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A55558 Mr. Powels answer to a late fictitious pamphlet put forth by two leading Quakers, viz. John Vaughton and John Feild in which their account of a discourse between them and him is here rectified : every thing that is material in their said book answered and several notorious lies therein detected to the just shame of the publishers : also good counsel in the conclusion of the whole to such that are the principal leaders of the Quakers ... with an epistolary discourse touching the imputation of sin to Christ ... Powell, Thomas.; Vaughton, John, 1644-1712.; Field, John, 1652-1723. 1676 (1676) Wing P3067B; ESTC R24064 19,612 24

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tell 〈◊〉 they would not go out of the place unless I would dispute the Point ●●n when I should Preach or suffer them to declare their Testimony gainst me to the people And then they would depart I told them I dared not enter into a Disputation on the Lords day and at that time when I should Preach If you will defend your self ●y they we will tarry till you have done Preaching I still alledg'd an conveniency of so doing in respect of the day and then of my inability which without doubt would have been if I after I had Preach'd ●ice had then engaged with all them that were fresh The Assembly ●ing great for a Countrey Assembly I was mov'd with compassion of ●●l and being loth to lose the opportunity of Preaching to them I was ●illing to condescend to any probable way to please my Adversaries and ●●erefore told them that I would discourse the Point on the Monday allowing assoon in the Morning as they would at which all the People ●●uted saying It was fair It was fair yet unto this would not ●●se Men yield unless Articles were subserib'd unto after what man●● the Disputation should be managed and all this on the Lords Day which would have taken up our present opportunity whereas I would not we made any such Proposal to them about disputing with them my ●f had it not been pure Necessity viz. to please the Adversaries ●ut so we might not lose our present opportunity of waiting upon ●●d in his way as we esteem'd but such Roysters were they that ●y would have their own way in spight of our Teeth insomuch that ●y made us who were a great Assembly to desert our Place for could not get them out unless as aforesaid we would have ●ip'd them and Scourg'd them which were the occasion of my taking those words And after we were gone two of those Qua●s got into my Pulpit and there Preach'd only I think they throw'd ●n the Cushion After this I was forc'd by reason of their defaming me to put fort● Paper in defence of my self Entituled A Word to the Wise is ●●ough which I have here Inserted for the Information of such that might not see the Paper alone Since this the Quakers put forth Book against me which is That that I have Answer'd in the ensuing Sheets And thus Reader I 'le assure thee thou hast a true Narrative of the Quakers Proceedings against me which have been so irr● gular boistrous and uncivil that I never knew the like all my days an● could not have believ'd it unless I my self had experienced it and 〈◊〉 withal think that never any one was more troubled with them as m●self during the time and considering all other circumstances I do further declare that the malice of these Men is so much again●● me for I know not what that I fear to go any where by my self th●● have so dogg'd me and follow●d me into all Places and I am but 〈◊〉 young Man newly Arriv'd to the one and twentieth year of my Age and what should be the reason of their so assaulting me as they do tru●● I know not I never medled with their opinions i.e. so as others hav● done never uttered any invective speeches against them always till no● had very charitable thoughts especially of him that is now become 〈◊〉 enemy because I Preach the Truth as it is in Jesus and will not co●form to his ways I come now to the Doctrine of Imputation being the thing in deba●● between the Quakers and my self * Mr. Pen cal●s it A Doctrine of Devils Bellarmine himself after many Disputations about Justification doth yet conclude Tutissimum est fiduciam totam in sola Dei misericordia benignitate reponere It is most safe to put all our confidence in the sole mercy and power of God De Justificat l. 5. c. 7. and that which by them as be●● bran●ed with all the ignominious Epithites and Appellations that th●● could give unto it yet a doctrine so fundamental that I would 〈◊〉 for a world but that I did confide in and upon it lay the whole stress 〈◊〉 my salvation and would to God that Papist Socinians and Quake●● would come to this before it be too late for how many have strenuou●●● argued against the aforesaid doctrine that in the approach of de●●● have chang'd their opinion about it Now denying or gain-saying 〈◊〉 this being an errour of pernicious consequence I shall here consider 〈◊〉 according to my poor abilities This Doctrine of Imputation as I humbly conceive includes a●● signifies two things 1. Our sins reckoned Christs 2. Christs Rig●●teousness reckoned ours That which I shall principally manage is the former viz. Our sins reckoned Christs And that I may briefly and clearly speak to this because 't is for the unknowing in this Point th●● I design this Disoourse take me as followeth and I hope 't is a●cording to Scripture and the Sentiments of the Pious in all Ages That our Lord Jesus did undergo punishment we have a full rel●●●●● ●● thereof in the