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A44501	The Quakers proved deceivers and such as people ought not to listen to, or follow, but to account accursed, in the management of a charge formerly given out against them to that effect, by J. Horne, preacher of the gospel at South-Lin in Norfolke. Which charge was managed and made good by him against George Whitehead, in the chancel of South-Lin, before some hundreds of people, Jan. 13. 1659. to the great baffling of the said George Whitehead and his party, through the merciful and gracious hand of the Lord appearing for his truth and servants therein, as is known to, and witnessed by the generality of the audience of understanding. Published as a warning to all to beware of the said people called Quakers, and their erroneous principles herein also in part discovered.	Horn, John, 1614-1676.	1660 (1660)	Wing H2807; ESTC R221604	29,025	16

I undertake to make you ovvn it But to prove you so It s enough the people see it They are to judg vvhether I make good my charge T.M. Either speak something to purpose or acknovvledg thy mouth stopp'd as it hath often been by the force of the truth G.W. He vvould have me acknovvledg my mouth stopt and yet I speak to them and ansvver them T.M. A man may have his mouth stopt though he speak vvhen he speaks to no purpose A mans mouth his stop'd when he cannot resist the wisdome and povver by vvhich the truth is spoken as Act 6. could not resist though yet they are said Act. 7. to have resisted And it appears thy mo●th is stopt because thou runst avvay from the charge to other imper● things J.H. Well George hither to I have made good my charg That you come not as the true Prophets and Apostles thou hast not been able to prove That any of them preach'd themselves free from sin so as to be without sin Thou didst speak of David confessing another state and brought Psal 107.1 All that is within me bless his holy name and from thence wouldst infer that David had no sin in him then for How could sin bless Gods name but David himself implyes the contrary for vers 3. he sayes Who forgiveth all thine iniquity it seems he had some then G.W. They were for given T.M. It is forgiveth in the present time can there be forgiveness of sin if there be no sin he signifies a dayly forgiving or to such purpose G.W. David saith Psal 119.1 There are some underfiled in the way who do no iniquity J.H. Doth David say There are some undefiled he sayes they are blessed that are so but that there are some so at least in such a sense as to have no sin in them he sayes not I am sure he sayes not so of himself That he had no sin in him but implyes the contrary in vers 5 6. when he sayes O that my wayes were so directed that I might keep thy statutes as implying they were not yet so And again Then shall I not be ashamed when I shall have respect to all thy Commandements he doth not say He had then such respect to them all G.W. Doth not David say there are some undefiled when he sayes blessed are the undefiled in the way and doth not every sin defile therefore he Witnesled some had a sinless state or to that purpose J.H. He sayes undefiled in the way Christ is the way We grant some undefiled and compleat in Christ but not so as to be sinless in themselves Is not undefiled perfect G.W. Yea undefiled is perfect J. H. A man may be perfect in a Scripture sense and yet have sin Asa's heart was perfect with the Lord all his dayes and yet he sinned G.W. When was that written of him J.H. Surely after his death how else should they say what he was all his dayes G.W. Nay it might be written before and so all his dayes till that was written his heart was perfect for afterward he relyed not on the Lord but sought to the Physicians his heart was not perfect then J.H. How could the Hystory of his life and death be written but after his death It is not said all those dayes or till such a time but his heart was perfect all his dayes a part of his dayes is n●t all his dayes his heart was perfect in that he walked not between God and Baal or an● fa●se-wo●ship G.W. He might be perfect all his dayes till then that was written but if the righteous man turn 〈◊〉 his right●o●sness and co●mit miquity his righteousness shall not be mentioned J.H. H●● heart was perfect all his dayes his righteousness is mentioned It is not said 〈◊〉 turned 〈◊〉 being perfect-hearted G.W. He was but one J.H. I● one that had sin in him or sinned might be yet called perfect-hearted then why not tw● o● twenty or an hundred He would sain have been reading in J. H's book but he told him it was besides the b●siness Wh●●● w● were busie in our discourse came Giles Rose a poor deluded man that was one of the ●●st ●hat turned Q●aker in the Town of Lin but upon some account or other doth not throughly ●w● th●m but is est●ded at them and as it hath been said objected sometimes against them some 〈…〉 ●ges between some of their speakers and a woman of them He had made an inter●●p●●on two dayes before of another dispute between G.VV. and another Mi●ster in the Town The people hea●ing him begin at a distance like a kin●e of distracted man to call out and seeing him coming made some commotion some of them crying to have him carryed away that he might not ●ake any dist●●ce o● interruption of the Dispute but that he ●ight proceed and others ●●ging him in and setting him in the midst of us who began first to one party and then to 〈◊〉 to play the part of a Prophet in his conception against us for disp●ting and variance● 〈◊〉 for ●oos●ning the ●●e of love taxing G. VV. and his party for drawing away Wives from them 〈…〉 Children from their Parents Servants from their Masters c. To whome GEORGE spake a word or two ●ebuking his way as deceit T.M. See the 〈…〉 thy ministry George the people laught thy Principles are sur● to lead 〈◊〉 to dest●actions G.W. He is none of ●●e fruit of my Ministry I. A. Your Principles or Ministry led a Brother of mine I am sure into destraction I H. Yes I am a witnesse of that so he fell to my knowledge out of Quaking fits within a very little space into destraction and within a fortnight died G. W. It was before I came to this Towne I. H. But not before yonr Principles and Doctrine came after some time of interruption by the aforesaid Giles when a little quiet was obtained I. H. fell on againe I. H. I have made good my charge against you George as not coming as the true Apostles and Prophets use to do I shall a little speak to the other part in one argument because I see time goes a way 'T is this they that under-mine and destroy the hope of the Gospel preached by the Apostles they are preachers of another Gospel or Doctrine then the Apostles preached and are to be accounted accursed and not received or followed This I charge you Quakers with and you G. W. by name in that you say the coming of Christ at which the dead in Christ are to be raised is already past and over They that so do subvert the hope of the Gospel Mind it people They that say the coming of Christ wherin the dead in Christ are to be raised is past and over they subvert or under-mine the hope of the Gosple for if Christ be come in his glory and the Saints raised that were dead and the living changed and all together caught up in the aire to meete the Lord what

