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A77749 Doctor Chamberlain visited with a bunch of his own grapes, gathered out of his own packet of letters: to know whether my answer to his question gave satisfaction, and that by his reply to partake of those rare gifts of the spirit, which he proffered to publish in Black-fryers Church. Also an answer to Dr Chamberlains reply, concerning sprinkling the baptized. / By Thomas Bakewel. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1650 (1650) Wing B532; Thomason E601_4; ESTC R206402 21,189 30

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Anabaptists who hold all things common and it may be some of them are not very cleanly and so not fit to plunge the faces of some where the talls of others were newly washed in this is not decently nor in order Mr Doctor 3. But we are said to be buried with Christ by Baptism Rom. 6.4 therefore the baptized is to be plunged under water Answ In this Text is no mention made of baptizing with water which is the outward form of Baptism only we are said to be baptized into the death of Christ and after death buried with him by Baptism Now Jesus Christ a long time after he was baptized of Iohn in Iordan saith I have a Baptism to be baptized with Luk. 12.50 which was his death and burial and he saith to the sons of Zebedee Ye shall drink of my Cup and be baptized with my Baptism Mat. 20.23 that is they shall dye and be buried and rise again at the last day and also in this life they shall receive the things signified that is the body of sin shall dye by the death of Christ and their sinne shall be buried or covered by the burial of Christ and they shall rise to newness of life by the Resurrection of Christ and these are all expressed in that text Rom. 6.2 4. This is the doctrine of Baptisms spoken Heb. 6.2 but I say here is no mention of the Form of Baptism therefore no warrant from this Text to plunge the baptized under water Now if we should bring all those Texts that speake of Baptism to prove the outward Forme wee should runne into such a labyrinth that wee should not bee able to get out as for example Paul speakes of baptizing the dead saying If the dead rise not at all why are they then baptized for the dead 1 Cor. 15.25 Now although here be more in this Text to prove the Forme of Baptisme then in that Rom. 6. yet wee may not at all ground any Forme of Baptisme from it first because the party is dead and so unfit to make a member of the Church by that solemne admitance Secondly Any woman may wash the body when it is dead but none may baptize any Christian with that Form of Baptism given to the Church but the Ministers of the Gospel which are sent to preach and baptize Mat. 28.19 Thirdly This washing the dead carcasse was done without any words of institution therefore not the Form of Baptism given to the Church Therefore from such Texts as these we have no warrant to plunge the baptized in or under the water To all this you say when I bid my man wash a cup or glasse doth it signifie nothing unlesse I bid him doe it with water Let him that is diligent so reade and satisfie himselfe with the Texts Rom. 6.4 Col. 2.12 1 Cor. 1.6 Answ Baptisme doth not always signifie washing but Death and Burial and sometimes Doctrines Act. 18.25 neither doth washing always signifie baptizing for then if you should say to your man wash my cup it were all one as to say baptize my cup and so your wife might say to her maid baptize my dishes when they are foul But these New-Lights are nothing but palpable darknesse from the Prince of Darknesse Then you tell me that you will not be at the charges of printing a Satisfaction to every one that scribles having spent and lost so much for the Publique and repayd with so much Injustice and Ingratitude nor will you meddle at present with the lawfulnesse or unlawfulnesse of your Ministry not His it seemes Now if your losses be so great why did you print at all and who doe you blame for your losses and that requitall of Injustice and Ingratitude And then you begge a praise of your patience and excuse your pride and pray to winne mee to the Trueths of God in Christ To this Prayer I shall joyne with you in that word Amen and then I am sure if the Lord heare and grant it I shall never turne Anabaptist May 2. 1650. Imprimatur I. D. FINIS
as sprinkling and yet at the end of this Section you confesse That sprinkling the Conscience with the blood of Christ and washing the body with water from the same Text that I quote Heb. 10.22 comprehends the two compleat parts of baptism and yet you would drown the sence by the Iewish washings saying They had sprinkling with water Lev. 14.7 Num. 8.7 distinct from sprinkling with blood Exod. 12.22.29.21 and both distinct from baths and washings Levit. 