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A84808 Saul's errand to Damascus: with his packet of letters from the high-priests, against the disciples of the Lord. Or, A faithful transcript of a petition contrived by some persons in Lancanshire, who call themselves ministers of the gospel, breathing out threatnings and slaughters against a peaceable & godly people there, by them nick-named Quakers. Together with the defence of the persons thereby traduced, against the slanderous and false suggestions of that petition, and other untruths charged upon them. Published to no other end, but to draw out the bowels of tender compassion from all that love the poor despised servants of Jesus Christ, who have been the scorn of carnal men in all ages. Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Lawson, John, of Lancaster. 1653 (1653) Wing F1894; Thomason E689_17; ESTC R206937 30,408 48

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risen from the dead whereof the Apostles were witnesses Here thou shewest thy self to be a witness against the living and shewest thy self to be in the death and no Minister of Christ for the Ministers of Christ justified them which were raised from the dead Eph. 2.1 Even when we were dead in trespasses and sins hath he quickned us together with Christ and hath raised us together and hath made us to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus Rom. 6.10 11. Likewise reckon you also your selves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ for in that he died he died once unto sin in that he lives he lives unto God Here thou shewest thy self to be no Minister of Jesus Christ He that believeth hath passed from death to life because be loveth his brethren here thou shewest thou dost not believe but art in the death and art in envy so thou shewest forth thy self to be Cain and hatest thy brethren We know that we are translated from death unto life because we love our brethren he that loveth not his brother abideth in the death and there thou art Whosoever hateth his brother is a man-slayer and you know that no man-slayer hath eternal life abiding in him 1 Joh. 3. And this is thy condition and here thou art an Antichrist in the world envying those who are raised from the dead and thou seekest to bring them to the death whom God hath raised from the death Thou hast not seen thy self to be the prodigal yet the Scripture saith Luk. 15.24 This my son was dead and is alive againe but thou art without God in the world Object 2. That the day of judgement was past Answ Mat. 12.20 Christ speaks The bruised reed he will not break the smoaking Flax he will not quench till he bring forth judgement into victory Here thou shewest thy self to be ignorant of the Scripture but onely as a hear-sayer thou speakest and the outside of the Letter and not Christ and canst not witness him who brings forth judgement into victory but standest as a witness against them who witness the Scriptures fulfilled in them and Christ bringing forth judgement into victory and here thou shewest thy self to be unacquainted with Christ and thy nakedness and ignorance thou makest appear Object 3. That he had been in Hell and is now in Heaven Answ Here thou shewest thy self to be a witness against the holy men of God Jonah saith Out of the belly of hell cryed I Jon. 2. and thou heardest my voice and the Lord delivered him out of hell and might not he confess it thou hypocrite For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell neither wilt thou suffer thy holy one to see corruption Psa 16.10 Thou hast delivered my soul out of death bless the Lord my soul and all that is within me bless his holy name Psa 103.1.2 How darest thou profess the Scriptures and the holy men of Gods-conditions which were raised and brought out of death and if any witness the holy men of Gods condition thou persecutest them O thou blind hypocrite here thou shewest thou never sawest hells mouth yet therefore thou never cryedst in hell yet Object 4. That he was come to the infinite company of the first-born and the Spirits of just men made perfect Answ Paul said who was a Minister of God But ye are come to Mount Sion Heb. 12.22 and unto the City of the living God the heavenly Jerusalem and to an innummerable company of Angels to the general Assembly and Church of the first-born which are written in heaven unto God the judge of all and to the spirits of just men made perfect Paul was A Minister of Jesus Christ by the will of God who incouraged the Saints who were brought hither but thou now persecutest them and art a witness against them that confess they are brought hither here thou shewest thou hast the spirit of errour openly and art no Minister of God no not of the Letter but art against the Letter as it speakes persecuting them that have the life of it Object 5. That he had heard the last Trumpet sound and seen the new Jerusalem Answ Here thou shewest forth thy spite and venome If John was here which saw the great City and holy Ierusalem descend out of heaven from good John said I saw the holy City New Ierusalem come down from God out of heaven thou wouldst be a witness against him thou shewest thyself in the generation that was ever persecutors slanderers opposers of the power of truth Where the same spirit is that was in Iohn he sees