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same_o he_o be_v crucify_v touch_v his_o infirmity_n but_o live_v by_o the_o power_n of_o god_n his_o infirmity_n the_o text_n here_o name_v metonimical_o understand_v in_o christ_n that_o in_o which_o his_o infirmity_n be_v now_o his_o soul_n have_v infirmity_n of_o suffer_v in_o it_o as_o well_o as_o his_o body_n therefore_o his_o soul_n also_o be_v understand_v here_o that_o it_o be_v crucify_a and_o dye_v that_o be_v according_a to_o the_o condition_n thereof_o as_o likewise_o his_o body_n according_a to_o the_o condition_n thereof_o and_o thus_o that_o which_o paul_n call_v infirmity_n peter_n call_v flesh_n and_o that_o which_o paul_n call_v the_o power_n of_o god_n peter_n call_v the_o spirit_n that_o be_v his_o deity_n be_v set_v opposit_o in_o both_o these_o place_n to_o his_o whole_a humanity_n even_o to_o body_n and_o soul_n 4.13_o aug._n the_o 4.13_o to_o which_o purpose_n that_o place_n also_o to_o the_o rom._n the_o rom._n roman_n do_v serve_v where_o the_o like_a 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pag._n 7._o terâul_a scout_v prax._n ambiguity_n in_o luc._n 2._o de_fw-fr trist_n âolor_n etc._n etc._n and_o from_o which_o we_o be_v save_v all_o the_o same_o he_o taste_v and_o suffer_v for_o us._n thus_o it_o be_v also_o that_o cyrill_n elsewhere_o say_v c_o omnia_fw-la perpessus_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la nos_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la liberaret_fw-la he_o suffer_v all_o thing_n thorough_o that_o he_o may_v acquit_v we_o from_o all_o which_o else_o we_o shall_v have_v suffer_v and_o thus_o i_o take_v barnard_n meaning_n to_o be_v d_o he_o spare_v not_o himself_o who_o know_v how_o to_o spare_v he_o whereupon_o you_o collect_v well_o if_o you_o mean_v so_o e_fw-it he_o suffer_v and_o endure_v all_o to_o the_o uttermost_a with_o exact_a obedience_n and_o patience_n to_o which_o end_n tertullian_n also_o f_z sic_fw-la reliquit_fw-la dum_fw-la non_fw-la parcit_fw-la this_o be_v god_n forsake_v of_o he_o in_o his_o passion_n that_o in_o nothing_o he_o spare_v he_o and_o thus_o 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that_o in_o due_a place_n hereafter_o now_o here_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o even_o the_o father_n of_o who_o you_o do_v so_o exceed_o boast_v be_v clean_o against_o you_o and_o for_o we_o in_o the_o 1._o and_o chief_a point_n of_o this_o question_n show_v that_o christ_n suffer_v not_o only_o bodily_a or_o in_o the_o soul_n by_o symphaty_n only_o but_o in_o the_o mind_n also_o distinct_o even_o as_o we_o may_v suffer_v in_o mind_n distinct_o from_o our_o bodily_a suffering_n that_o be_v when_o we_o suffer_v somewhat_o 4._o somewhat_o as_o i_o ãâã_d treat_n ãâã_d pag._n 4._o immediate_o from_o god_n yea_o he_o suffer_v say_v these_o father_n all_o the_o pain_n which_o else_o we_o shall_v have_v suffer_v no_o material_a thing_n except_v but_o only_a sin_n otherwise_o he_o be_v spare_v by_o dispensation_n in_o nothing_o against_o this_o clear_a and_o plain_a sense_n of_o the_o father_n 35â_n father_n pa._n 35â_n you_o take_v no_o exception_n neither_o can_v you_o thus_o have_v 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will_v disprove_v 19_o disprove_v treat_n ââ_o pag._n 19_o my_o proposition_n which_o be_v whereby_o adam_n first_o sin_v by_o the_o same_o christ_n satisfy_v for_o sin_n you_o deny_v this_o because_o the_o scripture_n acknowledge_v no_o satisfaction_n but_o by_o death_n where_o still_o we_o must_v note_v that_o you_o mean_v only_o by_o the_o bodily_a death_n now_o how_o prove_v