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A08899 A dialogue agaynst the tyrannye of the Papistes. Translated out of Latin into Englysse, by E.C.; Dialogus contra papistarum tyrannidem. English. Haddon, Walter, 1516-1572, attributed name.; Seres, William, d. ca. 1579.; E. C., fl. 1562. 1562 (1562) STC 19176; ESTC S120121 18,429 52

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for our safety For why shoulde not necessitye preuaile asmuch with vs to defend our life as their vnlawful violence preuaileth wyth them to ouerthrowe oure estate And yf we be in fault that dryne away this tiranny frō our heades how horrible is their myschiefe that persecute oure lyfe with fier and swoorde We muste therefore beware and take great h●…ede sythe our aduersaryes bee so subtil and wilye so cruellye and myscheuouslye mynded so mighty and stronge on euerye side Their atttemptes must be stayed and preuented in time For if Fraunce be in this heat the Realmes that be nere about cannot long be in peace Let vs then ass●…mble our selues together to quenche thys common fyer wyth whiche yf Fraunce shall once burne and flame so many Christian Nations shal be in hazard of like destruction as Antichrist can anoy with al his members Thou chieflye O Englande looke aboute thee and take dilygent heede for besydes the common quarrell of Relygion thou hast certaine Popysh Prynces dwellinge at the nexte doore to thee that be euen sworn fully bent to doe thee a mischiefe who afore this time whē as they were not in armour went about as much as in them lay to spoile bereue thy most excellēt queene of her lawefull Crowne and Diademe They y ● deuysed such iniuryes in peace what will they doe in warre we must stand stoutly to our cause we must forsee al thinges diligently lest this plage fall vppon vs before we knowe from whence it commeth Where there is leaste feare there the Enemy doth most anoy specially being so hainous so craf ty and deadly an enemy Therfore it is more wisedome to feare then to liue in hope for feare encreaseth hede taking but hope causeth vs to be negligent Cecin You doe verye well require a care in this matter y ● only thing that is most precious in al worldly affaires w tout which no notable exployt was euer done worthy cōmendation The gentiles in the olde time honoured the same as a stay and Buttresse of their whole life The holye Scripture doeth detest that person who euer he bee that is negligent and slowe in the workes of the Lorde The Authour and penaltie of whiche curse yf miserable mortal men would inwardly and diligently ponder they would lay aside all vaine desires they would cast away the workes of darkenes and would be enflamed with the heate of godlines in such sort as neither fier nor famin nor sworde nor anye violence from Hell or heauen may hale or drawe them awaye from the loue of god So feruent was Paule that elect and chosen Uessell of God So earnest was Dauid the kinge and Prophet Who professeth hatred against the enemies of God So zelous was Ieremye who couched in a deepe dongeon and afflicted with moste bitter tormentes did Thunder out hys sayings and prophecies against the frowardnes and ignorance of the people But we which would seme to worship and reuerence the restored truthe of the Gospel we do it so faintly and coldly that it had bene much better for vs neuer to haue knowen so deuine and reuerent treasures then suffer theyn●… so shamefullye to be taken from vs. Heluid You iustlye complaine of thys matter and surely it is a heauy case It is to much rest ease in dede that hath made vs so negligent recheles Now God geueth vs these troublesome seasons to stirre vp our flouth to wake vs out of our slepe to whet our wits and to make vs more diligent It is time therefore to rise vppe from ●…eepe it is time for vs to play the menne yea it is high time for vs to remoue by commen aduyse the commen disturbers of all godlines about which matter that we maye vse suche courage of mynde and cherefulnes of harte as the weightynesse of the cause requireth twoo thinges especiallye ought to be consyred of vs The first and the chiefest is that it is gods quarrel whiche we take nowe in hande by whome we lyue moue and haue oure beinge And seing by his aboūdant goodnes mercy we are come to this estate wherein we now stand let vs restore to him again al that we haue syth we receyued it of him when he demaūdes it Of him only and alone cometh whatsoeuer wee haue had or maye haue To this eternall terrible and almightye God lette vs consecrate the temples of oure mindes dedicate the tabernacles of our bodies