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A34470 A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659. 1656 (1656) Wing C6094; ESTC R215454 85,329 113

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which I know and which you say is a mysterie Secondly consider the death you are to be raised from and that is the death that all men died in the state of the first Adam and do still die by reason of sin from which death all shall be raised to life in Christ the second Adam Now the wages of sin is death and that death which sin doth bring on man is the same death that Christ doth raise him from For you who were dead in sins and trespasses hath he quickned and if ye be risen with Christ seek the things which are above where Christ siteth at the right hand of God which is spoken in the Presentence and not in the Future and cannot be meant of the rising of our corporal bodies after laid in the grave which I question whether those that talk so much of that do yet know this spiritual Resurrection which I hereby declare to you all and if any one can tell us of another Resurrection of the same body of flesh blood and bones again as it was let him declare that as I have declared this for I denie nothing which by any other can be proved but the Scripture saith That flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdome of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption therefore blessed and happy are all they which have their part in this first Resurrection for of such the second death hath no power but they live and raign with Christ Thirdly As there is a bodie to be raised so there is also a bodie to be destroyed and that is the bodie of sin and death which is to die and no more to live For if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin but the spirit is life because of righteousnesse that is of Christ And in Rom 6. there is a Resurrection from sin to newnesse of life spoken of by the Apostle that like as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorie of the Father even so should we walk before him in newnesse of life for if we have been planted together in the likenesse of his death we shall be also in the likenesse of his Resurrection knowing this that our old man is crucified with him that the bodie of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin Rosewell 2 Tim. 2. 18. But there were false Prophets among them as there are false Teachers among you which say the Resurrection is past already and so bring in damnable errors to overthrow the saith and we see there were some in the Apostles daies which did deny a corporal Resurrection Coppin Do you instance that Scripture as to a corporal Resurrection which speaks nothing of it you do add to that Scripture the word corporal and you know the punishment of him that addeth thereto or diminisheth therefrom Again I do not say the Resurrection is past already for it is not yet come to you nor many more therefore your Scripture is to no purpose against me for I say it is to come as well as alreadie come and that it shall continue until the Day of Judgment be ended or till all that shall be are raised and set free in this spiritual Resurrection from death hell or the grave in which they lie imprisoned and buried by reason of sin but the Sadduces who denie the Resurrection hold there is neither Angel nor Spirit and that do not I. Rosewell I shall prove the Resurrection of the body from Job 19. Where Job saith He shall see God with those eyes at the last day 1 Cor. 15. Paul saith If the dead rise not then is our preaching vain and your faith is vain and you are yet in your sins And Job saith Though wormes destroy his bodie yet in this flesh in this bodie shall I see God which doth clearlie prove a corporal Resurrection but I shall give him rope till night Coppin Add not to the Scripture for there is no such bodily Resurrection spoken of as you declare 1 Cor. 15. 12. so on pray see friends Paul doth not speak of a corporal Resurrection but tells them of the Resurrection of the Dead and saith That if Christ be not risen then all our Preaching and Believing is in vain and we are yet in our sins Clearlie intimating that the Resurrection of Christ doth assure them of their being raised from sin to walk with God in newnesse of life For saith he you are sown a natural body but you are raised a spiritual body and a spirituall bodie is not flesh and bones therefore not the same bodie as you say it is and would have it to be Rosewell There shall be eyes hands and feet Coppin That there shall be eyes hands and feet you are yet to prove Rosewell Job saith He shall see God with those eyes and that in this his flesh he shall see God Againe the Scripture saith That they which are alive and them which are dead shall be raised and all of them shall meet the Lord only this corruptible must put on incorruptible and this mortall must put on immortalitie Again the bodies of Believers are the Temples of the Holy Ghost 1 Cor. 6. and the Temples of Jesus Christ therefore the same bodies shall be raised at the last day Coppin You also bring Job to prove a Corporal Resurrection of flesh blood and bones and that this Resurrection and seeing God with those eyes was not to be till after the death of his visible bodie as you say but I say here is a mysterie and a spiritual sense to be understood in these words Job 19. where he saith I know my Redeemer liveth and that at the last day I shall s●e him stand upon the earth and though after my skin worms destroy this body yet in my flesh shall I see God whom I shall see for my selfe and mine eyes shall behold and not anothers though my reins be consumed within me But to understand this you must know how he is the Redeemer and when also what is meant by the last day and the earth which he shall stand upon and what eyes shall behold him c. Now his Redeemer was the Lord and did then live in Job though he knew it not that he should see him at the last day is a truth but what this last day was and the manner how he should see him that he knew not till the time came that he saw him in himselfe therefore you shall find that Job was then in darkness and under much affliction uttering words without knowledg for which he was reproved first by the Prophet Elihu secondlie by the Lord thirdlie he confest it first the Prophet reproved him Job 33. Chap. 35. 16. Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vaine he multiplieth words without knowledg Job 38. 1. 2. Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said who is this that darkeneth counsell by words without knowledg gird up now thy loynes like a