History of his Life and Death all that I shall ●● in the Defence of this great Truth is this Either Christ died ●ly or unjustly I mean God the Father in punishing his Son Act●● therein either justly or unjustly unjustly who dares to assert justly ●o dares to deny and if God inflicted punishment on his Son just●● then of necessity his Sonmust be a peccant Person one way or other i.e. sinner If he was a sinner it must be either inherently or imputively inherently he was not imputatively he was or else he could it have undergone punishment Christ was accounted a sinner by ticked men but this is not all he was accounted also a sinner by his Fa●●er or else his Father would not have dealt so severely with him as he ●●id why did such a Father deal with such a Son what was the cause ●●at a Person so innocent should suffer as he did Secondly 't was 〈◊〉 not his but ours had it not been for this God had never sent his ●●n in Flesh and then have punished him in that Flesh as he did Christ might thank Sin for all his sufferings and lay all the evils which ●sustained in soul and body at its doors Sin set his Father against him Sin laid the Foundation of all his sorrows Sin brew'd that bitter ●up which he was to drink Sin was the meritorious cause of all the siseries that befel him 1 Pet. 3.18 For Christ also hath once effered for sins so that Christ died not only for an example but for ●ns and that either for his own or for others not for his own I say gain and again which maintains the Purity of our Saviour but for ●hers which doth not impeach his Purity Christ was a Sinner by ●uputation and reputation the latter of which the Quakers will grant ●ut the former they deny both of which Divines do assert viz. Christ the greatest
more passages were it not for wasting of good Pap●● might I transcribe out of that hellish Book I beseech you who 〈◊〉 Parents to get other kind of Catechism's for your children for 〈◊〉 principles contain'd in G. F's Catechism are principles that the Devil of hell hath hatch'd ergo They are Soul-damning For a further confirmation of my assertion I would desire 〈◊〉 Reader to see Mr. Faldo's Key which will interpret many of 〈◊〉 Quakers Words and Phrases as followeth Publicans and sinners i. e. All that are not Quakers The Royal Seed i. e. Christ and every Quaker Sons of God i. e. The Quakers only The Synagogues of Satan i. e. The Assemblies of any sort of people for divine worship who are not Quakers Cummultis aliis For a perfect confirmation of my assertion viz. That the Quaker do hold that all who dye not in belief of their principles shall damn'd See in this ensuing Relation which I shall stand by Once a Maiden Acquaintance of mine was courted by a zealot Quaker who during the time he was Suitor had prevailed with her to go with him to hear his Friends S i. Quakers and that once or twice at last he demandeth of her how she lik'd them she answered worse and worse which occasion'd him to break off from her and withal to say that if she heard any other she would certainly be damn'd I know not any thing else in his fictitious discourse that requires answer I have consider'd every thing that I judgd Material as to his opprobrious term●s scatter'd in his Book viz. Minister of the Power of Darkness Enemy to God c. I look upon as below my self to take notice of and if so be I am accounted a Blasphemer by such who are the greatest Blasphemers in the World I shall rejoice knowing that it is one Note and Character of false Prophets to cast dirt filth and Reproach upon the true In the Postscript of my Adversaries book I find him to be offended at such expressions in my prayer as I believe will record his heterodoxy to pesterity and spoile him I am sure for a Gospel Minister notwithstanding his crowing Divinity of late our best duties are Fly blown with sin and best performances are Bed ridden These words It seems do stumble the Quakers much its no marvel because they hold perfection to be attainable but let these imaginary Perfectonists boast as they please we know that such who are Christians understand these Phrases well unto whom they are so acceptable that I need not enlarge any further As to the other Expression We must have no dependency upon Christ within I say so still i. e. As the Quakers understand it and do say that our hopes of Salvation must hang and depend upon what Christ God-man without hath done without us I do find also that my Adversary has lin'd his book with many excellent Texts of Scripture unto which I shall only say this A poifonous Pill is never a whit the less poisonous because 't is guilded over with Gold nor a Wolf is never a whit the less a Wolf because he hath put on a Sheep-skin nor the Devil is never a whit the less a Devil because he somtimes appears like an Angel of Light So neither is John Vaughtons Book any whit the less an Erroneous book because of Scriptural Phrases and Sentences I come now to the Conclusion of my Adversarys Book which you have in these words Let Thomas Powel and all others to whom these Lines may come know that our Owning and Preaching Christ within a the holy Apostles did doth not at all gainsay or oppos Christ as he was Manifest without in the dayes of his Flesh for we have a Dear and Honourable Esteem unto our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in all his manifestations both within and without and he who professeth and talks of him only or wholly without denying him any place within Man is a Deceiver and an Anti-Christ Unto which I answer