these things now as he did then but where the same spirit is not which thou shewest thou hast not but a contrary spirit that persecutes them which do see those things but is as a dog to bite and devour Iohn saw the last trumpet sound which shews thou art not come to the first Blow the trumpet in Slon Joel 2.1 sound an alarm in my holy mountain let all the inhabitants of the earth tremble Here be thou a witness against thy self that thou art a witness against the truth and in the generation of them that ever slew the righteous seed Obj. 6. That John Lawson said he had seen God face to face Answ Here thou shewest thy self to be a witness against them that know God and makest thy self manifest to be a heathen for all are heathens that do not know God and no man knoweth God saving he that is born of God and who are born of God are owners of the truth and not against it but against the deceit Jacob said I have seen God face to face Gen. 32. Isa 6.5 Job 42.5 Isaiah said Mine eyes have seen the King the Lord of hosts Job said I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear but now mine eyes have seen thee Exo. 33.11 And God spake to Moses face to face Here you may take your oaths and swear against Jacob against Isaiah against Job and against Moses Where the same Spirit is made manifest and who are born of God know God face to face as they did but they who are born of the flesh persecute them who are born of the Spirit and there you shew your selves to be taking oaths and swearing against them that know God seeking to bring them to prison or bondage for you never read in all the Scriptures that the Prophets or the Apostles took their oaths against any which confessed they had seen God or put up a Petition to the Magistrates or witnessed it with oathes against any of them the Ministers of God said Swear not at all And here you shew your selves to be no Ministers or friends of God but without God for the Ministers of God are to bring people to know God and to the Church in God and to the heavenly Jerusalem and to the innummerable company of Angels and minister to that which is in prison and in death but if any come to witness these things fulfilled you are witnesses against them with Oaths and would bring the bodies of such into prison where the seed of God is raised out of prison within shewing your selves to be Antichrists persecuters of the power of truth and beasts which shall make war against the Saints and against the Lambe but the Lamb shall get the victory Job cryed when the Lord hid his face and David cried when the Lord hid his face and said O Lord I will seek thy face And here you shew you neither know his face nor have seen it but are persecuters of them who know it and seek it Praises praises be to the Lord for ever FINIS Errata Page 14. l. 18. after the word death put a p. 16. l. 2. for were read was p. 18. l. 25. for the second word Ministery r. Ministers p. 20. l. 11. before the word saying r. one p. 21. l. 31. for Priests r. people p. 24. l. 17. after the word That r. some say p. 25. l. 1. after proved r. by l. 2. after the word him r. in him p. 28. l. 4. r. save only what p. 29. l. 5. r. of the Law as a Transgressor l. 9. r. judged
blood of Christ this I witness Object 3. He did disswade men from reading the Scriptures telling them that it is carnal Answ For disswading men from reading the Scriptures that is false for they were given to be read as they are but not to make a Trade upon 1 Cor. 2.10 16. the Letter is carnal and killeth but that which gave it forth is spiritual eternal and giveth life and this I witness Oject 4. That he was equal with God Answ Heb. 2.11 That was not so spoken but that He that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are of one and the Saints are all one in the Father and the Son of his flesh and of his bone this the Scripture doth witness And ye are the sons of God Eph. 5.30 and the Father and the Son are one and they that are joyned to the Lord are one spirit and they that are joyned to an Harlot are one flesh Object That God taught deceit Answ That is false and was never spoken by me God is pure Object That the Scriptures are Antichrist Answ That is false but that they which profess the Scriptures and live not in the life and power of them as they did that gave them forth that I witness to be Antichrist Object That he was the Judg of the world 1 Cor. 6.2 3. Answ That the Saints shall judge the world the Scripture witness it whereof I am one and I witness the Scripture fulfilled Object That he was as upright as Christ Answ Those words were not so spoken by me 1 Joh. 4.17 2 Cor. 5.21 Ioh. 17.21 22. Eph. 4.11 12 13. but that as he is so are we in this present world That the Saints are made the righteousness of God That the Saints are one in the Father and the Son that we shall be like him 1 Joh. 3.2 and that all teaching which is given forth by Christ is to bring the Saints to perfection even to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ This the Scripture doth witness and this I witness Where Christ dwels must not he speak in his Temple Quaeries propounded to George Fox by some of the Contrivers of the Petition and by him Answered Querie WHether there be one individual God distinguished into the Father Son and Holy Ghost or not Answ Herein thou wouldest know