oyntment Isa. 1. 6. So that before the coming of Christ into man to binde up his wounds to annoint him with oile and to sanctifie him he is polluted throughout Ezek. 16. Rosewell Rub your Brazen-face and go on Coppin If the nature of man had beene holie before Christ took it on him then Christ need not have come to make it holie but because it was polluted with sinne therefore did Christ come and take part of the same sinfull nature that he by living in that nature might sanctifie and cleanse it all and thereby present the whole nature of man pure spotlesse and blamelesse to the Father making it to be accepted in him the beloved Jesus for without him there was none righteous no not one but all have sinned and come short of the glory of God And he hath concluded all men under sin and unbelief that he might have mercy upon all and this mercie is manifested in Heb. 2. 14. That forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part of the same that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death which is the Devill and deliver them who through feare of death were all their life time subject to bondage For before Christ did take our flesh on him the Devill and Sinne did dwell in it but because that men should not for ever remaine so under the Dominions of sin death hell and the devil God himself did manifest himself to live in our nature or sinful flesh that he might destroy both his and our enemies even sin death hell and the devill in our nature which devil had no part in him 1 John 3. 8. For this purpose was the Son of God manifested that he might destroy the works of the devil without which no man could live to see the face of God in righteousnesse as 't is written We must needs die and are all like water spilt upon the ground which could not be gathered up again And God without respect of persons did find out this way in his Son to redeem us again to himselfe even by his being manifest in our flesh yea in our sinful flesh not that he was that flesh but did live in it to destroy the pollutions of it and so present it to his Father as blamelesse and as holie as himself For he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them Brethren saying I will declare thy Name unto my Brethren in the mid'st of the Church will I sing praise unto thee And again I will put my trust in thee and beh●ld I and the children which God hath given me are with thee Heb. 2. 11. Rosewell Cannot every one read this as well as you Coppin Pray interrupt me not I shall yet go on verse 17. 18. He was in all things made like unto his Brethren that he might be a mercifull and faithfull High-Priest to offer up for the sinnes of the people which till he had taken them on him in our likeness he could not doe and in that he himselfe hath suffered for them being tempted he is able to succour them that are tempted but if our nature were holy before Christ took it on him to what end did he take it to suffer in it and yet I say this Jesus which did take our nature on him and still lives in it now in us and will also in those that shall come after us was not himselfe sinfull but righteous and the sinfulness of it was ours and is known onely to us and not to him living in us for he knew no sin and yet he in our nature did beare all oursins and it was the sins of all men that did crucifie him which he did beare in their nature as his own body on the Tree for the same nature that sinned did suffer for sin and not another nature and he being both God and man as having the nature of both so he had power to die and to live againe to lay downe his life and to take it up and so he became our Holy High-Priest to offer up us and our nature in himselfe and his nature by one offering to the Father to reconcile us to God when he offer'd up himselfe once for all And now answer me one question What High-Priest is that spoken of in Heb. 5. 1. 2. 3. And that you may know he is there said to have compassion on the ignorant and on them that are out of the way for that he himselfe also is compassed about with our infirmities and what High-Priest is this say you Then answered one Mr. Wife a Minister It is spoken of Jesus Christ Coppin It seems you cannot answer your selfe you must have some other to answer for you Rosewell I will fetch one Oyster-Wife from Billingsgate shall answer you Coppin Well you denie not this answer made for you concerning this Scripture in Heb. 5. that the High-Priest there spoken of was Christ which if it be as you say and not I then read the next words ver. 3. and by reason thereof he ought as for the people so also for himself to offer for sins Rosewell You have confest confest what I charged you with Coppin I have only read to you the words of the Scripture Also if Christ be our Suretie to pay our debt as in Heb. 7. 22. then the debt became his as well as ours which he paid for himself as for us after he had taken it to him and so he may be said to offer for his own sins also as for the peoples according to these Scriptures Isaiah 53. 12. He was numbered with the transgressors Rosewell Now I desire all to take notice and they may plainly see you are a Blasphemer I shall now follow you in your Wile-Goose-Chase He that shall pretend Scripture that Christ did offer for his own sins as also for the peoples he is a Blasphemer but you have ergo Coppin I have not pretended Scripture but have proved all things that I have said plainlie by Scripture and concerning that in the Heb. I did ask you what was meant by that High-Priest and because you did not answer your self some other bodie did for you saying it was Christ Rosewell But you did affirm that Christ in our nature did offer for his owne sins as also for the peoples and how can there be salvation in him that must offer for his owne sins therefore all that heare you must conclude this to be high blasphemy against Jesus Christ and it is dangerous damnable doctrine Coppin You say it is dangerous and so it is to you because it is contrary to your doctrine and doth overthrow it but it is not dangerous to the truth but to that which is a lye and that cannot stand before it and therefore you raile against it because you can no way overthrow it Rosewell I say he that saith