briefly I confess the words as they lye in themselves are good but notwithstanding this fairness I smell a Quakers Rat in it and do avouch that what they say concerning Christ without is a meer Equivocation in short by Christ without they mean only this Christ in you without me This my ingenious Reader is all they mean by Christ without and should they deny this they must be fain then to deny what they have said in other of their books So by this you may see by what means the Quakers do entangle poor silly souls viz. By a seeming approbation of every principle pertaining to the Christian Religion The Conclusion wherein is contained in brief Seasonable Soul-Affectionate and good advice unto the principal Leaders of the Quakers or any that are promoters of Fundamental errours Sirs You are the most injurious of that because by owning of errours you prejudice your selves and by propagating of errours you prejudice others Oh the precious time strength and spirits that you spend in advancing that which you shall be no gainers but losers by you are the greatest Engineers that the Devil hath for persecution and heresie has been the main Engins whereby that Prince of Darkness hath endeavor'd to undermine Religion Persecuters touch the body but such that are Fementem of heresie touch the soul Persecution with Saul kills its thousands but heresie with David its ten thousands Persecution is the arrow that flies by day but Heresie is the Pestilence that rageth in the night Persecution is the Pruning-knife that loppeth off the Branches of Religion but Heresie is as the Axe which is laid to the Root of the Tree Persecution is the Dragon that drives the Woman into the Wilderness but Heresie is the B●ast that speaks Blasphemy Persecution began in Nero a Tyrant but Heresie began in Simon a Witch Persecution began about 66 years after Christs Ascention but Heresie immediately after Christs departure about the Sixth year of Caligulas Reign Persecution is the wild Boar of the Forest Heresie is the little Fox that eateth the tender Grapes Oh ye fals teachers speak nor write any more that which is erroneous can't you be content with deceiving your own souls but you must deceive others too O profligate flagitious Wretches that must embrue your hands in the blood of souls that you can't go to hell alone but you must have company with you that you must put a Cheat not only upon your selves but upon others If ever you are saved it must be by fire Spair your pains cost and charges make much of time ere long it will be no more spend no more of it in erroneous Excogitation Acknowledge your selves lying Prophets confess your faults and errors God is Faithful and Just to forgive and cleanse from all unrighteousness Call home your Devilish Pamphlets and Books Rec●● what you have written and said Now you may and you shall do well ere long you must but then it shall go ill Besides Not only dammage of soul accrues by such kind of service but also the thing aim'd at shall never come to pass Veritas vincit Truth at last will Triumph it shall never be wholly Eclipsed and therefore all your attempts O ye Promulgators of Errour will be but vain I trust in God that truth will never go out of this Land notwithstanding the specious pretence of truths Enemyes though their books are publish'd abroad having fair Titles in their Frontispieces promising fair I say in their Title pages yet some piercing eyes there are that with facility perceiveth the Croaking Toads and crawling vipers that swarms therein and causeth them immediately to die the death Oh that the consideration of the vileness of the service hurt of the soul and impossibility of effecting what in error is designed might prevail upon these poor men to proceed no further for though they are the Leaders of a great many to hell Yet they will be as unable to bear the heat of hell as others Men and Brethren according to the Flesh weigh these things seriously and then tell me whether hitherto ye have not been the servants of the Devil and your own humours That all our infamous hererodox teachers may become famous orthodox teachers hath been Is and shall be the earnest Prayers of him who is an earnest well-wisher to all your souls THO. POWEL POSTSCRIPT IF so be any of my Adversaries shall return an Answer hereunto though I know not unto what I have been so faithful in what I have written yet if they do I expect and also every Judicious Reader that in the first place they clear themselves of those notorious Lies and Forgeries that I have charg'd them with or else manifest repentance for the same in making confession thereof unto the world and then I presume we shall be satisfied If they say any thing in the defence of their Principles I expect that it be pertinent and then I shall do according as God may direct If impertinent as they use to do any competent Judge will then discern what a ridiculous Sect the Quakers are and the badness of such a cause that is fain to be supported either by nothing at all said in the defence thereof or if any thing is said it is in pertinent irrational and absurd In the mean time I leave this to their consideration advising them to take heed what they do For Mr. Hicks in my Presence and the Presence of several others at my Meeting in the Countrey offered to prove their Religion a Cheat and moreover hath promised me to do it at any time with any one Person that they shall Assign Tho. Powell What Occasion there has been for my Name in this Book I Approve Thomas Bye FINIS