you_o that_o because_o the_o judge_n in_o prohibit_v adam_n to_o transgress_v threaten_a death_n 2._o death_n ocn._n 2._o in_o the_o day_n that_o thou_o cate_a thereof_o thou_o shall_v die_v the_o death_n which_o it_o seem_v 64._o seem_v pa._n 100_o 64._o you_o avouch_v again_o and_o again_o and_o be_v you_o sure_o that_o death_n here_o be_v but_o the_o bodily_a death_n only_o &_o no_o more_o then_o sure_o the_o wicked_a shall_v satisfy_v easy_o for_o their_o sin_n far_o be_v it_o from_o i_o to_o utter_v such_o a_o sentence_n nevertheless_o you_o must_v give_v i_o leave_v to_o show_v you_o also_o your_o 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and_o nothing_o may_v satisfy_v for_o sin_n but_o death_n etc._n pag._n 85_o 86_o 8._o etc._n etc._n yea_o all_o your_o f_z other_o place_n of_o contradiction_n hereunto_o must_v be_v take_v in_o good_a part_n as_o for_o your_o reason_n that_o nothing_o may_v satisfy_v for_o sin_n but_o death_n it_o be_v not_o sound_a the_o scripture_n do_v show_v in_o deed_n that_o christ_n shall_v not_o satisfy_v without_o death_n but_o they_o deny_v not_o that_o there_o be_v other_o part_n of_o christ_n satisfaction_n which_o differ_v from_o death_n as_o his_o bloodshed_n and_o beside_o that_o christ_n poverty_n his_o hunger_n his_o weariness_n his_o shame_n his_o reproach_n his_o apprehension_n his_o buffet_n etc._n etc._n these_o doubtless_o yea_o all_o other_o suffringe_n of_o christ_n whatsoever_o small_a or_o great_a be_v satisfactory_a &_o meritorious_a you_o will_v say_v you_o understand_v all_o these_o and_o such_o like_a in_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n you_o may_v understand_v what_o you_o 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christian_a though_o a_o long_a while_n be_v a_o pharisee_n he_o know_v it_o not_o and_o it_o seem_v this_o be_v in_o christ_n time_n the_o heresy_n of_o the_o pharisee_n against_o who_o he_o show_v that_o not_o only_o the_o outward_a fact_n of_o bodily_a sin_n be_v sin_n but_o also_o 5.22.28_o also_o âat_a 5.22.28_o even_o the_o very_a thought_n and_o like_n towards_o sin_n wherefore_o adam_n be_v as_o well_o forbid_v to_o desire_n or_o like_v that_o fruit_n as_o to_o eat_v it_o which_o you_o deny_v the_o commandment_n be_v natural_o engrave_v in_o adam_n heart_n in_o his_o creation_n which_o since_o moses_n make_v distinct_a and_o diverse_a from_o all_o the_o rest_n which_o concern_v the_o outward_a act_n therefore_o distinct_o he_o say_v thou_o shall_v not_o desire_v or_o covet_v so_o that_o to_o desire_v the_o forbid_a
but_o neither_o shame_n nor_o death_n to_o the_o holy_a martyr_n be_v d_o account_v by_o god_n nor_o by_o his_o servant_n as_o proper_a and_o true_a curse_n 50._o before_o pag._n 9_o 50._o but_o the_o holy_a man_n be_v in_o truth_n most_o glorious_a and_o bless_a in_o they_o again_o the_o saint_n and_o martyr_n can_v not_o be_v proper_o curse_v and_o proper_o bless_v too_o in_o any_o measure_n neither_o their_o soul_n bless_v unless_o their_o body_n be_v bless_v also_o &_o free_a from_o the_o true_a curse_n although_o you_o seem_v to_o deny_v this_o point_n which_o strange_a and_o uncouth_a assertion_n both_o here_o and_o in_o many_o place_n mo_z you_o do_v at_o lest_o insinuat_fw-la that_o be_v that_o the_o godly_a in_o their_o soul_n be_v bless_v but_o in_o their_o body_n they_o still_o retain_v god_n true_a &_o proper_a curse_n till_o the_o resurrection_n which_o i_o leave_v to_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o godly_a you_o say_v we_o must_v call_v thing_n by_o those_o name_n which_o god_n first_o allot_v they_o that_o i_o deny_v if_o god_n