurssed Nich. Tush care not for that God was neuer better serued thē he is now Mattins euensōg masse goodli sōg with prycksong organs we do all good thinges as we were wont to do Oli. Yea yea ye serue him as ye list and not as he commaundeth For he commaundeth you to beleue in his sonne and to folow his holy word but thys ye leaue vndone then ye pipe hym a daunce on the organes Nicho. Ther is nothing pleaseth the. Oli. what can please ani Christiā hart when he seeth gods worde set aside and contemned But Nicholas ▪ wherefore serueth holye candels Nich. To light vp in thūder and to blesse men when they lye a dying Oliuer The true light for thē that lie a dying is to know the sweete promises of Iesus Christ howe he dyed for our sinnes and purchased for vs resurrection and life that euery one that beleueth vpon him should not perishe but passe from deathe vnto lyfe As Christe saith Iohn xi I am the resurrectiō and lyfe he that beleueth in me although he were dead yet shall he liue and whosoeuer lyueth beleueth in me he shal neuer dy Ioh. viii And againe Christ saith Verelye verelye I saye vnto you if a man kepe my sayinges he shall neuer se death Iohn vi And againe in the gospel of S. Iohn Al that the father hath geuē me shal come vnto me him that cōmeth vnto me I cast not away For I came downe frō heauen not to do mine owne wil but his wil that sent me And this is the fathers wil whych hath sēt me that of of al which he hath geuen me I should lose nothing but shoulde rayse them vppe agayne at the last daye And thys is the wyll of hym that sent me that eueri man that seeth the sonne and beleueth on him haue euerlasting lyfe And I wyll rayse them vppe at the last daye Thys lyghte so comforted Dauid that he sayed Psal xxvi The Lord is mi light my helth whom shall I feare And agayne Yf I shoulde walke in the myddest of the shadowe of deathe Psa xxii I wyll not feare euell for thou O Lord art wyth me Thys lyghte cōforted old Simeō that he said Lord now lettest thou thi seruant depart in peace Luke ii accordyng to thy word c. This holi candel shone so bright in S. Paules eies that he said Phill. ii I long to be dissolued and to be with Christ This is our defēce against the thunder claps of gods wrath that falleth vpon sinners And wher this holy light of gods worde shineth Ioh. viii men walke not in darkenesse but haue the light of life But wher this is not what can thy holy candel do but light the into a wrong belefe so lead the into the darke dongeon of hell wherefore serueth holye palmes Nich. To make crosses to bear in our pursses and to set vp vpō our windowes and dores that the diuel come not nigh vs nor into our houses Oliu. what if the deuil be in the house or euer the crosse be set vp Nich. Then let him flye away on the diuels name Oli. How shal he flye out seing the doores and windowes be so crossed that he dare not come nie them Shall he creepe into the benche hole or fly out at the top of the chymney Nich. He maye if he list for I beleue he hath no power to comeny the holy crosse Oliuer what if a crosse were set there made of an hasell sticke or of an vnhalowed palme wer it not so good as this Nich. No mary were it not Oliue why so Nich. For this made vpon Palme sundai in the passion time of halowed palme Oliuer Se the craftie diuel ▪ and how the people are deluded with blinde guydes The old church kept a memorye the sūday before Ester how Christes glory was openly receiued acknowledged among the Iewes when they met him with date tree bowes and other faire bowes and confessed that he was the sonne of God commen into the worlde to saue mankinde and the gospel declaring the same was apointed to be read on that day But nowe our blind leaders of the blind toke away the knowledge of this with their latine processioning so that amonge .x. thousande scarce one knew what this ment They haue their laudable dumme ceremonies with lēten crosse vptide crosse and these two must iustle til Lent breake his necke Then cakes must be cast out of the steple that al the boyes in the parish must lie scambling together by the eares ▪ tyl all the parish falleth a laughīg Nic. By our Lady I haue laughed well at it ere this Oliu. Yea Nicholas I warant the the deuil laugheth ful merily that he coulde with suche preatye toies mocke out Christes gospel And then where the auncient fathers apointed the history of Christes passiō to be read that it being wel knowen vnto the people they might the more depelier weigh the causes of the same and profit that cōmeth vnto mankind this the deuil his ministers mocked out with the latin tong whiche many times neither the