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and_o the_o spirit_n where_o by_o the_o spirit_n the_o divine_a nature_n be_v manifest_o express_v object_n 4._o you_o must_v then_o read_v thus_o christ_n be_v mortify_v in_o his_o humanity_n and_o quicken_v in_o his_o divinity_n which_o be_v both_o absurd_a and_o impious_a p._n 24._o ans._n 1._o the_o answerer_n much_o contend_v pag._n 25_o to_o have_v the_o preposition_n ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d supply_v which_o though_o it_o be_v apostle_n not_o in_o the_o original_n nor_o vulgar_a latin_a yet_o we_o willing_o yield_v he_o but_o what_o have_v he_o gain_v by_o it_o 2._o be_v it_o impious_a to_o say_v he_o be_v quicken_v in_o his_o divine_a spirit_n and_o do_v you_o know_v what_o you_o say_v do_v not_o s._n paul_n use_v the_o same_o phrase_n he_o be_v justify_v in_o the_o spirit_n 1._o tim._n 3._o 16_o that_o be_v in_o and_o by_o the_o power_n of_o his_o divine_a spirit_n for_o there_o not_o his_o soul_n but_o his_o divine_a nature_n be_v signify_v and_o what_o difference_n 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which_o be_v against_o we_o and_o fasten_v they_o to_o the_o cross_n etc._n etc._n and_o have_v spoil_v principality_n and_o power_n have_v make_v a_o show_n of_o they_o open_o triumph_v over_o they_o in_o the_o same_o so_o read_v and_o expound_v origen_n this_o place_n of_o christ_n triumph_n upon_o the_o cross_n upon_o these_o word_n numb_a 24._o 9_o he_o couch_v as_o a_o young_a lion_n he_o lay_v down_o like_o a_o lion_n when_o hang_v numer_n upon_o the_o cross_n he_o put_v down_o principality_n and_o power_n and_o triumph_v over_o they_o in_o the_o tree_n of_o his_o cross_n augustine_n also_o show_v that_o our_o deliverance_n be_v full_o wrought_v upon_o the_o cross_n and_o the_o devil_n vanquish_v serm_n 174._o trophaeo_fw-la svo_fw-la diabolus_fw-la victus_fw-la est_fw-la seducendo_fw-la primum_fw-la hominem_fw-la occidit_fw-la occidendo_fw-la novissimum_fw-la primum_fw-la de_fw-la laqueis_fw-la perdidit_fw-la exultavit_fw-la diabolus_fw-la quando_fw-la mortuus_fw-la est_fw-la 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bellarmine_n be_v drive_v here_o to_o this_o shift_n to_o grant_v that_o although_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n 15._o soul_n be_v not_o necessary_a in_o hell_n yet_o it_o be_v of_o congruity_n it_o shall_v be_v there_o present_a if_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n soul_n in_o hell_n be_v not_o of_o necessity_n how_o have_v they_o all_o this_o while_n urge_v it_o as_o a_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n for_o every_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v as_o necessary_a argum._n 5._o as_o the_o saint_n die_v commend_v their_o spirit_n unto_o god_n so_o do_v christ_n commend_v his_o spirit_n luk._n 23._o 46._o use_v the_o prophet_n david_n word_n psal._n 31._o 4._o he_o keep_v also_o his_o sense_n but_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o faithful_a commend_v into_o god_n hand_n do_v present_o go_v to_o heaven_n as_o stephen_n say_v lord_n jesus_n receive_v my_o spirit_n act._n 7._o 59_o can_v this_o be_v call_v a_o commend_v of_o the_o spirit_n into_o the_o hand_n of_o god_n to_o go_v down_o to_o hell_n and_o to_o remain_v among_o the_o infernal_a spirit_n again_o if_o they_o that_o die_v in_o the_o lord_n do_v after_o death_n rest_n from_o their_o labour_n revel_v 13._o 14._o much_o more_o the_o lord_n himself_o rest_v from_o his_o labour_n after_o his_o death_n but_o if_o he_o have_v hell_n to_o conquer_v and_o the_o patriarch_n to_o deliver_v after_o his_o death_n a_o great_a part_n of_o his_o labour_n remain_v what_o then_o be_v become_v of_o that_o consummatum_fw-la est_fw-la all_o be_v finish_v upon_o the_o cross_n joh._n 19_o 30._o that_o be_v whatsoever_o appertain_v to_o christ_n suffering_n travail_n and_o labour_n be_v now_o accomplish_v his_o glory_n victory_n and_o triumph_n only_o remain_v augustine_n hereunto_o give_v some_o light_n thus_o apply_v these_o word_n of_o christ_n my_o soul_n be_v heavy_a unto_o death_n tristis_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la mortem_fw-la propter_fw-la affectum_fw-la susceptae_fw-la carnis_fw-la non_fw-la post_fw-la mortem_fw-la cum_fw-la beatitudinem_fw-la spondet_fw-la societas_fw-la deitatis_fw-la non_fw-la initium_fw-la maeroris_fw-la mors_fw-la ista_fw-la sed_fw-la finis_fw-la cont._n felician_n c._n 15._o heavy_a unto_o death_n because_o of_o the_o affection_n and_o infirmity_n of_o the_o flesh_n not_o after_o death_n when_o blessedness_n be_v promise_v by_o the_o society_n of_o the_o godhead_n this_o death_n be_v not_o the_o beginning_n of_o sorrow_n and_o travail_n but_o the_o end_n argum._n 6._o christ_n soul_n go_v immediate_o unto_o heaven_n after_o the_o departure_n from_o his_o body_n ergo_fw-la it_o