since_o evident_o have_v alter_v they_o and_o dispose_v of_o they_o otherwise_o but_o he_o have_v so_o do_v in_o this_o case_n the_o affliction_n and_o death_n which_o original_o and_o natural_o be_v punishment_n for_o sin_n and_o be_v so_o still_o to_o the_o wicked_a the_o same_o to_o the_o godly_a as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v be_v since_o change_v &_o now_o be_v proper_o chastisement_n of_o sin_n and_o not_o punishment_n nor_o curse_n only_o christ_n have_v suffer_v the_o whole_a proper_a punishment_n and_o true_a curse_n or_o vengeance_n of_o our_o sin_n and_o therefore_o on_o we_o it_o be_v not_o it_o can_v not_o be_v lay_v again_o in_o any_o part_n thereof_o you_o 96._o you_o pag._n 96._o avouch_v some_o that_o deny_v christ_n to_o have_v be_v make_v a_o curse_n or_o sin_n but_o you_o must_v remember_v 92._o remember_v pag._n 92._o your_o own_o place_n of_o austin_n maledictum_fw-la est_fw-la omne_fw-la 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such_o therefore_o be_v christ_n curse_n which_o he_o suâlayned_v to_o conclude_v then_o his_o affliction_n and_o death_n be_v neither_o wage_n nor_o chastisement_n nor_o curse_n nor_o consequent_a of_o any_o sin_n in_o he_o yet_o as_o god_n make_v he_o sin_n for_o we_o so_o he_o true_o proper_o and_o in_o very_a deed_n lay_v the_o pain_n of_o his_o curse_n upon_o his_o body_n and_o soul_n which_o curse_n of_o god_n upon_o christ_n as_o you_o 26_o you_o pag_n 26_o say_v true_o be_v not_o in_o word_n but_o in_o deed_n wherefore_o my_o word_n 2d_o word_n pag._n 2d_o you_o open_o pervert_v affirm_v that_o i_o say_v death_n here_o that_o be_v christ_n death_n note_v galat._n 3.13_o âay_n in_o no_o sort_n be_v call_v a_o curse_n when_o i_o express_o even_o there_o and_o every_o where_o do_v say_v the_o contrary_n 263._o pag._n 263._o but_o a_o your_o great_a exception_n be_v that_o this_o curse_v lay_v on_o christ_n can_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o whole_a curse_n of_o god_n or_o of_o the_o law_n 264._o pag._n 264._o and_o therefore_o b_o you_o spare_v i_o not_o for_o c_o saying_n that_o paul_n here_o in_o his_o application_n out_o of_o moses_n name_v a_o part_n of_o the_o just_a curse_n of_o the_o law_n for_o sin_n 40._o treat_n 1._o pag._n 40._o thereby_o mean_v and_o infer_v to_o his_o purpose_n the_o whole_a where_o you_o must_v be_v so_o good_a as_o to_o understand_v i_o by_o my_o own_o word_n in_o other_o place_n 290._o pag_n 290._o for_o thus_o do_v you_o know_v e_o i_o limit_v my_o speech_n else_o where_o as_o touch_v the_o vehemency_n of_o pain_n christ_n be_v as_o sharp_o touch_v as_o the_o very_a reprobat_n 81._o treat_n 1._o pag_n 81._o and_o christ_n suffering_n be_v equal_a to_o the_o very_a hellish_a torment_n in_o vehemency_n of_o pain_n and_o sharpness_n again_o f_o this_o price_n equal_o in_o justice_n must_v be_v keep_v so_o far_o as_o it_o be_v possible_a 26._o pag._n 26._o and_o 37._o and_o pag._n 37._o because_o there_o be_v no_o impossibility_n no_o necessity_n no_o reason_n but_o he_o may_v feel_v the_o full_a smart_n of_o our_o sin_n as_o there_o be_v that_o he_o shall_v not_o feel_v the_o full_a continuance_n thereof_o and_o see_v god_n strict_a justice_n require_v it_o to_o be_v so_o therefore_o it_o be_v so_o he_o suffer_v all_o the_o smart_n but_o not_o all_o the_o continuance_n of_o our_o punishment_n 13_o â_o also_o pa._n 23._o heeâe_n pa._n 13_o thus_o then_o plain_o h_o i_o signify_v i_o those_o 3_o limitation_n which_o now_o be_v express_v that_o christ_n suffer_v our_o whole_a curse_n only_o so_o far_o as_o the_o possibility_n of_o thing_n can_v admit_v