15.5 to 27. in divers other places And we have under the Gospel Baptism distinct from the Lords Supper and the Holy Ghost is punctual Ioh. 19.34 But that text onely proves that Christ is our Sanctification and Justification signified by that water and blood see other Texts parallel 1 Ioh. 5.6 This is he that came by water and blood to be Righteousnesse Sanctification and Redemption 1 Cor. 1.30 but not punctual to distinguish the two Sacraments for one of them to Justifie and the other to Sanctifie and least of all punctual to distinguish the outward Formes of the two Sacraments for suppose you say here is water the outward Forme of Baptisme yet Mr Doctor here is no bread and wine the Forme of the other Sacrament Then you say If the Iewes had confounded the sprinkling of water with that of blood they would have been negligent in those things they were to be exact and if we should do so we should soon arrive at spiritual Babel which is rife with many who think themselves spiritual But Mr Doctor our difference is betweene sprinkling and plunging and we shall distinguish the two Sacraments as well as you And you confesse that the Jewes did keep them distinct that of water and that of blood although both were administred by sprinkling How much easier is it for us to distinguish between drinking wine and sprinkling with water at our two Sacraments and yet although the outward parts of the Sacraments differ yet thethings signified do not so differ for saith Mr Perkins on Galat pag. 214. line 32. Water resembleth Christ crucified with all his merits The blood of Christ cleanseth from all sin 1 Ioh. 1.7 And also faith he The water resembleth the inward washing by the Spirit and both by Iustification and Sanctification 1 Cor. 6.11 Tit. 3.5 and other signes as death and burial of sin and resurrection to newnesse of life And this is all that can be gathered both from the Jewish and Christian Sacramental washings and cleansings under the Law and under the Gospel which doth not at all take away sprinkling the baptized but rather confirmes it to be of God and not of man Also you have confessed That the outward Forme and the thing signified should go together from many Texts Matt. 3.11 Mark 1. Luke 3. Act. 1.5 2.58 10. Yea God will not do the one without the other the outward washing and the inward sanctification ought to goe together not the outward washing alone but the inward answer of a good Conscience towards God through Iesus Christ 1 Pet. 3.21 And yet I smell a designe you have in those expressions drawn from that Text Mat. 3.7 The Pharisees and Sadduces without fruits of Repentance were not admitted to the Baptisme of water Hence it may be you will gather That fruites must appeare on all before they shall have the outward Forme of Baptisme that you may exclude Infants it is true these Sectaries Iohn refused as unworthy of admittance till Reformation but all other that were willing were admited And besides the case of Infants whose Parents are admited is not the same with those that are converted from Judaisme or Heathenisme to the Christian Faith the Parents and their seed are set apart for holy uses as members of the visible Church although they want real infused Holiness they have a right to the Ordinances yea if but one of the Parents be admitted the children are holy faith Paul 1 Cor. 7.14 But this point hath beene so sufficiently cleared by others that I shall wave it You come to my second Argument The signe must be visible to put us in minde of the thing signified The token of the Covenant shall be seene Gen. 9.11 14. The People being sprinkled must behold the blood of the Covenant Exod. 24.8 The senses must bee exercised Hebr. 5.14 but hee that is plunged under water can neither hear the words of institution nor see the signe therefore unfit to use that Ordinance To this you say Sprinkling is but lately allowed of by the Directory but not by the booke of Common Prayer But what of that Doth antiquity of error make it ever the better But you ask whether by our Rule wee doe not make a face Christian yea a speckled faced Christian by sprinkling here and there a drop as if the water in Baptism were of a staining and not of a cleansing nature moreover saith he if we allow Baptism to signifie the washing away of sin as all Catechisms imply would you wash the face and outward appearance of sinne and so make an outside Pharisee-Christian But I say would you have the Elementary water go any further then the outside you that plunge all over yet all is but the outside and the more of outside in any duty the more you are Pharisee-like and that the outward Forme of Baptisme by water signifies the cleansing from sinne I grant but yet one drop applyed to the body in that Ordinance may signifie the greatest cleansing from sinne and if you stand so much upon your measure of water in this Ordinance let mee in your next knowe your quantity and by what measure you try the fulnesse of that quantity or else I shall suspect that you hold him most worthy to come to the Lords Table that will drinke most wine as well as to hold hee is best baptized that is plunged in most water The mean time I shall hold a drop on the face may signifie more grace in the Soul then ever any Anabaptists attained unto Again Circumcision on one part signified mortification of sinn in all parts or else by your Argument when they circumcised one part they should have flayed the skin off all over and where it was not so flayed the sinne was not mortified These are your excellent gifts it seemes you would have published in Doctor Gouges Pulpit But you get you back to the Common-Prayer Booke made by the Pope and Prelates and to them it seemes you will sticke And then you say It was the practice of Christ and His Apostles and those that we call Fathers But Mr Doctor wee must have some Proofes Old Birds will not be catched with Chaff But then you ask Would we have our faces buried with Christ in Baptisme and baptized into his Death and have our face onely rise with him or would you have onely an outside death to sin and resurrection to life in Christ Col. 2.12 Rom. 6.3 4. Or would you make Christ onely a vizzard for your face But Mr