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A03896 Newes from Rome concerning the blasphemous sacrifice of the papisticall Masse with dyuers other treatises very godlye [et] profitable. Hurlestone, Randall. aut 1550 (1550) STC 14006; ESTC S104348 30,125 110

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not tel what reuenewes of my father V. Yf you wil be free from suche bordens couer your pate with a coule P. What in an earneste matter mocke you your old scholer and frende My question to you is of libertie V. Of libertie then what hath libertie to doo with those reuenewes that you paye to munckes it is more precious then which ought to be mingled with those thynges which are brickel and endure but for a tyme. P. Then if I be not frewhie teach preach you libertie on that maner must we so be deceiued V. You take libertie other wise then it is taught by vs / for they that be free are not fre on the sort in the Christentie that euery thynge is laufull that they wyll but a christian rather takith libertie so that he being deliuered from sinne and the curse of the lawe remembrith now that he is become euery mans seruante P. What maye I be a seruant both a free man it is not lyke in so m●…e that the word meanith some other thynge farre from that V. We use not to speake of that libertie wherby the people thynke it is lawful to doo euel and to be disobediēt it is an other maner of thing as I sayed afore to be free in the christian pael P. Then howe vsed the olde men thys worde libertie Were not the cyties of Grecia called free because they were free frō kynges exactions V. Be it they were as free as coulde be from kynges exactions yet they lyued after theyr owne lawes as at this presēt many cities are caused soo not be cause it is lawefull to doo in them what euery man wil but because they lyue vnder ther owne lawes / nowe to whom I pray you doo the lawes permitte to do euery thynge but go to let vs se how Tully vsed this word what is libertie sayth he / power to lyue as thou wylte Then who lyueth as he wyll but he that foloweth good thynges whiche is glad to do his dutie whiche hathe consydered and prouyded how to lyue whiche obeyeth the lawes not for feare but fulfylleth and kepeth them because he iudgeth that to be moste profitable Adde hyther that of Socrates who beynge asked whether he had goten any profyte of the studie of Philosophie answered that I may know how to be free menynge from euyll de syers whō a good mynd must not serue P. Your sayenge comith to this end to make me bond free although ther be not so greate distaunce betwene heauē yearth as ther is betwenene fredom and bondage V. I knowe that emonge the Romanes the state of a fre mā and a bond man were diuerse but we speake of thes thynges christenly with whome they be so conioyned that they can not be separated P. you plainly make me to doubte howe thes can be true / first of all declare wherin Christian libertie consistith V. Libertie amonge christian men is nothing els then to be deliuered from sinne from the curse of the lawe from death from Satan and from hel and that trely for christis sake P. Here is not one word concerneng exactions V. Not one for this fredom is the fredō of the sprite cōscience and can not be wrested to ciuil exactions / in so moch that if it be wrested thither it can not be called libertie And thynke you it but a trifle to be fre from the accusement of sinne and cōdemnemēt of the lawe I verely can not tell whether a greater libertie can come to any man as the which maketh vs lordes of all thynges for Christis sake Nowhat shulde it profite vs to be free from certaine burdens for a tyme if we shuld cōtinuewe the seruauntes of vnrightuousnes Nether the comon sayeinge is folishe altogether he is noughtily made fre on whom the 〈◊〉 hath power P. yet I heard a certaine mā affirminge in a pul●●● as well the outwarde libertie as the libertie of the conscience 〈◊〉 that I maye saye nothing of that which I haue hard in the open lectours V. That diuision well handeled and vnderstode aright hathe no danger But here you muste take hede leste whiles we teach a certaine outward kind of libertie you gyue occasion for the fleshe to sinne / 〈…〉 for the Apostle sayed not without acause brethren you be cauled to libertie / so that you gyue not your libertie an occasiō vnto the flesh P. Whie then put you not a difference betwene both the kindes of libertie V. We touched euē now the inward and spiritual and the