Christ did offer for his owne sins is a blasphemer Coppin Is that all you can say if it be you were best goe back to Schoole againe where you learn'd this and learne some more Rosewell I have enough and that you shall see if I had but your book here Coppin Why did you not bring it with you seeing you can say nothing without book I said you wanted help and so 't is true CHAP. VII Of Christ the Resurrection from the first Adam to the second proved with the manner how and the time when what body it shall arise and from what death also how it was signified by what and when ROsewell He that from Scripture doth labour to perswade men that there is no Resurrection of the body to be exspected and that no body shall be raised at the last day he is a perverter of Scripture and a venter of damnable errors but you are one ergo Coppin I denie your minor therefore prove it Rosewell I prove it thus 1 Cor. 15. That as Jesus Christ was raised from the dead so all they which have been are and shall be shall be raised up at the last day which you denie Coppin I doe grant the Resurrection of the body and doe not denie it though you say I doe Rosewell You did denie that the words in Job did signifie any Resurrection of the bodie and also that in 1 Cor. 15. which I can prove Coppin Is that Resurrection a mysterie or no mysterie Rosewell Yes a great mysterie and such a one as I do believe you do not know Coppin If you do know pray declare it Rosewell I am not minded to declare it to you at this time Coppin Then I will tell you what it is Friends and Brethren I do own a Resurrection according to the Scriptures and such a Resurrection as you all must partake of before ye can see the Kingdome of God 1 Cor. 15. There is a Resurrection spoken of by the Apostle which is the Resurrection of Christ and of our rising in and with him from the state of the first Adam to the state of the second Adam but there were some then as well as now that did think the Apostle had meant carnallie the rising again of the same bodie of flesh and bones and therefore did ask the question with what bodies they shall arise not knowing what the Dead was nor the life it should be raised to and how God giveth it a bodie as pleaseth him Now to prove this Resurrection Christ saith I am he which was alive and was dead and am alive again and lives for evermore Rosewell Do you hear he saith Christ was alive and dead Coppin There is nothing can be said to die but first it must be alive nor made to live but it must first die Now Christ is he which was alive was dead and is alive again the first that was living and the last that lives In John 11. 21. Martha comes to Christ and saith Lord if thou had'st been here my Brother had not died Christ said Thy Brother shall rise againe I know said Martha he shall rise at the Resurrection on the last day Jesus said unto her I am the Resurrection and the Life he that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live and he that lives and believes in me shall never die Believest thou this Now she had Faith to believe that he was Christ the Son of God but could not believe the truth of her Brothers Resurrection in Christ therefore did-Christ blame her saying Had'st thou but believed thou should'st have seen the glory of God John 11. 40. Now if Christ be the Resurrection and the Life then there is nothing in this Resurrection but what is himself for he is the dead raised the raiser of this dead and the life raised too as he saith I am the Resurrection and the Life Now take notice that I do not denie any thing of Christ all this while but do advance him and also our Resurrection in him as the Scripture saith We are raised up together with him to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus and this is the mysterie of the Resurrection which you say is a great mysterie Now saith the Apostle to those carnal enquirers that knew not this mysterie of the Resurrection but asked with what bodies they should arise Thou fool saith the Apostle that which thou sowest is not quickned except it die and thou sowest not that body that shall be but bare grain it may chance of wheat or some other grain so it is not saith be the same body which thou sowest that is raised but God giveth it a body as pleaseth him And why then say you that the same bodie shall be raised again Now Paul to prove this spiritual Resurrection tells us that there is one glorie of the Sun another glorie of the Moon and another of the Stars and one Star differs from another Star in glorie so also is the Resurrection of the dead it is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption 't is sown in dishonor it is raised in glorie it is sown in weaknesse it is raised in power and all in us that I may know him saith Paul and the power of his Resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings being made conformable to his death if by any means I might attain unto the Resurrection of the dead for which I presse forwards saith Paul So that this Resurrection is to be within you and you are to know it while you live in this bodie for it is your rising from faith to faith from glorie to glorie as from one administration of God to another Behold saith Paul I shew you a mysterie we shall not all sleep but we shall be changed that is changed from the state of the first Adam to the state of the second Adam and so he tells us It was sown in Adam it was raised in Christ it was sown a natural body and it is raised a spiritual body even as you see your change for the first man Adam is of the earth earthy a living soul the second is the Lord from heaven a quickening spirit and as is the earthly so are they that are earthly and as is the heavenly so are they that are heavenly wherefore examine your selves and you will now find it so for you are all of you either in the state of the first Adam or in the state of the second Adam and your change is from the first to the second that as you have born the image of the earthly so you shall bear the image of the heavenlie for there is a bodie natural and a bodie spiritual all which are proper to us in this life And thus Paul tells us of the Resurrection in a mysterie Now take notice that I do not denie any Resurrection in all this which by any man may be proved but I do declare to you the mysterie of this spiritual Resurrection