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A42146 The searchers for schism search'd, or, Their pretended questions for conscience sake answered wherein is proved that those baptized congregations under laying on of hands are not guilty of schism in separating from them : shewing, in opposition to their threeforld hypothesis, that their church constitution is not true, separation from them proved lawful, the truth and authority of the doctrine about which they separate, vindicated / humbly presented to all concerned [by] J. Griffith ... Griffith, John, 1622?-1700. 1669 (1669) Wing G2003; ESTC R41670 59,153 128

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the Church of Pergamos is by the Spirit commanded to repent of this evil the command backed with a commination which proves that such must be put out of the Church that so hold much more such which so do 7. But laying on of Hands we do indeed make Essential to Church Communion because it is a Principle of the Doctrine of Christ as hath been proved now and heretofore and never was disproved by you except asking questions be refutation Quest 5. We demand whether there was not a Church of Christ in the world before his Ascention and whether any other qualification was then pre-requisite to Church Membership than Confession of Sins and Faith in Christ for the remission of them together with a being Baptized into his Name and walking in a holy life and conversation if you say any thing else was then required and practised as Essential to Church Membership shew us what that was and where it was so required and practised And if you say nothing else was then required and practised we demand whether the Church of Christ was wanting of any thing then that was Essential to its being whatever it might want as to its well-being If you say it wanted nothing then that was Essential to its being then we further demand how this People so continuing in Faith Baptism and Holiness of life could cease to be a Church of Christ after his Ascention though they might not come up to some of those others Truths that were afterward revealed when the Spirit was made manifest c. Answer 1. We do not find that Christ before his Ascension doth give the Name or Title of a Church to any but onely calls his Followers Disciples as we might enumerate a multitude of places in the Evangelists 2. We find that our Lord Jesus when Peter confessed that he was the Christ the Son of the Living God answered Peter and said Upon this Rock will I build my Church He doth not say I have built my Church upon this Rock but I will c. speaking in the future tense Hereafter when I do build it not that he had then built his Church but was about the work making all things ready as materials both for the Foundation and Building 3. Nor is what we say destitute of good reason for his Disciples might then confess and believe him to be the Christ but could not believe him dead risen ascended and that the Comforter was come upon which as upon ● Rock or sure Foundation Christ would build hi● Church and hath since his last Will and Testament is in force by his Death Heb. 9.16 17 for his Church now is founded upon these Basi● Christ is come and died for our Sins according to the Scriptures believing that we in dut● ought to be baptised in his Name for the Remission of them Act. 2.38 22.16 and pray with laying on of hands for the gift of the Spirit which now is come since Christ is ascended to the Father according to his promise John 16.7 to guide us into all Truth and to be with us for ever John 14.16 17. as his alone Vicar on Earth John 16.13 14 15. by which Spirit we are baptised into one body 1 Cor. 12.13 believing that as he is risen from the dead he will also raise us up at the last day John 6.40 and will come the second time sitting upon the Throne of his Glory to Judgement and to render to every man as his work shall be On all which as on a Rock or Foundation the Disciples could not be built in the time of Christs life not till after his Ascension because they were not then laid nor could not till Christ was dead risen and ascended to the Father Yet in the time of his Life as his Disciples he was diligent to instruct teach and inform them of all these things as such which should be done and accomplished in their due and appointed time viz. after he had suffered was risen and ascended to the Father But it may be objected That Christ saith Mat. 18.17 If he shall neglect to hear them tell it to the Church there Christ calls them a Church That doth not follow those being words of direction and instruction which Christ gives them by which they might be guided when they had received power from on high to proceed as a Church to censure unholy and disorderly Walkers not that they before they were endowed with that power from on high were to act as a Church to censure the impenitent no● did they as we read You may further object That Christ did break Bread with them and therefore they we● then a Church It is true Christ did before his Passion institute the Supper he brake the Bread and gave it to his Disciples but it was onely with the Twelve the rest of the Disciples being absent then doth it not follow that the Disciples we● in the capacity of a Church because the Twelve are singled out from the rest of the Disciples which shews excepting him that was lost tha● they were taken apart from the other Disciples as those that were appointed by the Lord to b● Witnesses in a more eminent way and manne● than the rest of all those things he should suffer And those whom Jesus had chosen and give● commandment to not onely by his own mouth but through the Holy Ghost also Act. 1.2 wha● they should teach others to believe and observe Mat. 28.20 Breaking Bread then at this tim● might not be solemnized as Church-communion which ought to be when the whole Body comet● together to commemorate the Body and Blood of Christ the one as broken the other shed and to shew the Lords death till he come but rather was instituted then by Christ at the feast of the Passover to shew them what they should after he was ascended do also to teach others what they should do and observe when they were endowed with power from on high and thereby were en●ighted to all things relating to Church-Power and the administration of all Church-Ordinances which until they were so impowered they were onely to wait at Jerusalem Luk. 24.49 Act. 1.4 If otherwise why should the rest of the Disciples be excluded and not called to this last Supper of the Lord If they broke Bread as a Church the rest of the Disciples had as much right to that Communion as the Twelve or else the Twelve onely were the Church and the other Disciples no part of it And if a Church why must they wait for power at Jerusalem This we humbly and modestly offer to consideration And as for the rest of your Queries and Demands which you multiply in this Question they are either removed and answered or require none further But say you further if you shall say they wanted something while Christ was among them essential to Communion then we demand whether this doth not reflect a want of care in Christ who left them so and indeed want