whether God be individual yea or no which is but a busie minde for had'st thou the witness in thy self thou wouldst know what he is but the Heathen know not God and all that know him not are Heathen living in the wicked imaginations of their own hearts and that is thy condition For God is a Spirit and none know him but the Son and he to whom the Son is revealed the Son and Word is one He that hath ears to hear let him hear what the Spirit saith for thou natural man thou know'st not the things of God Qu. Whether a believer be justified by Christs righteousness imputed yea or no Answ He that believeth is born of God and he that is born of God is justified by Christ alone without imputation Qu. Whether he that believeth that Christ hath taken away his sin is clean without sin in this life as Christ himself or not Answ He that believeth is born of God and he that is born of God sins not neither can he sin because his seed remaineth in him as he is so are we in this present evil world Qu. Whether a believer be without all sin in this life or not Answ Christ being made manifest is made manifest to take away sin and in him is no sin at all he that abideth in him sins not he that sins is of the Devil and hath not seen him neither known him herein are the children of God made manifest and the children of the Devil All you that read these Queries read these things in your selves whether ye be the children of God or the children of the Devil and whether ye understand what ye write yea or no. Qu. Whether his works as well as his person be perfectly holy and good or no Answ A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit and if the root be holy the branches will be holy also and every one that doth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous But as for that person it is a busie minde in thee that askst thou knowst not what for God is no respecter of persons he that respecteth persons commits sin and he that commits sin transgresseth the Law Qu. Whether Saints in this life without any addition hereafter are perfectly just perfectly holy compleatly glorious in this life and are not capable of any addition after death in the least degree but only of manifestation Answ If that thou know'st what a Saint is thou would'st know a Saints life for they passed thorow death to life but thou art yet alive to sin and dead to righteousness see if it be not so but he that is dead to sin is alive to righteousness and lives in God and God in him The Lord is our righteousness and he saith Be ye holy as I am holy for without holiness no man shall see the Lord. Be not deceived God will not be mocked Thou hypocrite dissemble not with him he that is perfectly holy is perfectly just where this is revealed there needs no addition for the man of God is perfect Qu. Whether the two Sacraments Baptism and the breaking of Bread ought necessarily to continue in the Church or not Answ Thou askest thou know'st not what concerning two Sacraments which there is no Scripture for Thou askest a question which is an addition to the Scripture and thou that doest add the plagues of God are added to thee Who come into the true Church are baptized with one Spirit into one body but as for sprinkling Infants there 's no Scripture for it I deny it in the true Church of God there is no talk of such carnal things Thou Sot the bread which the Saints break is of the body of Christ he is the bread of life The Church is not the steeple-house but the Church is in God and those that eat the bread of life live for ever the Church is in God and the bread of life is there and it shall continue for ever Qu. Whether Christ in the flesh be a figure or not and if a figure how and in what Answ Christ is the substance of all figures and his flesh is a figure for every one passeth through the same way as he did who comes to know Christ in the flesh there must be a suffering with him before there be a rejoycing with him Christ is an example for all to walk after and if thou knew'st what an example is thou wouldst know what a figure is to come up to the same fulness Qu. Whether there be any heaven or hell for the Elect or Reprobate after death but in man in this life or not Answ There is no knowledge of
cause of thy coming into these parts James If I may have liberty I shall declare it I was at the plow meditating on the things of God and suddenly I heard a voice saying unto me Get thee out from thy Kindred and from thy Fathers house and I had a promise given in with it Whereupon I did exceedingly rejoyce that I had heard the voyce of that God which I had professed from a Child but had never known him Col. Brigs Didst thou hear that voice Jam. Yea I did hear it and when I came at home I gave up my Estate cast out my mony but not being obedient in going forth the wrath of God was upon me so that I was made a wonder to all and none thought I would have lived but after I was made willing I began to make some preparation as apparel and other necessaries not knowing whither I should go But shortly afterward going agateward with a friend from my owne house having on an old Suit without any money having neither taken leave of wife or children not thinking then of any journey I was commanded to go into the West not knowing whither I should go nor what I was to do there but when I had been