priest nor people vnderstode But Lord what Apes play made thei of it in great Cathederal churches Abbaies Nich. what did they there Oliu. One comes furth in his albe and his long stole for so they call their girde that they put aboute their neckes thys must be leashe wise as hunters weares their hornes This solempne syre played Christes part a gods name Then another cōpanye of singers chyldren and al song in priksong the Iewes part And the deuil the deacon I should haue said read the the middel text Nicho. what dyd the prest at the alter al this while Oliu. He stoode mum and played Iudas that betrayed his Mayster And in the meane time because it was teadiouse to be vnoccupyed suche playne soules as thou art made crosses of palme to set vpō your dorss to beare in your purses to chace awai the diuel god beforen Hath not our spiritualtie well ordred this matter trow ye to turne the reading preaching of Christes passion into such wel fauoured pastymes But tell me Nicholas hathe not thy wyfe a crosse of palme aboute her Nich. Yes in her pursse Oliuer And a go on
father almighti And S. Peter saieth The heauens muste receiue him vntyll the tyme that al thing be restored And the angels said he should come from heauen as he ascended visiblie shal be sene Sir Ihō therfore doth great wrong to hang vp breade in the Pixe and to make the people beleue that it is Christes bodye or Christes Sacrament either Nich. why is it not the holy Sacrament Oliu. water in the fount is no Sacrament but when it is put to the vse that Christ appointed it then it is a Sacrament So bread wine are no Sacramentes vntil they be put to the vse that Christ appoynted that is to be eaten in remembraunce of his body brokē and of his bloud shed then are they Sacramentes and the worthy receyuer hath the promises of Christ but the vnworthie receiueth hys condemnatiō But whē the bread is made a gase a pageāt of a plai borne about for a pompe hanged vp to be worshipped it is an horrible abuse of Christes Sacrament For Christ neuer apointed any such worshipping of his sacramentes Nicho. why may we not worship the holy sacramēt Oliu. Yes forsoth ▪ we do worshippe it with most high honour when we vse it as Christ commaunded it to be vsed that is to eate the bread and to drinke the cup in Christes remembraūce Nich. Nai sir Iohn teacheth vs to sai a pater noster to the sacramēt to find a light afore it such like Oli. Sir Iohn hath that out of his owne brain ▪ and vnlearned nole Christ nor his Apostles nor any of the auncient doctours neuer taught any suche doctrine But I pray you what can sir Iohn do more Nicho. Manye goodlye thinges Oliue what I pray the Nich. He cā make holy water holy bread holy palme holy ashes holy candels Oliu. wherfore is holy water good Nic. To driue a war diuels troublous dreames to wash away venial sins Oli. what callest thou veniall synnes Nich. Light sinnes ▪ as swearinge of custome by gods bodye sides woundes c. telling of ribauldry tales drincking dronken and kyssing of prety wēches Oli. These be horrible sinnes in the sight of God Ephes v. and S. Paule saith for such thinges sake the wrathe of God cōmeth vpō the children of vnbelefe what callest thou deadli sin Nich. Losing of Masse Matins Euensōg breaking of imber daies vigils and lenten Oliu. Ah Lord how you worship God in vayne Math. xv Esa xxix being afraide to breake mens traditions would to God men were but halfe so ready to keepe Gods commaundementes But what remedye for those deadlye synnes Nicho. we must be shryuen to syt Iohn he shal geue vs penaunce Oliu. what is penaūce Nic. That our gostly father enioyneth vs as to sai iii. pater nosters in the worship of God and saint Iulian to fast saint Anthonies fast or to say euerye daye our Ladies psalter Oliue And are thy syns then forgeuen the when thou haste done thy penaūce Nich. why not whē I haue made amendes for them Can God haue any more then amendes Oli. Ye are deceiued Nicholas eueri wai For first ye think that synne whych in some cast is done and that which euer is horrible and great sinne afore god ye count it light and smal or no sin Againe ye thincke your synnes to be put awaye for your owne penaunce doynge and for the worthynesse of your owne woorkes whych is to to greate a blasphemye Nichol. why shoulde I not beleue that I am absolued when Syr Iohn layeth hys hande vpon me Oliuer what saith he when he absolueth thee Nicho. Many good woordes I warrant you Oliu. I trow so but what I praye the Nicho. By my troth I can not tel but beleue wel and haue well Oliu. But howe canst thou beleue that thou vnderstādest not Nich. I beleue if I be