we say So it was practised on all and therefore it cannot be the beginning Doctrine of Christ Heb. 6. becau●● they laid on hands to heal the Sick that were ● Church-Members but of the world Luk. 1● 11 12 13. Act. 28.7 8 9. The Lord working wi●● them confirming the Word with signs following according to Mark 16.20 Quest 25. But whereas you say Laying on of hands is ● Foundation-Doctrine or a part of the Foundation of Christianity and therefore you cannot communicate with such as do not own it We demand whe● the Text saith any such thing And wheth●● there can be any other Foundation laid than th● which is laid which is Jesus Christ 1 Cor. ● 11 12. And we demand whether this be not the ver●● words and sence of the Text when the Autho● says Heb. 6. he would not lay again the Foundation OF Repentance and the Foundation OF Faith and the Foundation OF the Doctrine o● Baptism and the Foundation OF laying on o● hands c. From all which we demand Whether this practice of yours in laying on of hands upon all Baptised Disciples though it should be intended in Heb. 6. which we despair of ever seeing the proof of 〈◊〉 a Doctrine or Principle without which Gods House cannot be or a Doctrine or Principle without which it cannot so well and so compleatly be If you say It is that without which Gods House cannot be prove it and we will believe you But if you say God may have a House though less perfect without it then are not you all guilty of Schism in making a Separation from it Answer 1. Your demand here is Where the Text saith the laying on of hands is a Foundation-Doctrine or a part of the Foundation of Christianity Oh strange Are you still ignorant of that not-withstanding one of you confessed it to be one of the first Rudiments of Christianity so submitted to the practice of it It is to be feared he did not lye to men but God when he so confessed and practised and yet secretly and mentally reserve That it was no part of the Foundation of Christianity as he here doth not only query but plainly affirm But we will gratifie you once more and tell you That Text Heb. 6.1 2. saith Not laying again the Foundation of laying on of hands 2. Then you demand Whether there can be any other Foundation laid than that which is laid Which is Jesus Christ And go from querying to arguing being put to this lamentable and desperate straight that rather than you will acknowledge laying on of hands to be a foundation-Principle you will deny Repentance Faith the Doctrine of Baptisms the Resurrection of the Dead and eternal Judgement to be a foundation or any part of the foundation of Christianity for it appears by your argument that you hold that it is no part of the foundatio● of Christianity to repent and confess our sins and to believe in Christ for the pardon of them nor no part of the foundation of Christianity t● be baptised in the Name of the Lord Jesus an● to practise Prayer with laying on of hands tha● we might receive the Spirit to which end laying on of hands was and is practised that every Member might be baptised by that one Spiri● into one Body nor no part of the Foundatio● of Christianity to believe the Resurrection o● the Dead and eternal Judgement And pray seeing the Spirit in Heb. 6.1 2. saith they ar● Foundations for thus you and we read No laying again the foundation of Repentance from dea● works and Faith towards God the Doctrine of Baptisms and of laying on of Hands and of the Resurrection of the Dead and of eternal Judgement and they be as you say no part of the foundation of Christianity what are they the foundation of then Judaism or Paganism For ● foundation they are and we relieve of Christianity But you thus reason If there can be no other foundation than Jesu● Christ then is not Faith nor Repentance nor Laying on of hands nor the believing the Resurrectio● of the Dead nor eternal Judgement a foundatio● or part of the foundation of Christianity But there can be no other foundation laid than Jesus Christ. Ergo Repentance Faith Baptism and Laying on of hands the belief of the Resurrection of the Dead and eternal Judgement cannot be a foundation or part of the foundation of Christianity We deny the consequence of your major Proposition For all these that you say cannot be a foundation nor no part of the Foundation of Christianity the Spirit of God saith they are Foundation Heb. 6.1 and the Spirit tels the Ephesians they were built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Jesus Christ himself being the chief Corner-stone Ephes 2.20 And were they not built on that foundation as Christians If they were built thereon as Christians which you cannot deny then sure that foundation was part of the foundation of Christianity which foundation is not another but the same mentioned Heb. 6.1 3. Nor will your next Argument prove your major For though Christ be the foundation of all those Duties as the Author the great Doctor and Teacher of them and the chief Corner-stone yet doth it not follow but that these Duties be the Principles of his Doctrine and the Foundation of Christianity being in plain terms said to be so by the Spirit of God in the fore-cited places 4. Neither doth this hinder but that Christ is the Foundation and that other foundation can no man lay than Christ which those do who from the heart obey this form of Doctrine Rom. 6.17 for by Repentance we see our wretched and undone condition without Christ by Eaith we see our sins pardoned out persons justified and accepted by Christ by being baptised into his Name we actually acknowledge his Death for our sins and a washing of them away and that he is risen and we with him to newness of life by prayer and laying on of hands we wait therein upon God for the Spirit which he promised to send from the Father John 15.26 by which we are all baptised into his Body and have the witness in our selves that we are the Children of God by the belief of the Resurrection of the Body we wait in hope of the glory of God and acknowledge that Christ is risen and is the Resurrection and the Life and that we shall though dead be raised up to life by him at the last day and by the belief of eternal Judgement we look for his coming to judge both the Dead and the Living and that we shall all appear before the Judgement-Seat of Christ and there receive according to the things done in our Body whether they be good or bad with the Reward either of eternal Joy or everlasting shame and contempt So that in deed he that builds not upon these foundation-Principles lays not Christ the foundation not can he be a Christian So inseparable is Christ and