there a little while I had given me what I was to declare and ever since I have remained not knowing to day what I was to do to morrow Col. Brigs What was the Promise thou had'st given Iames. That God would be with me which promise I finde made good every day Col. Brigs I never heard such a call as this is in our time James I believe thee Just Pears Is Christ in thee James I witness him in me and if I should deny him before men he would deny me before my Father which is in heaven Just Pears Spiritual you mean Iam. Yea Spiritual Just Pears By faith or how Jam. By Faith Just Pears What difference then between the Ministers and you Jam. The Ministers affirm Christ to be in heaven with a Carnal body but I with a Spiritual body Just Pears Which of the Ministers say Christ is in heaven with a Carnal body Iam. The Minister so called of Kirkby-Steven Priest Higginson stood up and affirmed it again openly before all the Court. Iames. If Christ be in heaven with a Carnal body and the Saints with a Spiritual body it is not proportionable neither was that a carnal body which appeared among the Disciples the doors being shut and appeared in divers shapes Quest Was Christ man or no Iames. Yea he was and took upon him the seed of Abraham and was real flesh and bone but is a Mystery not known to the carnal man for he is begotten of the immortal seed and those that know him know him to be Spiritual for it was the Word that became flesh and dwelt amongst us and if he had not been Spiritual he had not wrought my Redemption Just Pears Is Christ in thee as man Iames. Christ filleth all places and is not divided separate God and man and he is no more Christ Just Pears If we stand to dispute these things we should have the Ministers James Perceiving Priest Higginson offended because he had told of his saying that Christ was in heaven with a carnal body James said Friend I had not accused thee had I not been asked what was the difference between the Ministers and me for I am not come to accuse any for I am against accusations Col. Brigs Wast thou not of a Kirk about Sawrby James I was a member of an Independant Church at Weedchurch Col. Brigs Wast thou not excommunicated for thy blasphemous Opinions James I know not what they have done since I came forth but before I was not to my knowledge Col. Brigs called of Mr. Coale saying Did you ere hear such a call as this did you hear it Coale Yea I heard part of it Col. Brigs Didst not thou write a paper wherein was mentioned that if thou thinkest to be saved by that Christ which dyed at Jerusalem thou art deceived James If I cannot witness Christ nearer then Jerusalem I shall have no benefit by him but I owne no other Christ but that who witnessed a good confession before Pontius Pilate which Christ I witness suffering in me now Col. Brigs Wilt thou deny thy hand James I will not deny my hand if I may see it and I desire that I may have so much favour that that paper may be kept as an evidence either with or against me A large Petition being read wherein was something against quaking and trembling Just Pears How comes it to pass that people quaks and tremble James The Scriptures witness the same condition in the Saints formerly as David Daniel Habakkuk and divers others Just Pears Did they fall down James Yea some of them did so Coale David said all his bones were broken but they were whole James So are these now Coal Moses trembled for he saw the face of God and all Israel James Did all Israel see the face of God that crosseth the Scriptures Coale They saw his glory I shall see the Lord with these eyes putting his fingers to his eyes James They must first be made spiritual he cannot be seen with carnal eyes for he is a Spirit and no flesh can see God and live Coale That light by which I am justified is a created light James That light by which I am justified is not a created light Coale That is true Just Pears To the Word What say'st thou to the Scriptures are they the Word of God Jam. They are a true Declaration of the Word that was in them who spoke them forth Higginson Is there not a written Word Jam. Where readest thou in thy Scriptures of a written word The word is spiritual not seen with carnal eyes but as for the Scriptures they are true and I witness them true in measure fulfilled in me as far as I am grown up Just Pears Why dost thou disturb the Ministers in their publick worships Jam. I have not disturbed them in their publick worships Just Pears Why dost thou speak against Tythes which are allowed by the States Iam. I meddle not with the States I speak against them that are hirelings as they are hirelings those that were sent of Christ never took Tythes nor ever sued any for wages Just Pears Dost thou think we are so beggerly as the Heathens that we cannot afford our Ministers maintenance We give them it freely Iam. They are the Ministers of Christ who abide in the doctrine of Christ Just Pears But who shall judg how shall we know them Jam. By their fruits you shall know them they that abide not in the Doctrine of Christ make it appear they are not the Ministers of Christ Just Pears That is true Accusations against Jo Lawson by him answered THat Joh Lawson of Lancaster did affirme December the fourth 1652. Object That he was dead and rose againe Answ Thou art a witness against him that is risen