wherein_o nothing_o be_v dispense_v nor_o pardon_v to_o he_o for_o there_o be_v no_o cause_n as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v which_o doctrine_n how_o unworthy_a it_o be_v of_o your_o strange_a contempt_n and_o outcry_n against_o i_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o the_o godly_a wise_a to_o consider_v catechis_n nowell_n catechis_n only_o mark_v if_o our_o k_n public_a doctrine_n be_v not_o the_o same_o vltima_fw-la omne_fw-la pati_fw-la voluir_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la qui_fw-la ultima_fw-la omne_fw-la commeriti_fw-la sumus_fw-la diram_fw-la execrationem_fw-la suscepit_fw-la contumelias_fw-la etiam_fw-la omnes_fw-la omne_fw-la probra_fw-la atque_fw-la supplicia_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o you_o will_v say_v thus_o we_o make_v it_o not_o the_o whole_a curse_n of_o the_o law_n yes_o we_o call_v it_o right_o the_o whole_a curse_n for_o as_o much_o as_o christ_n suffer_v it_o in_o his_o whole_a manhood_n 52_o see_v before_o pag_n 8._o 1._o the._n 5.28_o â_o pa._n 48._o 52_o even_o in_o l_o all_o the_o power_n of_o his_o m_o spirit_n &_o soul_n &_o body_n where_o that_o curse_n in_o deutero_fw-la be_v a_o part_n be_v suffer_v only_o in_o the_o body_n quicken_v by_o the_o soul_n also_o in_o other_o respect_n this_o suffering_n of_o christ_n may_v be_v well_o call_v the_o whole_a curse_n or_o punishment_n of_o sin_n 280_o pag._n 11_o 12._o ânâ_n 16.17_o pa._n 27â_n 280_o as_o n_o before_o be_v declare_v after_o this_o o_o you_o think_v it_o strange_a that_o i_o say_v christ_n suffer_v &_o die_v just_o and_o be_v hang_v on_o the_o tree_n by_o the_o just_a sentence_n of_o the_o law_n &_o that_o so_o he_o be_v by_o imputation_n of_o our_o state_n and_o condition_n unto_o he_o sinful_a 51.11_o ãâã_d before_o ãâã_d 51.11_o defile_v hateful_a and_o accurse_a all_o the_o which_o i_o avouch_v because_o he_o undertake_v by_o god_n ordinance_n as_o our_o surety_n to_o receive_v our_o whole_a condemnation_n upon_o himself_o so_o far_o as_o his_o own_o nature_n and_o condition_n can_v possible_o admit_v just_o christ_n suffeâ_n just_o to_o the_o end_n that_o he_o may_v whole_o acquit_v us._n in_o regard_n whereof_o i_o ask_v be_v it_o wrong_n for_o the_o law_n to_o lay_v the_o penalty_n on_o the_o surety_n when_o the_o debtor_n can_v not_o discharge_v it_o against_o this_o my_o assertion_n you_o say_v 27â_n say_v pag._n 27â_n by_o no_o sentence_n of_o the_o law_n he_o hang_v on_o a_o tree_n and_o a_o reason_n you_o give_v 273_o give_v pag._n 273_o because_o to_o be_v hang_v on_o a_o tree_n be_v no_o necessary_a part_n of_o the_o general_a curse_n of_o god_n upon_o all_o sinner_n i_o answer_v to_o die_v for_o sin_n be_v a_o necessary_a part_n of_o the_o general_a curse_n upon_o all_o sinner_n what_o say_v you_o then_o to_o his_o death_n do_v he_o die_v just_o sure_o if_o christ_n die_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n justice_n than_o he_o die_v just_o if_o he_o die_v not_o by_o god_n justice_n than_o woe_n and_o thrice_o wo_n to_o us._n for_o it_o can_v be_v but_o god_n justice_n 66._o justice_n luc._n 16.1_o deut._n 10.1_o rom._n 8.32_o see_v before_o pag._n 66._o must_v