and let vs goe with a sure confidence of mynde yf neede be euen to death for the honor of him who sent vs his only begotten son Iesus Christ to die for vs to thyntēt he might make vs a waye to euerlastinge life And in this hathe the holye ghoste decreed to consyste eternal life trulye to knowe God and whome he sente Iesus Christ. To thende therfore that we may kepe purelye and sincerely this profession of Gods holye name and power there is no labor to be forsaken no perill to be shonned For if al thinges whyche we would euen wish and deuise were heaped vpon vs if our soule perishe there is no hope nor comfort remaininge Therfore let vs eyther clerelye refuse the name of Christians or els let vs for y ● glory of Christ aduenture any maner of thing how difficult so euer it semeth to be yea what e●…tremity so euer is offered vnto vs lette vs arme oure selues pacientlye to endure it For Christ wil forsake vs in heauen if we forsake him in earth When after this sort we haue lifte vppe oure mindes to heauen and ioyned our selfes with God then let vs come down again to the earth ther let vs loke about vs what kind of men thei be w t whō we be at variance what they tēd to what mark they shote at what end they would haue of their matters And if we list to loke so far back as mās remēbrance is well able to reach to we shal find them a cruel bloudy broode lyke vnto their Graunde and greate Graundefathers who haue alwayes gone aboute to scatter and spoyle the meeke and innocente flocke of Christe The Deuyll hathe bene a murtherer from the beginninge both him self and also sturred vp Caine in the first creation of the worlde to kyll his brother Abell makynge sacrifice to God and beinge holilye occupied The auncient Prophetes when they lyued the best and quietest life that might be and tooke vppon them none other charge but only to declare the will of god vnto his people were afflycted with al kind of spite and punishment Our Lorde Iesus Christe liuinge a most peaseable life entermedling with nothing but with the sincere worshippinge of God his father was most shamefully railed vpon was most cruelly torne with all kindes of tormentes last of all nailed vpon the Crosse. The disciples folowed their masters steppes beinge like both in life and not much vnlike in death The auncient Martirs that did succede them when as euen theyr aduersaries
downe afore him askinge pardon requesting mercy and offering him the keyes of their town He like a famished and hungry wolfe rushing in amongst the poore seely sheepe first and formost not without great impietie commaunded their chiefe preacher or Minister to be apprehended and hanged and afterward without anye respecte eyther of kinde or of age slewe moste shamefullye and wickedlye the rest of the common people The Mareshall Saint Andrew folowing the crueltye of Thaumale thinking his confederates hadde not spilt bloude inoughe at Poityers highinge him thither in great post with sworde shot and sundrye other tormentes oppressed and destroyed a sely company of innocent women and yonge folke that had escaped the handes of the foremer butchers who belike had had their fyll of them afore or elles were ouerweried with to much bloudshed Whose acte was so much more detestable then the rest because not contented with the crueltye of others he heaped mischiefe vppon myschyefe and bloude vppon bloude There is another acte committed besides this against al order nature law humanity wherof albeit I name not the Aucthor yet is it true yea alas to trewe and so shamefull a matter as of the same Countreimen it is scant to be beleaued For when as the Counte Palatine one of the Princes of the Empire hadde deliuered to one of the Gentlemen of his Courte certaine packettes of letters to carye to the Prince of 〈◊〉 there was layed for him by the waye a Popish murtherer that intercepted the Messenger ●…lew him toke his letters frō him and brought them to the Guise and his complices Lo in one offence howe manye enormityes in one wickednesse howe manye detestable crueltyes But here an ende of these particuler calamities for these same menne daylye offende more and more and ware more cruell yea and so cruell all the whole companye of theym as a man can scarce imagine Cecin These thinges be horrible if so be they be true The greate Turke him selfe coulde not deale in these matters more cruelly Heluid Naye if al thinges be dulye considered this furye ercedes the rage and broyles of all tymes At the begynnynge of the common wealthe of Roome it was a verye lame●…table season to see to when as the Comminalty seuered