have we then to hope or look for G. W. denying this I. H. read their words out of their Book against him and T. M. their words are thus as for that coming of Christ spoken of in 1 Thess ●4 15 which these men would blindly put a sat off to a coming of Christ in a Body of flesh and bones the Apostle says wee that live and remaine tell the coming of the Lord. So that coming of Christ the Saints that were ●hen a live remained unto it Judge good people is Christ yet come are the dead bodies of the Saints raised and the living changed and all caught up together in the aire to meete him If those men be not such as we are to avoid and account accursed who be G. W. Thou readest out of a book and yet will not give w●y I should read out of thy Book M. H Here is not the same reason He ●s to prove you deceivers and such as are to be accounted accursed or to that purpose and therfore may produce Testimonies out of your books against you but you are not to prove against him but to defend your self J H What host thou to say to this argument G.W. I meant is not of that resurrection of the dead thou speakest of or to that purpose J H. Thou speakest of that coming of Christ mentioned in that Scripture and that Scripture speaks of Christ descending from Heaven to raise the dead in him I shall read it to you 1 Thess 4.13 14 I would not have you ignorant Brethren concerning them that sleept It s evident he speaks of those that sleepe in the bodyly death as it s sayd of St●phen that when he had said those words he fell a sleepe He would not have Beleivers mourne as those without hope concer●ing them For if we beleive sayth he that Jesus died and rose again even so then also that sleepe in Jesus will God bring with him for this we say unto you by the word of the Lord that we which are alive that is those of us of our body or society accounting beleivers of all ages but as one body and remain● to the coming of the Lord shall not revent th● that are a sleepe For the Lord himself shall dese●nd from heaven with a shout and with the vo●ce o● th● Archangel and with the Trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first and we which ●e a live and remaine shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meete the Lord in the ai●e and so shall we ever be with the Lord. What more plaine th●n that he speaks of the co●ng of Christ to raise the dead those that sleepe 〈◊〉 the grave and to change ●e living beleivers 〈◊〉 Now I appeal to you all whither those things were done in the time of those beleiv● before they dyed and if so what have we to ●ope for G. W. There is a twofold sleeping spoken o● there is a sleeping spi●itually or to that purpose such as is spoken of in the next Chapter Let us not sl●epe as do others but let us watch and be ●ober for they that sleepe sleepe in the ●ght and there i● a sleeping such as St●phen is said to fall a ●eepe in at death Now the Apo● there sp●a● of the first J. H. Nay he speak of the sleeped 〈◊〉 death the dead in Christ shall rise first G. W. Is it not sayd the howe is coming and no ●s that the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and th●y that hear shall live John 5.25 J. H. Had not the Apostles and beleive●s heard that voice of 〈◊〉 Son of God raising them from death in sin before the Apostle wrote this or 〈◊〉 they that yet to looke for that in John speaks of men dead in sin and this of the dead in Christ G. W. Is it not sayd of those Th●ssalonian tha● they turned from dumb Idolls to serve the living God and to wayte for his Son from 〈◊〉 could they waite for a thing so far off was it not the revelation of Christ to their Soules or to su●h purpose was his Answer J. H. Had not those Th●ssalen●s a●evelation of christ to their Soules as to the knowledge of him before they turned from their dumb Idols to serve the living God G. W. Nay they had not the revelation of Christ then before they turned from dumb Idols but they waited for it J. H. What was it turned them to God then was not that a frutie of the Gosple coming to them and doth nor the Gospel reveale Christ G. W. Yea there is a measure of the knowledg of Christ which if they be obedient they shall have more as they that obtained like precious Faith with the Apostles that had the sure word of prophesy as a light shining in a dark place did well to take heed to it tell the day dawned and the day Starr arose in the heart when that dawned and arose that was the coming of the day of the Lord. to such purpose was his answer but with more circumstances J. H. Had not the beleivers and cheifly the Apostles beare that further measure of light and revelation of Christ when they thus wrote or what is that to the purpose of this coming spoken in the Text is that with the voice of the Archang●l and the Trump of God and the dead in Christ all raised then and those a sleepe changed that is to one now and to another then and those that are in a living frame may prevent those that are in a sleepy posture such as the Apostle warns us not to be in Therfore that 's nothing to the purpose the Thessalonians had something of that spiritual revelation of Christ as the c●●se of their turning 〈…〉 to serve the living God G. W. There George 〈◊〉 r●n into a long circuling 〈…〉 a●ing the same over and over againe the s●m● of which so f●r as I could perceive was 〈…〉 d●●●●●ent measures of the revelation of the knowledge of Christ and that they that 〈◊〉 the least should have more to the perfect day J. H. Hears nothing but the same things over and over But did the Apostles receive the full revelation of Christ in the time of their live G. W. You ask whither 〈…〉 all the glory they should have before death Or whither they should have no more glory after death T. M. Nay we ask about th● glorious coming of Christ in which the dead shall be raised had they that before they dyed is there no other coming of Christ in glory for them and us to see then what they had or see while they lived Here he wrangled a little about the question and answered nothing to purpose but that they had greater measure before they died but as if they might have more glory after J. H. It s evident that the Apostle Paul did not remaine to that coming of the Lord there spoken of that I shall prove G. W. How do you prove