scripture for the mooste parte speakith of that / as often as it makith mention of libertie / hither perteinith that in Iohn / if the sone shal delyuer you Iohn 8. ye be free in dede and the trueth shall delyuer you / ther was a cōtention betwene Christe and the Iewes the Iewes dreaming of a certaine corporall libertie and Christ caulyng them by al wayes to an inwarde and a spiritual as the which consistith in the forgyuenes of sinnes in the giuyng of the holy goost in the exchaunge of liuyng finally in the fulfilling of the cōmandmentes willyngly Vpō thys Paule sayth also wher the spirite of the lorde is ther is libertie / the Apostle grantith that there is a certaine libertie but of the spirite of the heart of the conscience and which can be taken by no meanes for the deliueryng from ciuile burdens P. And yet you cōfessed a certaine kinde of outward libertie V. I denie it not P. wher in cōsistith that same V. That we maye knowe that we are deliuered from the parte of the lawe which cōteineth the Iewesh ceremonies and iudgementes / for so we be fre that ther it is permitted vs to vse other ceremonies especially such as be not agaynst the gospel also other lawes after that god alowed the Gentiles sworde P. What are we not deliuered from all the lawe Gala. 4. whie saith Paule after that the fulnes of the tyme came god sent his sone made of a woman made vnder the lawe that he might redeme them wihch were vnder the lawe I thynke he speakith here ingenerally of al the law V. Concerning our iustification we be deliuered from all the lawe euen from the .x. commaundemēts as which threatē moost of al damnation onles they be kepte / for iustification comith not by fulfillyng of the .x. commaundmentes but of goddes mere ientlenes whiche he gaue to the worlde by Christe And as farre as we laye hold by faith vpon that goodnes so farre we be iustified / but cōcernyng obediēce we be so deliuered from the .x. commaundementes that if thei be not kepte we can not be cauled christians Mat. 19. as Christe sayeth also if thou wilt goo to life kepe the commaundementes / yet here there is one affection of the good man an other of the hipocrite / thei which are good men in dede doo willyngly freely merely finally for no fear of punishmēt that which
of the Masse meaned the sacrifice of thankes giuinge there wolde be lesse contencion But be cause they prate most folyshly defynynge the Masse to be a purgynge sacrifice which beyng dayly offred for the quicke and the deed taketh and putteth awaye not onely all veniall but also mortall synnes and so forthe Luther not without a cause defendeth the dignitie of the mercifull sacrifice agaynst these asses and the sacrifice of thankes gyuynge is admitted onely in to the supper of the lorde the whiche by vs maye be offred vp to God Poli. This treasure whiche is gyuen in the supper to them that beleue is suche so great that there is nothynge in the worlde so precious whiche maye in any wyse be conferred with it for it is no small thynge to be delyuered from synne to be accōpted iust before God yea and to be rewarded with eternall lyfe and that frely for Christes sake Then seynge it is so in my iudgement it is naughtely done yf we lykewyse do declare no kyndnes towardes so merciful a God in praysynge honorynge and gyuynge hym thankes continually for so great benefites for this the sacrifice of thankes gyuynge as I thynke meaneth Mith. Who wyll denye that seinge we haue in that thynge the manyfest commaunde mente of God And euen the holy goost also vseth to moue suche as beleue to the same Psal 49. Offre vp to God sayth the psalme a sacrifice of prayce perfourme thy vowes to the hyghest And in the thyrde chapter of Malachie it is sayd he wyll purge the sonnes of Leui wyll purifie them as golde or syluer and they shall offre vnto the lorde sacrifices in tyghtuousnes and the sacrifice of Iuda shall please the lorde so forth There is no doubte but that these must be vnderstode of Messias tyme wherfore this place contayneth bothe the sacrifices of the newe testamente It must be taken of the purgynge sacrifice wherin he geueth him selfe to vs whiche sayth he shall purge the chyldren of Leui and so forth For as we can not be purged from oure synnes but by Christe lykewyse by the same man we are become the sonnes of Leut that is preestes whome he wyll trye as golde or syluer But that must be taken of the sacrifice of thankes gyuynge which sayth they shall offre vnto the lorde in ryghtuousnes