do_v not_o descend_v to_o hell_n the_o first_o part_n be_v prove_v by_o the_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n luk._n 23._o 43._o utter_v to_o the_o convict_v thief_n this_o day_n shall_v thou_o be_v with_o i_o in_o paradise_n which_o word_n paradise_n must_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n in_o heaven_n not_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o godhead_n only_o but_o of_o his_o whole_a person_n as_o he_o be_v the_o mediator_n and_o that_o he_o direct_o speak_v of_o the_o presence_n of_o his_o soul_n in_o paradise_n it_o may_v evident_o appear_v by_o these_o reason_n 1._o christ_n answer_v the_o thief_n according_a to_o his_o request_n but_o he_o desire_v to_o be_v remember_v when_o he_o as_o the_o messiah_n shall_v enter_v into_o his_o kingdom_n lord_n remember_v i_o when_o thou_o come_v into_o thy_o kingdom_n but_o christ_n as_o god_n be_v never_o out_o of_o his_o kingdom_n 2._o the_o phrase_n of_o speech_n give_v this_o sense_n christ_n be_v say_v to_o be_v with_o we_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o godhead_n mat._n 28._o 20._o i_o be_o with_o you_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n but_o we_o be_v say_v to_o be_v with_o he_o as_o our_o messiah_n as_o s._n paul_n say_v i_o desire_v to_o be_v dissolve_v and_o to_o be_v with_o christ_n philip._n 1._o 23._o bernard_n note_v this_o distinction_n well_o christ_n u_fw-mi nobiscum_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n 91._o christ_n be_v with_o we_o at_o all_o time_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n but_o when_o shall_v we_o be_v with_o he_o when_o we_o shall_v be_v take_v up_o and_o meet_v christ_n in_o the_o air_n 3._o that_o kingdom_n whereof_o christ_n promise_v to_o make_v the_o thief_n partaker_n be_v not_o that_o kingdom_n which_o belong_v to_o he_o as_o god_n for_o that_o be_v not_o communicable_a to_o any_o creature_n but_o which_o be_v due_a to_o he_o as_o the_o messiah_n the_o thief_n reign_v the_o same_o day_n with_o christ_n in_o paradise_n as_o bernard_n say_v that_o which_o be_v promise_v be_v do_v the_o same_o day_n he_o suffer_v together_o with_o christ_n he_o 5._o also_o reign_v together_o with_o he_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o erroneous_a speech_n of_o the_o answerer_n the_o performance_n of_o that_o promise_a presence_n with_o he_o in_o paradise_n be_v nothing_o else_o but_o the_o blissful_a fruition_n of_o his_o godhead_n pag._n 19_o contrary_a to_o the_o apostle_n who_o never_o 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the_o
with_o the_o uncircumcised_a to_o the_o nether_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n etc._n etc._n with_o they_o that_o go_v down_o to_o the_o pit_n etc._n etc._n now_o although_o we_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o these_o place_n hell_n may_v be_v expound_v of_o hell_n as_o hierom_n do_v yet_o the_o circumstance_n of_o the_o place_n will_v rather_o lead_v we_o to_o take_v it_o for_o the_o grave_n first_o because_o there_o be_v two_o word_n add_v which_o be_v proper_o so_o take_v as_o ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d bhor_v which_o signify_v a_o pit_n and_o be_v translate_v by_o the_o 70_o sometime_o ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d sometime_o ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d to_o descend_v into_o the_o pit_n or_o cave_n and_o ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d chever_z also_o which_o proper_o signify_v a_o grave_n be_v join_v with_o the_o rest_n who_o grave_n be_v make_v in_o the_o side_n of_o the_o pit_n ezech._n 31._o 23._o second_o the_o phrase_n of_o speech_n also_o give_v this_o sense_n ezech._n 31._o 18._o thou_o shall_v sleep_v in_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o circumcise_a with_o those_o that_o be_v slay_v by_o the_o sword_n and_o ezech._n 31._o 27._o they_o be_v go_v down_o to_o the_o grave_n with_o their_o weapon_n of_o war_n now_o in_o hell_n man_n sleep_v not_o neither_o be_v that_o a_o place_n for_o the_o slay_v for_o the_o soul_n die_v not_o neither_o do_v man_n carry_v their_o weapon_n thither_o three_o junius_n in_o these_o place_n interprete_v sheol_n sepulchrum_fw-la the_o grave_n 2._o though_o we_o admit_v that_o in_o these_o place_n it_o may_v be_v take_v for_o hell_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o so_o always_o take_v as_o psal._n 63._o 9_o they_o that_o seek_v my_o soul_n to_o destroy_v it_o shall_v go_v down_o into_o the_o low_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n than_o it_o follow_v vers_fw-la 10._o they_o shall_v be_v a_o portion_n for_o fox_n but_o they_o that_o go_v down_o to_o hell_n be_v no_o prey_n for_o fox_n so_o likewise_o the_o prophet_n david_n say_v psal._n 139._o 15._o thou_o 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