shriuen thē he beareth al the charge not I. Olyu So maiest thou be easly deceiued But Nicholas Ioel. i. Eze. xviii true penaūce or repentaunce is a tournyng with the hart vnto God hating and detesting of the sin afore passed ii Cor. v. Ephe. iiii trusting to haue forgiuenes by Iesus Christ and fully studying to liue a newe lyfe in tyme to come Thys should sir Iohn preache to vs in Englishe that our hartes maye be broosed vnto repentaunce by the law condempning vs and quickened again bi the gratious promise of the gospel I say it shoulde be don in English that we mai hear it and vnderstande it beleue it and so be absolued from our sins For they that repent and beleue are absolued bi Christ but such as do not sir Iohn mai absolue them at his pleasure but Christ absolueth them not Therefore a latin absolution to an English sinner is as good as a shulder of mutten for a sycke horsse And thynckest thou that thou art able to make a mendes for thi sinnes Nicho. whi not Oliuer wherfore died Christ then Gala. iii. if we could make amendes with our good dedes what neded we Christ then Neded his bodi to haue bene broken for our sinnes if our dedes could haue made amendes Or neded his bloude to haue bene shedde if holy water coulde haue washed awaye our synnes Christes death were in vaine if we by our owne merites might haue deserued reconciliation pardon at the hande of God Nicho. And shal I not do good dedes fast and pray ▪ and humble my selfe before God Oliu. Yes Nicholas if thou be hartely sory thou shalt weepe and lament thy wickednes fast and tame thy sinful carcasse pray and instantly aske mercie of God thi father But yet al these cannot make amendes to God for thy wickednesse committed for then neded thou not Christs death nor bloudshed to be betwene God the but thou wilt not forsake that I trust Nicho. No god forbodde I should Oliuer Then marke thys wel al thy good dedes are dewty for the time present not amendes for thy time past For if thou haddest done no sinne at all art thou not bound to kepe gods commaūdementes I trow yes But if thou offend against gods commaūdementes then must thou repent turne to god and aske pardon in Christes name and so obtain forgiuenes by his deathe who hath made amendes for the and from that time forward walke in gods commaundementes obedientlye And if thou haue hurt or harmed thy neighbour reason wold thou shuldest make him amēdes Didst thou neuer fal out with non of thi neighbours Nich. Yes by our ladi somtime Oliu. And didst thou no displeasure to thē in thine anger Nicho. No by god but as I came frō the hai making with mi pitch forke I dabbed a Cowe of hys in the flancke that she dyed of it Oliuer And what penaunce didst thou for that spiteful dede Nich. I said .v. Pater nosters in the worship of God and the .v. woundes and gaue a peny to a poore man Oliue Here if thou hadst hadde a good
felowshyppe tel me thinckest thou not sometyme the deuil is in her tounge Syghe not man Nich. I wold she heard you you might fortune to finde him in her tong and fist both Oliu. Then I se wel he cōmeth not in her purse because the holi palme crosse is ther but if thou couldest intreate her to beare a crosse in her mouth thē he would not come there neither Nich. Saye you what you list the holy crosse is good Oliu. Nicholas I take god to recorde no man liuing more highly estemeth the signe and token that Christ dyed on then I do but the holier it is the more impietye is it that the preaching of Christes deathe and passyon that he suffered for vs shuld be set aside and the people deluded with superstitious opinions For such superstitious crossinges rather bring the dyuell to house then driue him frō vs. Nic. Yea and such as ye are maye say what ye list for the people lyked this better then your preachings and Sir Iohn hath willed the parish to bie a new crosse that we might folow the good lord again a precession Oliu. why wil he not say the English Letanie kneling in the bodi of the church that the people mai say it with him Nich. Tush we care not for it it is left of long since it is to teadious we wil folow the crosse a pression as our forefathers did Oliu. O folowers it is great piti to se one blind folow another til both fal in the pyt Nich. Sir Iohn tolde vs Math. xv that Christ said If any man wil be my disciple he must folow my crosse Oliu. I can sit Iohn thanck he is a cūning coblet The text Nicholas is thys Mat. xvi Mark viii Luke ix ● Christe declared vnto his disciples that he must go vnto Hierusalem and there suffer many thinges of the elders of the high priestes and Scribes and be killed and rise againe the