for seynge we that beleue are become nowe a kyngly preesthod it is mete that we offre incessauntly vnto the same the sacrifice of thankfulnes for suche a benefite Poli. you playe the phisician nowe in dede not for the body but for the woūdes of the soule for who wold euer haue loked for such exactues in diuiuitie of a phisitiane I heare verely and beleue the same that thes sacrefices of thankes geuynge perteyne equally to all Christians and for all this I thynke they be not all of one sort Mith. They that professe diuinitie no we adayes make two kyndes of workes of suche as byleue whiche maye be taken out of the two tables of the .x. commaundementes Thē what letteth that in thākes gyuynge we maye not make two kindes of sacrifices Poli. No thynge at all Mith. Then let the sacrifices of the fyrst sorte be wher in we declare the kyndnes of our mynde towardes God as truste of mercye feare of God mortyfyenge of the fleshe caulynge vpon God confessynge of the truthe prayse of God and cōtynuall thākes gyuynge for all our benefites eyther spirituall or corporal For this kynde of sacrifices must nedes be a moste pleasaunt sauour to God seynge it pertayneth to the trewe worshyp of God aswell inwardly as outwardly Poli. It is meruayle yf that continuall sacrifice whiche the prophetes prophecied shulde be in the churche conteyne not all these Mith. It is so you muste remembre also that the workes of the second table be as certayne sacrifices whiche partayne to the other parte of the sacrifice of thankes gyuynge Is it not a moost sure token of a thanckeful mynde to obey thy parētes magistrates for his cause which cōmaunded the same to abstayne from adultrie from thefte from robberie from all sortes of false swearyng from false witnessyng and brefely from all suche wherby our neighbour may be hurt Poli. They that be thus mynded towardes theyr neyghbour by the sterynge vp of the holy goost me thynketh do a thynge most acceptable vnto God so moche lacketh it that I accompte not suche workes for sygnes of a thanckefull mynde Mith. And vnfaythfull me can speake very well outwardlye of suche thynges the which thing euen Tullie alone approueth sufficiently and do some thynge in dede as beyng taught by the law of nature that we muste hurte no mā but because what soeuer they do they do it with out fayth they can by this kynde of sacrifice please God no more than they which in tymes past inuented Hecatom be Lupcalia Meditrinalia Nouendialia Fontanalia Penetralia Consualia and a thousande suche other Poli. Hyther I thynke perteyneth that by fayth Abell offred vn to God a more plentuous sacrifice then Cyin Hebre. 11. by which he obtayned wytnes that he was ryghtuous God testifienge of his gyftes by whiche also he beynge deed yet speaketh Mith. After the same sorte our sacrifices shall not please God onles they be seasoned with faythe but whye do I lette you with many wordes These thynges be taught euery daye in the pulpet you by youre selues maye reade inoughe concernyng this mater in bokes whiche be abrode that I nede not to teache you Poli. Thē this is the summe of those thynges that you haue spoken of hytherto This worde sacrifice agreeth not to the supper of the iorde onles it be taken for the remembraunce of the sacrifice ones done or for a thankes gyuynge Mith. The sacrifice whiche purgeth vs was ones fynysshed by Christes death vpon the crosse in somoch that as many as cleaue to hym by faythe shall certaynely obtayne forgyuenes of synnes and euerlastynge lyfe Therfore it can not be done agayne by a sacrificer but the sacrifice of thankes gyuynge pertayneth as well vnto all Christians as that we knowe that God hath gyuen vs innumerable benefites for whome we must thancke hym Therfore we must nedes continually vse this sacrifice Poli. I perceyue you entendynge not from hence forthe to folowe lyghtly a contrarie iudgement Mith. Then farewell and after suche tyme as you applye your mynde to diuinitie se that of agreate talker you become a great praecher Poli. It shal be done The trew worship of God Curio / Alutarius FRom whence come you with this youre Rosarie Aluta Out of S. Blases church Curi What made you there Aluta As thoughe you knowe not what men do there Curi I aske not that with out a cause for I meruayle howe it chaunceth that you had rather be in the churche whiche you haue hated alwayes as poysone thā in the tauerne Aluta Wel what soeuer I haue done is myn owne harme and not yours No the Lutherians haue