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A69735 A new-yeares-gift, or, A brief exhortation to Mr. Thomas Edwards that he may breake off his old sins in the old yeare and begin the new yeare with new fruits of love, first to God, and then to his brethren / by Kathrine Chidley. Chidley, Katherine. 1645 (1645) Wing C3833; ESTC R21712 21,258 29

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honest party Study-ly inveighed against that way of profession and nonconforming as you doe against the way of Separation And touching the Apologists silence in not declaring the priciples which were the causes of the divisions I Answer It may be they did not perfectly see them But I pray you tell me how you dare charge all these men you have mentioned with fearfull sinnes If the sinnes were so fearfull which Brown and Jonson were guilty of the one in stepping backe to the Church of England for feare of persecution The other to the Church of Rome for feare of nullifying his baptisme because he had it in a false Church thinking that there could be no true Ordinance in any respect in a false Church and so was constrained through want of faith and light to justifie the Church of Rome and her daughters as Mr. Samuel Rutherford hath done tell me Mr. Edwards what case are you in then if their cases were so fearfull in justifying your Churches For surely upon your owne principles these were vertues to justifie your false Churches to be true Smiths you may know was of another nature for he went from the Churches of the Separation because he judged them unbaptised persons and that was his ignorance But what have you against Mr. Barrow Was there ever any thing justly layd to this Separates charge Hee was indeed hanged at Tyburne for maintaining That the Church of England was a false Church and so was Mr. Greenwood who was his companion and fellow Prisoner though there was no matter of fact layd to either of their Charge worthy of death or bonds These two men were put to death by the Prelates in Queen Elizabeths time without her knowledge or privity and that Early in a morning the figure of their sufferings being seen in the Sky by Mariners that were in other parts and it was supposed by the beholders of the figure then to be done in England because of the women's wearing of hats for the two poore widowes that attended upon them in the Prison waited upon them to the Gallowes bearing their winding sheets the figure of all which was seen as was said before But this was done without the Queens knowledge the greife whereof by relation of those who were neer her shee carried to her death Honest Penry suffered death about the same time he was hanged at Saint Thomas a wattrings Early in the morning And who dare say ought against these men but that they lived Saints where Sathans throne was and dyed as holy Martyrs of Jesus Christ as Antipas And it may be these are the fearfull judgements you meane befell them for no other judgements befell them in this life and they shall be freed from judgement in the life to come But such false miracles you Priests worke as hath beene told you at large in my answer to your booke against Tolleration to make all the world wonder and runne after the Beast saying who is like unto the beast who is able to make warr with him But why did you not say that those were fearfull judgements of God which came upon the Martyrs who were burnt in Smithfeild in Queen Maries time they suffered for the same cause as far as they saw then and the sentence against them as it came from the seat of the Magistrate came from heaven as well as the sentence against Barrow and Greenwood and Penry and all the rest of the people of God If you will deny this you will deny Queen Mary to be a lawfull Magistrate for the secular powers passed the sentence of condemnation then as in Queen Elizabeths time for when the preists once had cryed that such and such of the Saints were guilty then the Magistrates passed the sentence that so the Preists hands might be clensed from their bloud as witnesse Mr. Foxes booke But to leave these holy Saints at rest with God I will speake something of those that are living both the people of the Separation and the people of the Church of England As touching the people of the Separation they are all visibly holy If any root of bitternesse is seene to spring up amongst them it is cast out But you would intimate that the casting out of a sinner is a strong division or else what doe you mean by the strong divisions you speake of for there is no other division of the Separation but the separating the pretious from the vile That was a strong division which was made in the Church of Corinth when they cast out the incesteous person but it was a true holy and just division because God required it and they were not to keepe the feast of the Lord till they had made that division For if they had it would not have beene for the better but for the worse For they ought not to have kept the feast with old Leven Such holy divisions you seldome or never make in the Church of England neither indeed can you being all in confusion therefore you were not capable to pick motes out of other mens eyes for as much as the beames were so bigg in your owne And whereas those that commit sinne in the Churches of Christ are cast out and remaine no longer there and are not admitted againe without repentance The members of the Church of England committing sinne yea being common and ordinary and knowne sinners yet they are forced to be still of your Church or else they shall be punished yea though they commit sinne worthy of death and be condemned by the sentence of the Magistrat yet remain they uncast out of your Church as appeareth by giving the Sacrament to Theeves and Murderers when they are going to the Gallowes be they never so impenitent It may be objected This is a false charge for wee doe not now admit all to the Sacrament wee are about reforming The Church of England was never so deformed for the most part of the Kingdome as it is now yet there is not the worst Parish of the Church of England but it hath the Sacrament still by which actions the Priests become open violaters of Gods Commandements and that against their owne knowledge in casting Gods holy things to dogs yea the best in England that taketh upon him a Parish charge is guilty of this sinne actually in sealing the seed of wicked men with Baptisme yea and all men in the Church of England are guilty thereof that consent thereunto though it be but with silence But how can it be said that any of the people of the Church of England are wicked seeing they are all members of the Church for the dogs and enchanters c. are without Revel. 22.15 By this it appeareth what manner of Church the Church of England is even such a one as Mr. Henry Barrow hath discribed it to be long agoe for if you please to read but his discovery of a false Church which he wrote in prison you shall