thyrde day Here Peter of a good carnal loue to his master toke him aside and rebuked him saying Master fauour thy selfe this shal not be Then turned he about and sayed vnto Peter Come after me Satan thou offendest me because thou sauourest not the thinges that are of God but the things that are of men Iesus then said to his disciples If any man wil folow me let him forsake himselfe and take vp his crosse and folow me For whosoeuer wil saue his life shall lose it But whosoeuer shal loose hys life for my sake and the Gospels the same shal saue it Here ye see what it is to beare the crosse and to folow the crosse and mark wel the order of the text Christ declared that he must suffer at their hādes which in veri dede should of deutie afore al other haue gloryfied him his doctrine Nic. who wer thei Oliu. The bishops priestes lawyers as now adaies one bishop being a crafti lawier worketh more myschiefe against the truth then a. M. beside cā do And yet the same with fained wordes of hipocrisi wil make al the world beleue that he seketh gods glori the reformatiō of religiō cōmō wealth of the people Euē as Caiphas did when he said in the coūsel Ihon. xi it is expedient that one mā die for the people that the hole natiō perish not So sai they it is expedient that this doctrine of the gospell be destroyed the preachers burned so shal we agre with other realmes haue the hyest greatest in the world on our side But Caiphas was deceiued for the wai that he purposed to saue the people he destroied them and his wiked coūsel fel on his own pate as it wil do without dout vpō our hipocrits at the last Now cōmeth peter as much as in him is coūcelleth Christ to fauour himselfe But then Christ preached this sermō To folow Christ that those that wil be Christs disciples must folow him that is as Christ most earnestli cōstantli did the vocatiō that his heauenly father apointed him traueling frō place to place preachīg teachīg the wil of god vnto the people calling them to repentaūce amendment of life so won soules vnto the heauēli father so must al Christes disciples do theyr vocation with faith diligence And wold to God oure byshoppes woulde well looke vpon thys texte for it principallye toucheth them And to take vp hys crosse dailye is to suffer with patience the miserable afflictions and tribulatiōs pouertie neede sorowe syckenes pryson losse of goodes catels frends and al other that god laieth vpon vs. To take these things with quiet mindes knowledging that thei are laid vpon vs for our sins to kil sinne in vs to mortifi our fleshly lustes and apetites to raise and sturre vp true repentaunce hartie inuocation vpon god and paciently and faithfully to waite for deliueraunce at gods hand Thys is to take vp our crosses and to folow Christ euen to denie our selues and to lose our liues for hys word and gospels sake This is another maner of peece of worke then to carye palme crosses in our pursses or to go a procession after a tinne or copper or siluer crosse This S. Paul reioyseth in ●i cor iiii saying we alwaies beare about in our bodies the dying of the Lord Iesus that the life of Iesu might alwaies appeare in our bodies And again he saith ▪ Gala. vi God forbid that I shuld reioyce but in the crosse of oure Lorde Iesu Christe whereby the world is crusified vnto me and I vnto the world that is the world greatli estemeth outward ceremonies and shewes of holines as the Iewes mutch boasted the circūcision of the flesh and neglected the new creature of the mind but Paul al true Christians reioyce not in sutche outward shewes of holines but in the true holynes of the hart and minde and espetiallie in this high benefit and gyft of god that they ar called to be partakers with Christ of the miseries and troubles of this world And as the world euer despiced Christe and coūted him accurssed and so put him to the most vile deathe of the crosse so hath it euer done by Paule and al the Apostels and all other that folow their doctryne These must be dispiced and persecuted of the world ▪ and not counted worthy cōmon breath ▪ aier And Paule his folowers the disciples of Christ againe cōdemne the worlde by the iust sentence of gods worde because they refuse Christ cast aside the doctrine of his gospel and chose rather to be leade in the darcke dreames and mistye imaginations of hipocrits then in the cleare lyght of Gods holy scripture and veritie thus is Paule crucified vnto the world the world is crucified vnto Paul God knowith few bear the crosse thus and yet this is it that Christ requireth of vs to be his disciples to folowe hym to denye our selues and to beare our crosses