from the Nobility by reason of sundry great wronges receiued at their handes assembled themselues in Mount Auentine Notwithstandinge they bridled them selues so in that rage that they vsed no force of weapon against their aduersari es Mary now when the cōmon wealth was growen to more perfection and riches the mal●…e of the people growinge also greater there folowed verye sore dyspleasures betwene sundrye sortes of the Citizins Amongst the which if you consider the horrible Stirre of the Triumuiri ye shall not finde it was so full of crueltye as this present broyle of the Papistes is For in that desolation of the Common wealthe the nobles only were inuaded neither was there any touchid but they they alone were held taken as condēned persons But this faction of the Papistes rūneth hedlong vpon al sortes of men neyther respecting the kinde nor age of any nor yet waiyng eyther the desertes or vertues of anye But doe condemne all to death that accordinge to the rule of the gospel doe truly and sincerely worship God the Father and his Sonne Iesus Christ. Greece when as it had bene a longe time tossed turmoiled with most cruel dissentions was content at last to lette go forget al wrongs which was both an wholesome medicine for their sicke myndes and also a good meane to redresse all their ciuil hurly burlyes The Popish prelates they wil neyther geue nor take any other condiciōs of concord and vnitie but that the Idol of Roome may still be adored and kneeled to and that all other powers states and causes finallye all maner of holye or prophaine matters may be vnder his aucthoritie and iurisdiction The Turke albeit he maketh Christian menne his slaues and bondemen yet suffreth he them to liue after their owne religion But the professours of the gospell they must either worship the greate God of Roome without exception or els they must haue their throtes cutte and leese their lifes Cecin These thynges be to true that you talke of And it hath ofte ben my chaūce to muse very much how it commeth to passe that thys opinion is so surely setled and almost grounded in the peoples mindes that there ought to be had so great and so due reuerence to the B. of Roome as it were to an other God in earth that eche worde that commeth out of his mouthe shoulde be taken for an Oracle And finallye that all maner of meetynges together and Councelles be they neuer so solempne and generall shoulde be inferiour and subiect to his aucthoritie Heluid There may be hereof alledged many and sundrye causes but the chiefest of them all and of greatest force is Euyll Custome Which Cipriane doeth verye aptelye terme A Contynuance of Errour It is this same continuance of Errour O Cecinna whiche hauinge ones bene planted by custome and in proces of yeares taken roote doth exercise great Tirannye in mens mindes and can hardly of a long season be forgotten Moreouer thys same great Potentate of Roome hath ordered the matter so that he hath brought and conueyed vnto hym selfe the fruytes profittes dignities prefermentes and promotions of all quarters of the world which he doth verye liberallye dispose amonge his adherentes wher withall they being so largely rewarded and benefited can not but honour so good a benefactour hang al together on his sleeue cleaue to him lyke burres and rather hee content to loose their lifes then forgo so great commodities There may be added hereunto a thirde cause which is also very much materiall how that the Sea of Roome geueth oute great store of pardons and graunteth almost a free liberty both to saye and doe all maner of euill and as for mens maners there is small hede or regard taken therto But if there chaūce any fault or trespasse to be committed money will strayte heale all the matter and vnder Benedicite thoffender shalbe absolued Wherfore where forgeuenes of sinnes may so easily be procured and where be so liberall rewardes stirring for the pleasures receiued it is no maruaile at all though there be both a great number of ambitious and couetous men abrode in the world and also as great routes swarmes of wicked offendors that be nothing ashamed of their euill doinges wherof they loke for litle or no punishment at al and frō whēce they can as oft as they lust be so easilie quit and discharged Cecin Your talke seemeth vnto me verye probable How be it the Popish propsters as you knowe make theyr reckeninge from Peter and they doe deriue a certeyne continuance of theyr religion from the auncient sea of the Bishops of Rome whiche they haue also at lengthe gotten confirmed with the opinions of certaine deuines and therefore