be_v execute_v it_o can_v be_v make_v void_a so_o that_o if_o christ_n in_o god_n proper_a justice_n die_v not_o for_o we_o then_o in_o his_o justice_n without_o mercy_n we_o must_v and_o shall_v die_v which_o god_n forbid_v but_o christ_n therefore_o indeed_o suffer_v &_o die_v most_o just_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n strict_a justice_n in_o all_o point_v possible_a yet_o you_o say_v his_o hang_n on_o a_o tree_n be_v no_o necessary_a part_n of_o the_o general_a curse_n of_o god_n upon_o all_o sinner_n what_o if_o that_o be_v no_o necessary_a part_n of_o the_o general_a curse_n it_o be_v nevertheless_o just_a from_o god_n upon_o he_o aswell_o as_o his_o death_n no_o particular_a punishment_n be_v necessary_a but_o accidental_a in_o their_o own_o nature_n the_o general_a curse_n 1â_n curse_n gen._n 2_o 1â_n thou_o shall_v die_v the_o death_n comprehend_v they_o all_o not_o as_o necessary_a but_o as_o accidental_a part_n yet_o wheresoever_o by_o god_n providence_n they_o happen_v they_o be_v just_a punishment_n no_o less_o than_o the_o general_n curse_n and_o thus_o christ_n answer_v for_o sin_n not_o only_o dye_v general_o but_o also_o be_v hang_v on_o the_o tree_n particular_o by_o the_o just_a sentence_n of_o the_o law_n still_o i_o mean_v just_o in_o respect_n of_o god_n alone_o for_o man_n use_v mere_a violence_n wrong_a and_o no_o law_n towards_o he_o for_o they_o persecute_v he_o as_o a_o malefactor_n as_o they_o say_v yet_o indeed_o he_o be_v in_o himself_o altogether_o faultless_a and_o without_o blame_n you_o seem_v to_o mislike_v that_o christ_n shall_v suffer_v just_o because_o he_o suffer_v willing_o for_o us._n which_o hinder_v not_o at_o all_o for_o the_o voluntary_a surety_n bear_v his_o penalty_n just_o when_o he_o sustain_v that_o which_o the_o debtor_n by_o law_n shall_v sustain_v you_o say_v 27â_n say_v pag._n 27â_n no_o law_n you_o be_v sure_a not_o god_n law_n allow_v that_o when_o a_o murderer_n or_o such_o like_a offendor_n transgress_v he_o shall_v be_v spare_v and_o a_o other_o that_o be_v willing_a hang_v in_o his_o steed_n and_o therefore_o you_o mislike_v the_o similitude_n of_o a_o surety_n in_o the_o work_n of_o christ_n redemption_n i_o answer_v in_o god_n law_n that_o be_v not_o true_a which_o you_o say_v understanding_n here_o by_o god_n reveal_v will_n and_o his_o most_o holy_a and_o gracious_a ordinance_n for_o us._n though_o indeed_o this_o be_v not_o his_o law_n proper_o but_o his_o gospel_n &_o the_o most_o bless_a glad_a tiding_n of_o peace_n and_o health_n to_o our_o soul_n now_o by_o this_o law_n of_o god_n i_o be_o sure_a that_o murderer_n adulterer_n thief_n and_o worse_o than_o these_o be_v spare_v in_o god_n presence_n and_o a_o other_o that_o be_v their_o most_o willing_a surety_n execute_v by_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n in_o their_o steed_n 280._o pag._n 280._o but_o a_o no_o similitude_n can_v prove_v christ_n in_o take_v ouâ_n person_n on_o he_o to_o be_v sinful_a defile_v hateful_a and_o accurse_a i_o deny_v this_o say_n utter_o b_o how_o can_v he_o be_v by_o god_n proper_o and_o true_o punish_v and_o curse_v for_o sin_n 18.25_o fâee_v 18.20_o gen._n 18.25_o but_o that_o he_o be_v sinful_a and_o hateful_a and_o it_o be_v write_v c_o god_n send_v his_o son_n in_o the_o likeness_n and_o form_n of_o sinful_a flesh_n for_o sin_n bebâsich_a rom_n 8.3_o synac_n bebâsich_a and_o condemn_a sin_n in_o d_o his_o flesh_n in_o which_o likeness_n he_o stand_v before_o god_n indeed_o before_o the_o world_n he_o be_v repute_v so_o 5.21_o 2._o cor._n 5.21_o but_o false_o and_o e_o god_n make_v he_o sin_n for_o we_o that_o we_o may_v be_v make_v the_o righteousness_n of_o god_n in_o he_o as_o also_o he_o be_v make_v f_o a_o curse_n for_o us._n 50.51_o gal_n 3.13_o though_o you_o ây_a nay_o p_o 280_o calv_v in_o gal._n â_o 13_o heb._n 9_o ult._n pag._n 11_o 12._o use_v 50.51_o whereupon_o mr_n calvin_n g_o wary_o enough_o say_v h_z ut_fw-la personam_fw-la nostram_fw-la 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